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Are you saying that the first half of Asturion War, the part without sex, is the good part?!
Legit confused... Maybe you just don't like porn.
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Legit confused... Maybe you just don't like porn.
I like porn I just also like story... if I only wanted porn I would be on pornhub not reading a novel. If the first half of Records had a few sex scenes it would be perfect. My ideal is something like Fate/Stay Night or Game of Thrones which is just a real story but sex scenes where appropriate (and it's frequently appropriate)
I probably should've communicated earlier/better that I was going to update my mod.
Also, if what you liked was the first part of the Records of Austrion War, then the alt. route is much more similar to that.
I should just add this, as its mostly my opinion. I selected Audrey as my most liked character before and after her slave.
But I wished the MC has messed with Yuria alot more when she was in stage 2. It would of been a lot of fun. Then added in more scenes where she starts degrading and fendoming Luke (calling him useless and pathetic) would of been really nice. Feel like she got rushed stage 2 to 3 really quickly. Corrupting a princess who hated your guts should of been a thing you take your time and have your fun. I know whats done, has been done.. But I just wanted to add that. If more scenes of this nature were inlcuded. I would of like that more. Plus I love the concept of a naive princess, sexual innocent girl corrupted into a sadistic dom to her subjects/exlovers. Her rightousness outlook corrupted into twisted/evil version. Thats the good brainwashing stuff
I would of had her take the throne in that state, obviously as the MCs puppet ruler.
But I wished the MC has messed with Yuria alot more when she was in stage 2. It would of been a lot of fun. Then added in more scenes where she starts degrading and fendoming Luke (calling him useless and pathetic) would of been really nice. Feel like she got rushed stage 2 to 3 really quickly. Corrupting a princess who hated your guts should of been a thing you take your time and have your fun. I know whats done, has been done.. But I just wanted to add that. If more scenes of this nature were inlcuded. I would of like that more. Plus I love the concept of a naive princess, sexual innocent girl corrupted into a sadistic dom to her subjects/exlovers. Her rightousness outlook corrupted into twisted/evil version. Thats the good brainwashing stuff
I would of had her take the throne in that state, obviously as the MCs puppet ruler.
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Did you make the game using Honey Select 2? If so can I borrow the character cards?Make frequent backups
This novel is incredible. My opinion will probably be unpopular but I've never really cared for actual sex scenes in Tjord's stories or the whole corruption genre in general. What really gets me is the whole process of transforming your enemies into your loyal and devoted servants and slaves. I am not interested in any body modifications but I find it incredibly arousing when these women betray their friends and family, undermine their own countries, fight and kill their former allies with all their strength and wit all the while wearing new uniforms, saluting you, kneeling before you and finding other ways to show their love, obeisance and subservience to you. Though my ultimate fantasy would be a story in which all these regal, dignified ladies don't turn completely evil and slutty after their corruption but instead stay mostly the same but with undying and absolute love and devotion to their new master and his cause which trumps everything. So their could be scenes in which they confront their former lovers or friends and say things like: "It saddens me you were unable to grasp the greatness of our Lord and decided to fight until the bitter end because now I have to kill you" - and similar stuff. And they would be truly sad for a moment but still betray and kill anyone without any hesitation an ultimately be happy because their master is happy. Just think such cognitive dissonance would be hot as hell. Sadly, I've never read such a story...
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- May 3, 2018
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Mainly because the transformation and visual aspect actually make it easier to showcase the changes and contrast between their old and new selves. Western Porn and Japanese Hentai games that focus on corruption like Tjord's stuff often necessitate it as a requirement in a way, as if its just the whole plot/change of character you wanted, then any visual scenes would appear as if it was just normal porn masquerading as the kink and genre.
The games that do what you want are often just text novels at most, with barely any CG or Art because a huge part of the latter is how it'll garner attention to what you're making as a developer and because first and foremost, it's a porn game/vn. The main selling point is the porn itself, not usually the plot or the lore and worldbuilding. I'm a plot/worldbuilding enthusiast myself, but even I know seeking that as the main point in these types would be somewhat boggling, as devs often try to balance or highlight both sides, but often become more lacking in either upon further scrutiny,
Though I suppose Record of Asturion War would fit your tastes more as you can toggle the transformations on and off, but that's just a visual sprite thing. The events and scenes happen regardless. I do agree on the whole new uniforms, etc stuff as the Alternate Route did this well...just that the path to get there was flawed. Personally, if there is a third game in the series (If it follows the Kangoku Senkan/Prison Battleship formula of first game being the ship, second game being a planet, then the third being another one) though Valdana seems to be inspired from both 2 and 3, I'd like to see visors and uniforms as more prominent, but NOT the Inquisitor as the protagonist as he just doesn't fit the role at all.
If it's more of the bimbofication/transformation stuff, would like to see Dario (Isis MC) and his crew return.
- Dec 18, 2019
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I've always wanted this cold, tactical villain. Corruption doesn't always have to be all full blown sex, it just feels nice to destroy and bring down someone from their high horse (in a slow and precise way, which screams hopelessness).
In a sense this is a part archetype of the 4th prince in Asturion record of war (IMO his best game).
In a sense this is a part archetype of the 4th prince in Asturion record of war (IMO his best game).
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- May 3, 2018
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I can see that, though pretty sure Bosun wasn't quite cold and tactical. Filled with resentment and vengeance yeah, but for the most part the transformations are fueled half by the girls' wants to please him but also his own preferences. Like in that one what if timeline where he didn't go the Part 2 path, he's capable of good, it just needed someone to not judge him by appearance alone and it clearly seemed to be a timeline where he's happier. Now that's well written, showing how changes in circumstances or social relationships can in part change the entire trajectory of the future. It's also why I kept looking at Jethro, man was clearly sus and going to backstab (or in his view, put Bosus away from those harlots that mean harm). Then again was also expecting him to get genderbended somehow and join in. Like my profile pic, I just shrug in the end.
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For me both sides are equally important, I like corruption into more overt evil and sluttiness. But I agree that the core aspect of betrayal of trust between the heroines is something that is very important to stories like this and something that is often ignored in games in the genre.
Would probably not happen. No media would make these kind of stories and have the bad guy win if not for sexual content. If you've already made the effort to make the story, the world and everything, why not capture a bigger audience.
I think it's due to how these games have the heroines ntr their partner post corruption. Betraying their partner is more spicy than betraying their friends.
Personally, I mostly dislike the betrayal aspect in these games. Some games have a female partner to start with, but it's less fun when you have a willing participant when part of the fun is that the girls are unwilling.
- May 3, 2018
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Now that the thread has calmed down somewhat, I thought I'd return to this.With fetishes, density of normal/H-content and (corruption) aesthetics, there's no pleasing everyone. I am therefore not surprised new route didn't hit right with everyone. Back when I was making The Dark Lord Rises - my very first game - a surprise gender-bender scene has almost cost me most of my few players. Back then, I've took it too much to heart and the quality of the game (as well as the sequel) suffered for it. Fortunately, I've come to accept this fact and move on. Story takes priority to me, and I am not above introducing some elements others would find not to their taste if it is to plot's benefit.
Now, will "emotionless terminators" now become staple of my stories? No. See, my work process is actually quite strange. 2.0 was not written over the course of four months (I started working on it mid-december). Vast majority of the script was actually written during two weeks around Christmas (basically everything from the start to Audrey's h-scene). It was a flash of inspiration, followed by intense work, until that inspiration wore off as the flaws in the original idea (which at the beginning was basically: make Victorica first one to fall + make her conquer her own planet - inquisitor was justa "means" to get her to that state) became apparent. New MC's "sexlessnes" was obvious to me from the start, hence attempts to introduce justifications for H-content in the plot, which unfortunately turned to be too flimsy. Around time I hit the Cassandra's corruption, those flaws became too much, and my enthusiasm for "drones" cooled off. At that point, I almost dropped the script into the bin - as I actually do with many of my writings (did I ever mention I have 10-15 abandoned projects in Renpy alone?
Alas, I made a mistake
Is 2.0 storyline better than original one? No, I will be first to agree that agree it is not. But it fullfills all the goals I placed before it: it gives previously neglected characters more chance to shine; it offers vastly different experience; finally, it expands the world of "The Fall" series with elements I might return to in the future. So, I'll still label it as a success.
Now, there's one thing I need to apologize for: those shameful typos that I failed to exterminate in the rush. Since Isis, I've learned to put my script at least two times through Google's grammar/spelling checker, but it's apparently not enough. I'll try to work on it more in the future.
I want to say that I appreciate and respect the content you've provided and your ability to carry through on a project is impressive. It's something I admire and hope to be able to replicate someday. I'm also happy that the extension has been made at all.
I'll refrain from reiterating my issues with the new addition, since people seem to get really upset about criticism, but the addition of an entire alternate path is an incredible addition, especially for free. I'll offer an apology for my immediate criticism of the path on the day of launch, in hindsight that must have been dispiriting. I was just really happy to try and it and still in my commenatry mood, but I can't imagine that reaction could have been pleasant. Doesn't mean I don't stand by it, but know that I also appreciate the work you put into it and that morale is important.
Despite how some people here seem to have taken it, it won't dissuade me from your future projects and I appreciate you putting story over sex scene.
It's even more impressive that you managed to buoy yourself through a project you had completely lost interest in yourself. Do you find that social expectations or promises help you in creating or are they more of an extra anxiety to maintain a reputation? I could definitely tell that you enjoyed the last transformation scene more than any of the previous ones and it shows. It is by far the best and most enthousiastic part of the new path (even though the visual outcome does nothing for me).
That's about all I wanted to say, I felt I should acknowledge the work you put into this and that my immediate feedback might have been too harsh fora first and quick review. I'm also sorry for poluting the thread by responding to the upset people.
know that I'm still a big fan of both Isis and Valdana so far, and should try and donate by purchasing the game.
If there's anything I can do to help your creative process along, let me know!
- Sep 18, 2017
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Excessive criticism or very one-sided suggestions can derail my projects, Asturion War being an example of this happening. That being said, I learned simply to shut up, work in silence and release a finished product before anyone can influence me. I generally write what I like (at the moment), disregarding popular appeal or my "reputation". So my next game might have completely different fetishes at the center, or even be another wholesome "everyman PC fucks his landlady and totally-not-sisters" kind of game.
I do enjoy reading discussion on my games very much though, as well as all reviews. Just recently I noticed some madman started translating Valdana into Korean - and I have to say, learning of this did boost my motivation to produce another game in The Fall universe.
- Jan 10, 2018
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Could be fun to try create a story with different perspective to break the monotony. Female slaver hunter seeing her allies get sneakily converted? Or maybe perspective switch mid game like in Records. Rogue 3rd side/independent protagonist? And stuff alike, either way I look forward to your next project, whatever it might be.
I don't know if i am allowed to ask this here, but i have played all of Tjords games does anyone have any recommendations of games related to this type of corruption?
- May 23, 2022
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I don't believe there are good examples of games like Tjord's style in the west. I wish we had more adult games that we played as a villain subjugating society by evil means. We had this kind of discussion here back in January, you might wanna read that.
I also have a little list of games I like and usually recommend with mind control/corruption in general:
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Agreed. I liked the game still but also felt a lot of untapped potential in humiliation during the acts of netori, as well as exploring how the princess turns from hating MC's guts to becoming a mindless slave to him. The game just skips the process too much.I should just add this, as its mostly my opinion. I selected Audrey as my most liked character before and after her slave.
But I wished the MC has messed with Yuria alot more when she was in stage 2. It would of been a lot of fun. Then added in more scenes where she starts degrading and fendoming Luke (calling him useless and pathetic) would of been really nice. Feel like she got rushed stage 2 to 3 really quickly. Corrupting a princess who hated your guts should of been a thing you take your time and have your fun. I know whats done, has been done.. But I just wanted to add that. If more scenes of this nature were inlcuded. I would of like that more. Plus I love the concept of a naive princess, sexual innocent girl corrupted into a sadistic dom to her subjects/exlovers. Her rightousness outlook corrupted into twisted/evil version. Thats the good brainwashing stuff
Also maybe I'm in the minority but other than Yoona I much prefer how the girls look pre-transformation. Though at least it's better than ISIS where the girls skin colour change to dark, which I'm not a fan of.