Ren'Py Completed Valdana: The Fall [v2.00] [Tjord]

[test011]

I'm aware that there's differences in personal tastes, I'm fine with people enjoying other things.
What IS weird is the complete change in direction in the game, whereas you're claiming something like "oh, this is primarily a story, not about sex and such" it WAS befor that. Most of the people I showed the game too when I was enthused described it as something akin to "delicious, gratuitous junk food" with no real story value aside from the sex and corruption. I disagreed with it, but it's not high art.

I mean ok? The base story is finished, the expansion might as well be a separate game. Why would you expect more of the same when pretty much all the dev games touch upon different flavors and vary greatly?

Bringing up another author that's like this also doesn't really change the fact that both ISIS and Valdana had a particular approach to things, whereas this is completely different. You always risk alienating the audience you've already built up if ou suddenly do the complete opposite. I'm happy you like this, but this isn't what the game was before and it's a shame because I liked it before.

Again, ok and? So you are just angry because you wanted more of the same but instead got something else?

EDT:
From what I'm reading here the proponents of the new path mostly:

• Do not like sex or erotica, or find things erotic that do not involve sexuality.
• Would generally prefer to read a sci-fi novel about space battles and statistics. (so why not do that? I doubt you've read all of Heinlein or Zelasny at this point)
• Do not really care about characterisation and have the characters be as flat as possible
• Really want the character to be evil and murder people instead of it being a backdrop used to make the corruption sweeter. (also frankly, murder isn't mature, I'll assume most of you are American where it's more likely to see somebody eviscerated on screen than to see actual mature content.)

You make a lot of assumptions here that honestly show your lack of understanding. I can only speak for myself here but let me explain:

• Would generally prefer to read a sci-fi novel about space battles and statistics. (so why not do that? I doubt you've read all of Heinlein or Zelasny at this point)

Because the main draw of this game for me is not sci-fi universe, space battles or honey select 2 sex scenes. Those are just tools to tell a story that involves fetish i like, mainly corruption and mind control.

• Do not really care about characterisation and have the characters be as flat as possible

You are missing the point of "corruption" completely here. The appeal is that you had complex, morally good characters that have been transformed into evil versions of themselves. THAT'S the appeal, that's the hot part. And dronification or making the characters "flat" is just another flavor of this fetish.

• Really want the character to be evil and murder people instead of it being a backdrop used to make the corruption sweeter.

That's a tool to convey the evilness of the characters, to showcase how their morals have been twisted and corrupted. Its not that I find murder in itself appealing, because i don't. I find character corruption appealing.

 

[RemiliaScarlett]

one regret I have is that the yuria transformation only shows the upper body, would have preferred a slightly wider view so we could see insertion/hips/ass as well :O (also we didn't had the 2nd widow transformation)

 

[flynn1986]

I meant mostly a response to these statements by kzk0987:
Why is it unfair to compare paths?
Why do they think the protagonist is sexual, despite him clearly rejecting it?
Why is diversity (and lack of sexual interest) in the protagonist important in this particular instance?

Those were the weird statements they were making and weren't really explaining. Though they've already expanded upon it in a later post, I see.

I'm aware that there's differences in personal tastes, I'm fine with people enjoying other things.
What IS weird is the complete change in direction in the game, whereas you're claiming something like "oh, this is primarily a story, not about sex and such" it WAS befor that. Most of the people I showed the game too when I was enthused described it as something akin to "delicious, gratuitous junk food" with no real story value aside from the sex and corruption. I disagreed with it, but it's not high art.

Bringing up another author that's like this also doesn't really change the fact that both ISIS and Valdana had a particular approach to things, whereas this is completely different. You always risk alienating the audience you've already built up if ou suddenly do the complete opposite. I'm happy you like this, but this isn't what the game was before and it's a shame because I liked it before.

Also I also thought Tabico stories were incredibly boring generally, from what I recall. i used to read Mcstories voraciously and not a single one of theirs stuck with me. I'm happy you like them though. I'm very aware that tastes differ.
You consistently repeating "some people like that" however, doesn't mean that other people also can't dislike that. Tjord can do what they want, but I'd argue that the new arc is so vastly different and focused on the opposite that it's fine if people don't like it either.
Same way you keep repeating 'yeah but I (let's be honest, you're saying some people but you mean 'I') like it' doesn't mean people can't say 'I don't like it for these and these reasons and I feel frustrated that a game I enjoyed added something completely opposite of what I enjoyed'.

EDT:
From what I'm reading here the proponents of the new path mostly:

• Do not like sex or erotica, or find things erotic that do not involve sexuality.
• Would generally prefer to read a sci-fi novel about space battles and statistics. (so why not do that? I doubt you've read all of Heinlein or Zelasny at this point)
• Do not really care about characterisation and have the characters be as flat as possible
• Really want the character to be evil and murder people instead of it being a backdrop used to make the corruption sweeter. (also frankly, murder isn't mature, I'll assume most of you are American where it's more likely to see somebody eviscerated on screen than to see actual mature content.)

I'm happy you're all happy but these opinions are so incredibly weird to me I'm just going to dip out.

Also MakeMeTea, I'm also ESL (or third in my case) and the fact that you're aware of the term transhumanism and not what a drone is is a strange gap. (but that's ok! people don't know everything.)
Maybe it would be better framed as robotization, but that doesn't roll of the tongue as well. You've probably watched Star Trek, I assume? The Borg turn people into drones. Tech servitors from 40k are droneified. Ants are drones to their queen, for a more natural example.
It's mostly stripping away humanity from someone to make them behave in a drone or robot-like fashion and making the subservient to either a common cause or a specific leader by means of tech. It's characterized by a personality erasure, robotic movements, bodyparts replaced by machines, lack of will and autonomous functionality.
Does that help somewhat?

Bro thinks he's writing a college essay on a porn game piracy site

 

[Anelways]

Seeing the back and forth from everyone here, like both sides(or all sides) of the argument have their merits, and at least the next game whenever it comes in the future will improve and learn from the DLC, whether positive or negative. Surprised a lot of people liked the Widow transformations though.

 

[kzk0987]

Surprised a lot of people liked the Widow transformations though.

I think it's because they're so radically different from every other transformation in the game, and the scenes involving them are so twisted. Leaves a strong impression.

 

[Kaliban]

With fetishes, density of normal/H-content and (corruption) aesthetics, there's no pleasing everyone. I am therefore not surprised new route didn't hit right with everyone. Back when I was making The Dark Lord Rises - my very first game - a surprise gender-bender scene has almost cost me most of my few players. Back then, I've took it too much to heart and the quality of the game (as well as the sequel) suffered for it. Fortunately, I've come to accept this fact and move on. Story takes priority to me, and I am not above introducing some elements others would find not to their taste if it is to plot's benefit.

Now, will "emotionless terminators" now become staple of my stories? No. See, my work process is actually quite strange. 2.0 was not written over the course of four months (I started working on it mid-december). Vast majority of the script was actually written during two weeks around Christmas (basically everything from the start to Audrey's h-scene). It was a flash of inspiration, followed by intense work, until that inspiration wore off as the flaws in the original idea (which at the beginning was basically: make Victorica first one to fall + make her conquer her own planet - inquisitor was justa "means" to get her to that state) became apparent. New MC's "sexlessnes" was obvious to me from the start, hence attempts to introduce justifications for H-content in the plot, which unfortunately turned to be too flimsy. Around time I hit the Cassandra's corruption, those flaws became too much, and my enthusiasm for "drones" cooled off. At that point, I almost dropped the script into the bin - as I actually do with many of my writings (did I ever mention I have 10-15 abandoned projects in Renpy alone? )

Alas, I made a mistake of teasing the update on this forum, so after meandering, playing with AI/Twine/other ideas for two months, I finally buckled up, hit my stride a few weeks ago and managed to finish the game using new corruption as a clutch. Making the last corruption scene was a blast and something I want to do more often in the future, provided I stay on Honey Select 2.

Is 2.0 storyline better than original one? No, I will be first to agree that agree it is not. But it fullfills all the goals I placed before it: it gives previously neglected characters more chance to shine; it offers vastly different experience; finally, it expands the world of "The Fall" series with elements I might return to in the future. So, I'll still label it as a success.

Now, there's one thing I need to apologize for: those shameful typos that I failed to exterminate in the rush. Since Isis, I've learned to put my script at least two times through Google's grammar/spelling checker, but it's apparently not enough. I'll try to work on it more in the future.

I really liked the OG storyline best but I also enjoyed the alternate route for what it was, a different flavor and a different path to explore other options and storylines.

You keep doing you Tjord!

 

[asdasdasdad]

I think you missed one transparency slider for another. Or samira has glass legs.

 

[MakeMeTea]

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I think you missed one transparency slider for another. Or samira has glass legs.

Please, use spoiler for the things like that. It's not another one furry incest sandbox without a plot.

 

[asdasdasdad]

Please, use spoiler for the things like that. It's not another one furry incest sandbox without a plot.

Im sure the girls getting corrupted comes out of left field for a lot of people downloading this game...

Anyway, I finished the DLC. I guess Ill give me thoughts since everyone else is doing that.
I dont mind the different transformations or protagonist or story being about a big war rather than subversion. If you're going to make another route, you might as well actually make it different. Some of it I preferred in the original, some I liked more in the DLC. By having a few smaller games that go into different directions you can experiment more. Whereas if you only make a few big games you might feel pressured to create the ultimate game every time.

The story itself felt like it was more rushed. The twists are a lot more extreme and followed up eachother a lot faster. It also felt less calculated. In the original both sides made long-term plans. Here both sides just cart out new strategies that instantly shift the entire battle. I assume it's because the main story had more planning, while the DLC was written on the fly. I must say I did like how the valadians managed to put up a fight later on, even though early on it seems the MC can just steamroll everyone.

I prefer if the transformations take a longer time time. Part of corruption for me is the buildup, being able to instantly turn a character, noted of being very powerful and smart and patriotic, into a villain that has zero issues destroying her allies, feels cheap. I already had this issue with the original. Girls could be compromised in like 3 days. I accepted it as a necessary concession to keep the story going, but making it even faster makes it even harder to put my personal preferences aside. I mean, took a guy 4 hours to cook the blaze queen, the political and military mastermind, the most powerful woman of venedia.

I think yuria's transformation is well done, it is different and it fits the strongest opponent gets the most thorough transformation.

Overal I think it is a nice addition. I think the DLC nature helps with allowing you to experiment. You dont have to spend time setting up the story (since you just start halfway the base story) so you can get straight to the story.

My personal suggestions for a sequel:
make one transformation take longer (maybe the strongest girl). Like she is super resistant and her brainwashing starts at the start of the story. But it takes the entire story to break her and turn her into a slave. And while that is happening the MC takes down the rest of the girls.
Make more varied transformations. Like the physical combat girl gets turned into an amazon. The timid girl into an outgoing gyaru, the smart girl into a sexy librarian/teacher type.

 

[Addictions]

test011 I think our interactions are retro-actively best summarized this way, since you seem to approach this whole thing disingenuously:

You know for some that's the appeal

Yes, and? What does that have to do with my opinion on it?

 

[RemiliaScarlett]

I think it's because they're so radically different from every other transformation in the game, and the scenes involving them are so twisted. Leaves a strong impression.

for me it was that it was a back to back sequential transformation with visible changes each time (but gradual enough that you could enjoy it) VS the usual 1 shot transformation.

It was also animated and sex on top of being a transformation so it was everything people (or at least I) like rolled up in one scene. Yeah the end result may not be to the liking of everyone (purple skin for instance) but that type of transformation is the most enjoyable IMO (although it is probably so because there arn't any others like it, if every scene was like that then it wouldn't hit that hard).

Also the fact that it was all a single scene is what makes it enjoyable to the max for me (as someone who enjoys other similar content like moniker smith bloodline or my new family where you8 turn people into vampires/demon these usually have the transformation done across several scenes or at least keep changing angles again and again and weirdly enough I prefer when it's all in a single motion/position because you can appreciate the changes that much more)

anyways I hope we see more content like that

 

[kzk0987]

If you may forgive the shameless plug, I wrote a review of the game on my blog. I've been wanting to do that for a while but I wanted the new route to drop first hahaha
If anyone's interested (Contains spoilers, but I also warn before I start giving them):

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I also did a shorter review/rating on the thread proper, would be a pretty assholish thing to review it on my blog and not review it on F95 lol.
In case someone wonders about the discrepancy between the review score there and the rating here in the thread It's just that the review score on my blog is a more analytical take on it while the rating here is how much I recommend it.

for me it was that it was a back to back sequential transformation with visible changes each time (but gradual enough that you could enjoy it) VS the usual 1 shot transformation.

It was also animated and sex on top of being a transformation so it was everything people (or at least I) like rolled up in one scene. Yeah the end result may not be to the liking of everyone (purple skin for instance) but that type of transformation is the most enjoyable IMO (although it is probably so because there arn't any others like it, if every scene was like that then it wouldn't hit that hard).

Also the fact that it was all a single scene is what makes it enjoyable to the max for me (as someone who enjoys other similar content like moniker smith bloodline or my new family where you8 turn people into vampires/demon these usually have the transformation done across several scenes or at least keep changing angles again and again and weirdly enough I prefer when it's all in a single motion/position because you can appreciate the changes that much more)

anyways I hope we see more content like that

Yeah, now that you mention it the changes in physical appearance were definitely a factor in how much I enjoyed that scene. Having subtle changes during the brainwashing leading to a more extreme final change is the gold standard to me, but I understand why few games do it - it's extremely resource-draining to make that many assets. You have to make all those different versions of the character after all. When it's on a single scene like with Yuria it was probably easier (but still likely a chore), but games that try to take the corruption slowly and have the characters slowly change often collapse during development for a reason.

 

[ThaChocobo]

I thought it was awesome, Tjord! I liked the earlier parts and how OP our MC was. Really loving the quick corruption and making the corrupted characters lead against their former allies. The Neo-Terran officer designs are awesome, but was not a big fan of the ending (and yuria/audrey designs). Preference thing, I guess. Still for all feedback what's worth, I hope you mostly just keep doing what you want to do as you stated earlier, because your motivation to write is most important!

 

[Pornxau]

Could someone recommend games like this one? I have also played Isis

 

[laicky]

This is my first reply on the forum because I want to thank Tjord. What a great update! I have been following Tjord from Dark Lord Rises and Record of Asturion War. The plots and the characteristics in these games is intriguing me. Regretfully Tjord couldn't finish those games.

Fortunately, Tjord released the Isis: The Fall and this is the best corruption game to me even though I have played through many of them. (Well, I may be biased since I don't know Japanese much so using limited knowledge of it to played through those Japanese corruption game. Yet, Agent Sirius is so close to beat Isis, so close.) I'm not a person that could write a detailed review. However, the background that the protagonist and the girls in the same closed location, the staged brainwash, strong heroines and those plot twists are checking all the boxes for what I love in a corruption game.

Talking about Isis: The Fall on the post of Valdana: The Fall may seem weird, but the truth is that I could't finish Valdana: The Fall before the update. I don't know what the problem is. Maybe I feel repetitive to the first game? or not enough gyaru? or the heroines are not strong enough, falling too easy? Fortunately, all these problems are solved in the update. Instead of more horny slut, we get a refresh, dronification and demonization?, yet still making them sexier than the original transformation. After removing the "humanity" of those heroines, we can acknowledge that the how strong are those girls really are. Although the brainwashes only have one stage, they are suitable to the story and give me an irreversible feeling. So even though many of you think the original route is better, I enjoyed the alternate route more and of course finished the game contentedly.

Still, there is one wasted potential to me:

Spoiler: Just a shower thought

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At the end, I know Tjord fully aware of this, but I just want to say it agian: Keep doing what you desire, no need to care about other's thought since your vision of corruption is one of the best. But if you use one of my ideas and make an update like Valdana v2.5, I would be in heaven.

 

[ionpop]

I didn't think much of this game at start, and I really don't like the "ugly bastard" MC trope, however the story is interesting and entertaining. The Inquisition puts 'bad' in 'badass'. A few too many plot twists and coincidences for it to feel realistic, even when taking into account the sci-fi nature of the story.

 

[test011]

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Or samira has glass legs.

 

[Igorhgq]

First congratulation for finishing the game!

I am another one that don’t like to comment, mostly because I don’t like internet drama. But I am following Tjord work since Divinion.

Now my thoughts about the new Valdana route:

We all had high expectation leading to disappointment when the game does not match up to what we had hoped would happen, but that is a player problem which only occurred because of the quality of previous works.

The lack of personality is not my cup of tea, but was interesting seen the conquest of Valdana by his own brainwashed queen. Yuria corruption was well executed and I surprising liked her new model. People are different, so is strange if everyone in the universe use the same kind of enslavement and like the same body type.

Tjord you are one of the best western corruption developers (if not the best) and your work is definitively ART so be proud of it.

 

[Engsalt]

Hey Tjord. Been following you since DLR / blogspot days. Damn good games. (I did rage quit the genderbender stuff, but I came back after awhile. Really, it's not so much the gender as the role reversal from predator to prey that really cooled my jets for that game.)

Just wanna post some encouragement as I think the writing's great in the expansion. And I did like the "drone-y" personality because:

The personality of the girls shined through when you look at all three versions: vanilla, Fritz, inquisition. Think there's a line in the expansion musing about the characters' "based material" and how the brainwashing shape the material a certain way. For me, you bothering to figure out the difference between 'based material' and brainwashing really put the game ahead of so many others, even bigger budget production like Kangoku series. Because I can see that "based material" through all three versions, the expansion really enhance the base game for me as well as stood on its own merits. This is really a what-if story at its best.

Also think you're spot on about pleasing everybody's kinks. I strongly dislike the gyaru stuff, and I think corruption is best when it's subtle and physically undetectable. But so what, I can and I do write that in my own fictions. Your writing and your production is good, even good enough I get to enjoy gyaru corruption a lil, and follow your work for ten years. (I think it's almost 15 since the early days of DLR). I think most people just enjoy this quietly and doesn't get too vocal about the one or two thing they dislike, even if they're a major aesthetic aspect or even plot device.

 

[AkaQ]

Congratulations on finishing another game Tjord!
Valdana and ISIS really are the best sci-fi mc/corruption adult novel there is.
I can't express really well how cool the setting of this world is, and all the work put on the story, the characters and the models, renders and the scenes, and even using other games and AI for background scenery.
New beach scene was super sexy, but I still think the game is missing one final orgy with all the girls like we got in ISIS.
Thank you again for another amazing game, another personal favorite of mine. Yoona best girl!

Spoiler: Now I'll have to talk about Route B

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