On the topic of QoS, bleached content has always been harder to come by and with rightful ownership being sadly abandoned, I'd argue that there would never be a better moment for more bleached projects to appear.
- Thread starter Tjord
- Start date
- Dec 18, 2019
- 97
- 259
Yeah, this is a good game, I'm still hopeful for the dev's return.
Out of curiosity, are you not very into corruption and here more for the mind control element? Because honestly I fail to see any appeal in a "reverse corruption" scenario. Turning evil women into more righteous figures doesn't have the same zing as making someone innocent or just into a depraved and twisted version of herself.
But if you're only concerned with the mind control, the altering of the mind and it doesn't matter which way it goes, then I sort of get it. I'm also into mind control but I lean more strongly towards corruption (my favorite erotic media marries the two, using mind control as a tool for corruption).
I get it in the sense of "I see your potential and I will MAKE it shine", and there are games like Pink Tea's Together Again/ Slave of passion where you take a shell of a person who is about to kill themselves and you can turn them into a full person, with the routine of their submission helping to ground them. there is also this story (534643) on nhentai which is a reverse corruption story in the vein of what I think Rosen was talking about.
I think you might be right that I love mind control over corruption, even though they are often linked. On a certain level I just kinda feel bad with corruption, like when I'm done I feel bad that I took this person, made their life solely devoted to me and then (I know this isn't the case with tjord's writing but there have been corruption games that did do this) Have them fuck others at my command or even worse, sell them away to someone. Like if you completely overwrite someone's will and make them serve you you should at least have the decency to honor that servitude in some way you know. (I am fully aware of the fact that I just used "decency" and "honor" in a discussion about corruption and mind control)
There's more to "corruption" than just ruining someone. It's about twisting them into a sexier version of themselves that's willing to do things they would have normally rejected. If the before-and-after pictures show a conservatively-dressed woman with a serious expression turning into a sexy seductress with "come fuck me" eyes, that's a form of corruption even if she's not evil.
In the "consensual corruption" example I mentioned in my deleted post, I described a scenario where the protagonist would have come into possession of some dark, corrupting force that grants power to those it "infects" while making them his slaves. But instead of being a villain, he recruits willing volunteers to accept his powers and fight against an evil facing the world. Imagine a girl who wants to fight to protect her village, so she surrenders herself to him to become a "dark knight". As she taps into more of her power, it gradually corrupts her with the pleasures of serving her dark master. She begins acting more confident, dressing more sexily, and growing closer to her master and more accepting of her role as his obedient slave. And all the while she's still fighting to defend her home, smirking as she tells her enemies that the village is under the protection of the Dark Lord, and harming innocents is an act of defiance against him.
One of the "reverse corruption" examples involved lesbian magical girls using their powers to forcefully convert a villain to their team. Imagine a group of sexy, seductive magical girls with a twisted sense of morality where "love and friendship" is intertwined with "seduction and horny lesbian sex", and they have no qualms about converting enemies against their will. (Maybe the founding member of the team was corrupted by a succubus, but then used her combined corruption/love-love powers to convert the succubus who attacked her, and they formed a growing team of magical girl succubi together.) At one point they confront a recurring villain, but then reveal that the villain's teammate is the newest member of their team. The villain tries to reach out to her former friend and remind her what they were fighting for, but the brainwashed friend insists she's happier and will make her friend happy too. It's the classic "hero fighting her brainwashed friend" scenario but with the roles reversed, and leans into all the same tropes as the new "heroine" corrupts her friend. The other heroes hold down the defeated villain and plant kisses all over her body, as the former friend pleasures her and pours her corrupting energy into her, promising to love her forever and heal her broken heart. The (formerly straight) villain is overwhelmed by pleasure and stops resisting the corruption as it converts her into a lesbian "hero" of love and pleasure.
So while it's true that I'm mainly in it for the mind control, it's not like I don't like "corruption". But there are ways to play into some of the tropes of corruption without having them lead to a "bad ending".
considering that most cases of "corruption" on this website can be classed as either sexual awakening or just promiscuity upped to 9000, one has to wonder where you are getting the examples of "bad endings" of the top of my head only the game corruption (one dimensional and rough around the edges it might be), Tjords games, Star Knightess Aura are the only ones who actully deliver it as main focus of their content rather than just an ending slide.
that said you are correct that "consensual corruption" (not sure I like the term but is what it is) is bitterly underserved and verry hard to find, tough generly as you have implied if one is willing to delve the Magical girl genera, they come closest to that and even then it's a needle in a haystack scenario.
In regards to "reverse corruption" the term is purification, I know it's rarely brought up as a natural consequence of the rarity of the fetish it's self, but let's not create redundant terminology here, it' already hard to find the things one likes. This does remind me of a doujin? I saw eons ago of all things I think Viper GTS (the anime not the car) purification, quite literally it comes closest to what you describe, from very faulty memory, basically futa devil girls eventually get purified into angels (can't remember if they lose the dick in the process thought) all "rejoicing in God's love". So it is out there just verry verry rare.
Yeah it still doesn't do much for me. In the end I like the "being evil" aspect of it, I guess. I could probably enjoy a game with the scenarios you propose but it wouldn't top a corruption into either evil or mindless lust in my preference.
It's hard for me to articulate because to me the concept of twisting the character into a sexier version of themselves is deeply tied with removing moral constraints that "good" or at least "lawful" aligned characters have. It's a bias, but I think I'm onto something when almost every corruption I've seen takes this route.
Also, purification or reverse-corruption even when done through sex and mind control tends to not include one of the most important parts to me: the unconditional, obsessive servitude. The slavery part. That tinge of insanity that comes with becoming devoted to being a sexual plaything. Usually, when the characters are being changed from evil to good they become more free. Consensual corruption isn't usually my thing, even if the end result is still becoming a lewder version. As a mind control fetishist I do like the aspect of agency being taken away, after all, though I find mindbreak and other means acceptable as well even if nowhere as hot as mind control.
I recently played a game (Dennou Senki Refine Knights, it's only available in Japanese) that while not being mind control related (it's corruption through sexual training and Pavlovian conditioning) has the heroines go from this
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content.
Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content.
Log in or register now.
I don't think that's a requirement or even that common with corruption. Most of the corruption titles I've played have the girls kept as exclusive. And while I don't like whoring out the girls, ironically I don't have a problem with throwing them away, which is arguably the worst of the two. Turning the girls into sex objects to the extent that they can be discarded when the protagonist grows bored of them just furthers how dehumanized the whole process was. I... Don't feel bad honestly. Seeing the targets completely twisted and destroyed is what I'm going in for.
That said, I do prefer when the protagonist keeps the girls as his exclusive harem. It's just more satisfying.
- Dec 18, 2019
- 97
- 259
Yeah, i like kzk0987 analysis.
I do also think corruption is just more chaotic and dyonisian in nature, while purification is more about bringing order from chaos (hence apollonian). You can't really equate the two since some element might not be applicable in one scenario vice versa.
there's beauty in both, sure. But for me I prefer corruption more. Maybe because society right now is very orderly and as a very orderly person irl myself, i think i prefer to enjoy (and have this fetish / fantasy of) corruption more rather than seeing the typical apollonian stuff both in life and in fantasy. Hope that make sense.
I do also think corruption is just more chaotic and dyonisian in nature, while purification is more about bringing order from chaos (hence apollonian). You can't really equate the two since some element might not be applicable in one scenario vice versa.
there's beauty in both, sure. But for me I prefer corruption more. Maybe because society right now is very orderly and as a very orderly person irl myself, i think i prefer to enjoy (and have this fetish / fantasy of) corruption more rather than seeing the typical apollonian stuff both in life and in fantasy. Hope that make sense.
The "corruption" tag on this site is actually used for something very different from what it's typically used for on other porn sites, and I've pointed out before that this site actually lacks a proper tag for that type of corruption. As Tjord mentioned on an earlier post, the type of corruption being used in this game is known in Japan as "Akuochi" (or in some cases "Yamiochi", and other similar "ochi"s), which is its own fetish/genre and is way more common than you're giving it credit for. The "akuochi" tag on Pixiv has 46,000 results, and another 7,000 for "yamiochi". It's just that it's hard to find on this website for the aforementioned tagging issues.
I'm not talking about Purification, though. That's just anti-corruption. I'm talking about Corruption, but being applied in reverse. And yes, the devotion to the one who corrupted them is a key part of that, which is why just plain purification doesn't fit the right niche at all.
It's not any harder than writing proper corruption in the first place. Like I said, I've seen written erotica that does it well, but there's a big issue with homogenization in a lot of other porn spaces.
But honestly, there's no point arguing it here. This is why I deleted my initial post in the first place.
Last edited:
Akuochi is not the only kind of corruption. Moral Degeneration also falls under that umbrella. Which is arguably what most games here on F95 are gunning for (whether most succeed is up for debate honestly). That said I do agree F95 has a tagging issue when it comes to corruption games, with lots not having even the softest kind. A character does something that's immoral? Slap the corruption tag on it! It's frustrating. And I don't think there's a solution. Dismembering the Corruption tag into "Falling to Evil" and "Sexual Corruption" (or Moral Degeneration) like VNDB does would help distinguish between genres but wouldn't stop the mistagging of games that have little to no corruption elements as corruption.
Anyway, what you describe as reverse corruption still sounds hard to pull it off from a writing standpoint. If you have any examples of that written erotica I'd like to give it a read and to see how they do it, I'm genuinely curious.
But yeah, we've been off-topic for long enough I think. I've also shared the points I wanted to share. I think I'll bow out.
But I must say, don't worry so much about discussing things dude. We're just arguing for fun, as far as I can tell no one is upset over these opinions. Don't take these disagreements as me or any other person here trying to force our views on you, just like you're not trying to force yours on us. For my part at least, I have fun discussing differing points of view on these topics.
I like to think that me meming about BBC and QOS tropes somehow started this debate. Also, i'm on team moral degeneration :^)
I can think of one:
You must be registered to see the links
.It's the third part of a series of mind control massage parlour games.
The story is the main character turning a loose, slutty whore of a gyaru, into a pure hearted, loving girlfriend (if that wasn't clear from the title), using hypnosis/brainwashing.
In my opinion, it's done very well for such an uncommon setup.
Rosen King
Really looking forward to the next game. This is one of my favorite adult games that I've played. Especially among western games.
- Dec 18, 2019
- 97
- 259
Definitely nice to hear that! Feedback and positivity is so important to keep the momentum going (even though I haven't released anything yet! haha.). I don't want to derail this thread with something unrelated but I'm thinking that I should be able to get this game out by next weekend, but it could be as early as this weekend if I'm productive enough. Chapter 1 is done. I just need to go through and iron out some continuity stuff.
Happy to talk more about this but discord or message would be better if anyone is curious
Here's my itch page if anyone is interested:
You must be registered to see the links
That was the alternative route added months after release. Never really occurred to me that it does get in the way of roleplay a bit because I always kept the main character's default name, you're right.
Just to be sure, you did play the original route, right? Where the archbishop doesn't die and the game keeps following him. That's the best route to me.
EDIT: Just to add, maybe it's just because I was around since the original release but the inquisition route, especially since the choice at the route split explicitly labels it as an alternative path, always felt more like bonus content than anything. A DLC of sorts.
- Dec 18, 2019
- 97
- 259
everyday, there are new game-changing AI tooling being dropped freely:
-
-
geez XD.
also flux now has 1.1 pro ultra.
-
You must be registered to see the links
(an extremely accurate Portrait Animation)-
You must be registered to see the links
(generate consistent aicg without LoRA)geez XD.
also flux now has 1.1 pro ultra.
Last edited:
Wonder if things are still on track for an early December release as per the estimate from a few months ago
- Sep 18, 2017
- 189
- 864
No. Make it "early 2025" for now.