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it's incredibly misogynistic and that's why its hot
Yes the game and us playing is misogynistic, but and I know I'm splitting hairs here; Isn't the MC committing these acts out of hate, anger and revenge? Or are you saying the WAY he's avenging himself and his father misogynistic?
 

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Yes the game and us playing is misogynistic, but and I know I'm splitting hairs here; Isn't the MC committing these acts out of hate, anger and revenge? Or are you saying the WAY he's avenging himself and his father misogynistic?
Bro its a porn game. One in which you drug girls and make them compliant to your whims by dicking them really hard and blackmailing them. MC constantly calls girls whores, sluts, thots, bitches, etc.

99% of porn games are misogynistic. Even feel good haremtopoia like WVM is misogynistic. These girls are non functional without the MC in their lives. They derive their entire self worth from being associated with MC. Female protagonist games are misogynistic because most of them are about idiots that want to get raped. Incest games are misogynistic because it views the family as some kind of prize to be conquered. Romance games are misogynistic because supermodel looking perfect girls will somehow fall for this absolutely useless MC with no redeeming qualities.

It's just porn. We fap to it. Feel good. Then feel a bit bad for wasting our time. And move on.
 

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Bro its a porn game. One in which you drug girls and make them compliant to your whims by dicking them really hard and blackmailing them. MC constantly calls girls whores, sluts, thots, bitches, etc.

99% of porn games are misogynistic. Even feel good haremtopoia like WVM is misogynistic. These girls are non functional without the MC in their lives. They derive their entire self worth from being associated with MC. Female protagonist games are misogynistic because most of them are about idiots that want to get raped. Incest games are misogynistic because it views the family as some kind of prize to be conquered. Romance games are misogynistic because supermodel looking perfect girls will somehow fall for this absolutely useless MC with no redeeming qualities.

It's just porn. We fap to it. Feel good. Then feel a bit bad for wasting our time. And move on.
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Oh I Wholly agree with each and every point! I was just wondering in this instance whether the MC's MOTIVE of revenge was misogynistic. You know have a conversation, discuss, debate (till the moderator nukes the conversation thou that's not what I'm looking for) It was a though I had "is the MCs revenge motive misogynistic" I'm not swimming in denial. I know the game, us playing the games, the attitudes on, in and about the game and the girls, the acts in game, the story, and behavior in game are misogynistic.
 

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Oh I Wholly agree with each and every point! I was just wondering in this instance whether the MC's MOTIVE of revenge was misogynistic. You know have a conversation, discuss, debate (till the moderator nukes the conversation thou that's not what I'm looking for) It was a though I had "is the MCs revenge motive misogynistic" I'm not swimming in denial. I know the game, us playing the games, the attitudes on, in and about the game and the girls, the acts in game, the story, and behavior in game are misogynistic.
His objective is revenge, but the things he does to get there are obviously misogynistic and downright crimial. The thing is, this is a fictional world where none of our notion of common sense and reality applies. You need to look at things from within the context of the fictional world being presented.

In a more broader context, you need to separate fiction from reality. Playing misogynistic games does not mean you are misogynistic. I love male dom and all manner of degrading women in my porn. Do I view/treat women in my life like that? No. I also like NTR. Do I want to get cucked? No. I like incest. Do I want to bang my mom? Eww.
 

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His objective is revenge, but the things he does to get there are obviously misogynistic and downright crimial. The thing is, this is a fictional world where none of our notion of common sense and reality applies. You need to look at things from within the context of the fictional world being presented.

In a more broader context, you need to separate fiction from reality. Playing misogynistic games does not mean you are misogynistic. I love male dom and all manner of degrading women in my porn. Do I view/treat women in my life like that? No. I also like NTR. Do I want to get cucked? No. I like incest. Do I want to bang my mom? Eww.
:ROFLMAO: I'm not THAT divorced from reality. I know it's just fiction and just a game, I'm just BORED! This is purely a thought experiment for lack of a better term. I don't thing I'm misogynistic but I feel like it sometime and worry I'm an fucken loser incel, but then my two adorable nieces who I'm helping my sister raise come banging on my door asking for help with my ailing mother. Am I right in thinking that the description of incels is: consume massive amounts of questionable porn, hate women and blame women for their failures, right? I don't fit that description, I consume a massive amount of porn, yes sometime questionable porn, I love women and respect them greatly, and I have only myself to blame for my failures.

But back to the games MC... It's difficult for me to see the acts of revenge he commits as misogynistic. I mean the misogynistic stuff and acts are there with the succubus, the narcoleptic track star, the BESTGIRL Dojo Tomboy, the rich girl looking for her family and the next door neighbor. But for FUCKEN Benedict Arnold CUNT Mother who flaked out and abandoned her son to that hell he lived, the TWAT ASSHOLE step-sister who lived the high life in a loving family with the cunt mother begrudging the abandoned Son, the little SLUT SHIT STAIN daughter of the principle by one her association and two because she's deserves it, AND FINALLY THE SHIT EATING BITCH WHORE Principle who set up the father, destroyed the MCs family, life, future and sent him to hell. I know, I know it's a lot of hate on my part. I'll be the first to admit I have got betrayal and abandonment issues. So I feel for the MC. Which is why I feel the means justifies the end and his acts are not misogynistic but vengeance.

BUT THAT'S JUST ME. Which is why I wanted to see what other who love this game as I do think. Just looking for friendly, and I have to emphasis FRIENDLY, conversation.
 

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But back to the games MC... It's difficult for me to see the acts of revenge he commits as misogynistic. I mean the misogynistic stuff and acts are there with the succubus, the narcoleptic track star, the BESTGIRL Dojo Tomboy, the rich girl looking for her family and the next door neighbor. But for FUCKEN Benedict Arnold CUNT Mother who flaked out and abandoned her son to that hell he lived, the TWAT ASSHOLE step-sister who lived the high life in a loving family with the cunt mother begrudging the abandoned Son, the little SLUT SHIT STAIN daughter of the principle by one her association and two because she's deserves it, AND FINALLY THE SHIT EATING BITCH WHORE Principle who set up the father, destroyed the MCs family, life, future and sent him to hell. I know, I know it's a lot of hate on my part. I'll be the first to admit I have got betrayal and abandonment issues. So I feel for the MC. Which is why I feel the means justifies the end and his acts are not misogynistic but vengeance.
Maybe in the context of the game, yea. That's why I said that things in a fictional setting must be viewed within that context. I honestly hope there aren't people out there that feels wronged by some women and decides that raping them is a reasonable course of action for their vengeance lol. However, we know when playing these games that these characters are not real. There is no harm being done. The characters are also convenient porn tropes that enjoys being raped and even fall in love afterwards. This is the kind of setting the MC is in and the kind of people he is dealing with. So in his quest for revenge, he needs to fuck some bitches to get them on his side and that's just an honest day's work.
 

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well isn't this game about revenge and personal justice? Aren't the acts of our MC those of retribution and act to reclaim what is his?
What revenge has the MC actually done as of yet though. Literally every one of his targets for revenge, he falls in love with. I know this is supposed to be about revenge, but the Dev lost sight of that LONG ago...this is more of a love story then revenge
 

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Maybe in the context of the game, yea. That's why I said that things in a fictional setting must be viewed within that context. I honestly hope there aren't people out there that feels wronged by some women and decides that raping them is a reasonable course of action for their vengeance lol. However, we know when playing these games that these characters are not real. There is no harm being done. The characters are also convenient porn tropes that enjoys being raped and even fall in love afterwards. This is the kind of setting the MC is in and the kind of people he is dealing with. So in his quest for revenge, he needs to fuck some bitches to get them on his side and that's just an honest day's work.
Dude... I hate to break it to you but... some assholes to do that. Revenge porn comes to mind. It's a dark dark world out there. If some writer, mangaka or game maker can think up some horrible scenario then you better believe zeitgeist of the world and some rich prick has thought it up and/or seen it and has done it. Human trafficking is a multi billion dollar business and even here in the west it's a booming and thriving business. But back to the revenge rape... it's not reported much but you know some testosterone full high school teen line backer, 3rd baseman or lineman who got slighted by some cheerleader has done it. The comes to mind or those that case was "just" rape and not revenge driven...

But I digress and this is not about social issues that will NEVER go away. IT'S ABOUT 3D TATAS! *cough* sorry wanted to change the mood... In the context tof the game... yeah ok I see your point but I can't let it go.

What revenge has the MC actually done as of yet though. Literally every one of his targets for revenge, he falls in love with. I know this is supposed to be about revenge, but the Dev lost sight of that LONG ago...this is more of a love story then revenge
I'll be honest... I haven't had the change to play the update yet. I KNOW, I know, it's just the mood has not hit me yet so I don't know what the current story is but from the last update other then the daughter and the step sister; It's obvious he still holds a deep grudge against his ma. I mean he want to make her pick up her porn actress career to humiliate and destroy her, right? He might like the reporter girl but it's obvious he's gonna break her and ruin her life. And as far as I can see, him having hate sex with that SHIT EATING BITCH WHORE principle doesn't mean he likes her one bit. She's going down and he's getting his fathers school back.
 

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Was the Takamura option here removed? The second options says the Karma system is WIP and is to be implemented in a future version. I remember being able to call Takamura under the pretense of "playing" and she beats up the guys. Running Lain's mod btw

Or am I misremembering and there are 2 thug train scenes?
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Dude... I hate to break it to you but... some assholes to do that. Revenge porn comes to mind. It's a dark dark world out there. If some writer, mangaka or game maker can think up some horrible scenario then you better believe zeitgeist of the world and some rich prick has thought it up and/or seen it and has done it. Human trafficking is a multi billion dollar business and even here in the west it's a booming and thriving business. But back to the revenge rape... it's not reported much but you know some testosterone full high school teen line backer, 3rd baseman or lineman who got slighted by some cheerleader has done it. The comes to mind or those that case was "just" rape and not revenge driven...
Well that's no different than revenge murder. It's a criminal act. It goes beyond misogyny. In the real world, there are repercussions and the victims are definitely not gonna be like "oh golly jee, I just got raped but it felt so good!"

I was alluding more to the average joe who might be contemplating their ethics when dealing with questionable consumption of porn. It's just not healthy nor is it correct to define yourself based on your porn fetishes. If someone starts to actually view women like some porn tropes that owe them something because they were "nice," now that is an incel and they should take a hard look at themselves.

So yes, the MC in this game is a misogynist, not to mention a rapist if we apply real world morals. Within the game's setting, that seems to be no big deal. If you enjoy degrading women in porn games, you essentially have a male dom fetish. It's a fetish just like incest and whatever horrifying tags you can find. And no, it doesn't reflect on you as a person unless you let things seep into your psyche and affect your relationships in real life.
 
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Well that's no different than revenge murder. It's a criminal act. It goes beyond misogyny. In the real world, there are repercussions and the victims are definitely not gonna be like "oh golly jee, I just got raped but it felt so good!"

I was alluding more to the average joe who might be contemplating their ethics when dealing with questionable consumption of porn. It's just not healthy nor is it correct to define yourself based on your porn fetishes. If someone starts to actually view women like some porn tropes that owe them something because they were "nice," now that is an incel and they should take a hard look at themselves.

So yes, the MC in this game is a misogynist, not to mention a rapist if we apply real world morals. Within the game's setting, that seems to be no big deal. If you enjoy degrading women in porn games, you essentially have a male dom fetish. It's a fetish just like incest and whatever horrifying tags you can find. And no, it doesn't reflect on you as a person unless you let things seep into your psyche and affect your relationships in real life.
Yeah... that would be fucked up... personally I have real concern for people men and women who have fetishes where they are raped. The whole masochist thing really. I mean I don't condemn them. EVERYONE has the right to their own thing. I just... it's concerning. Man let's move on I'm at fault for making this so dark so... yeahhhh on the victim aspect of it all it's tragic in real life.

Porn has destroyed the idea, the reality of sex. It's not this easy thing. It's hot (tem), sticky, sweaty, wet with weird and disgusting noises. Most pornos leave out the quiffs and fart. Most pornos are divorced from reality. Now those are some fantasies. Granted I'm a huge support of porn. Studies have show that Porn reduces sex crimes I'm not gonna pin a link here, if anyone is curious just duckduckgo it. But again porn has it's down side, Incels for one and the herbivore culture originating in Japan. Oh porn has also caused the death of chauvinism, gone are the glory day when you could slap a girl on the ass say "go get me a coffee, Doll" I kid.

LOL dude, the justice system would collapse, society would be in an uproar and the Radical Feminist Movement would have a field day passing laws making men second class citizens, castrating, caging and sissifying the the vast majority of men on the planet with dicks under 12". THANK GOD THERE ARE NO THOUGHT POLICE... yet

But in the end it's all about perspective really.

Now I'm gonna go clear my throat.
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Was the Takamura option here removed? The second options says the Karma system is WIP and is to be implemented in a future version. I remember being able to call Takamura under the pretense of "playing" and she beats up the guys. Running Lain's mod btw

Or am I misremembering and there are 2 thug train scenes?
There's two. One is saving Minami. The other is when Takamura asks people to come to her Dojo to help restore it and you reject. But then on the way home, you run into these guys and call her to come pick you up.
 
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Was the Takamura option here removed? The second options says the Karma system is WIP and is to be implemented in a future version. I remember being able to call Takamura under the pretense of "playing" and she beats up the guys. Running Lain's mod btw

Or am I misremembering and there are 2 thug train scenes?
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yeah, this whole low-karma choice thing on the train is starting to get on my nerves...what's the point if there are no consequences/new scenes that become available based on the choice?

n for anyone that has already gotten thru the 2nd train scene, i'm confused again (i know, no surprise there). i know the karma system hasn't been put in place yet, but aren't there at least low-karma scenes that should be unlocked by making low-karma choices? or is this just an abandoned concept at this point?

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Okay for those that legit don't know, he has said this a plethora of times. The Karma system is being implemented in full AFTER neutral ending, which we are on now, is complete. After that he will pursue the other routes, Good Karma, Bad Karma, and True Waifu, etc. He created these choices that you see in game as placeholders. So when the game is complete initially, he can just simply go back and add the respective scenes to those spots, and so on. Same goes for the game over scenes you see that are just black screens. Some of those will have actual scenes implemented later on as well.
 
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Okay for those that legit don't know, he has said this a plethora of times. The Karma system is being implemented in full AFTER neutral ending, which we are on now, is complete. After that he will pursue the other routes, Good Karma, Bad Karma, and True Waifu, etc. He created these choices that you see in game as placeholders. So when the game is complete initially, he can just simply go back and add the respective scenes to those spots, and so on. Same goes for the game over scenes you see that are just black screens. Some of those will have actual scenes implemented later on as well.
hey, so thanks for finally clearing this up for me. n with over 600 pages of posts n comments, i tried finding at least 1 by the dev so i could check his posts about this, or just ask him myself. but i searched this site for the dev's username, n nothing came up, which is y i posted what i did; n i wasn't gonna message the OP's author, since it didn't match the dev.

so has he said if this current version is the completed neutral version, or how long until it's finished, n we can see results of the karma system in the additional scenes? n i've already enjoyed several of the "game over" scenes, n look forward to more lascivious, demonic, twisted endings (in addition to the KK_coalblackheart n KK_everythingthedarktouches scenes of course :sneaky::devilish:) n when this happens, will we be able to just play the additional scenes, or have to start the game from scratch?

p.s. btw, what's the deal w/the phone? is that something that will also be updated? (really wanna order off the 'hunieB' app) having up-to-date stats n info on the girls would be really useful when it comes to the quests...thx

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hey, so thanks for finally clearing this up for me. n with over 600 pages of posts n comments, i tried finding at least 1 by the dev so i could check his posts about this, or just ask him myself. but i searched this site for the dev's username, n nothing came up, which is y i posted what i did; n i wasn't gonna message the OP's author, since it didn't match the dev.

so has he said if this current version is the completed neutral version, or how long until it's finished, n we can see results of the karma system in the additional scenes? n i've already enjoyed several of the "game over" scenes, n look forward to more lascivious, demonic, twisted endings (in addition to the KK_coalblackheart n KK_everythingthedarktouches scenes of course :sneaky::devilish:) n when this happens, will we be able to just play the additional scenes, or have to start the game from scratch?

p.s. btw, what's the deal w/the phone? is that something that will also be updated? (really wanna order off the 'hunieB' app) having up-to-date stats n info on the girls would be really useful when it comes to the quests...thx

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This current version is the total complete neutral version. Some of the endings are true bad endings, others are a bad end with a continuous route to take afterwards if you so choose to continue down that path. Same for the good karma side. Once he completes this version, which is estimated next year in September - November time frame, he will start filling in the parts in the other routes. The True Waifu and Good Karma side will be first I am almost 100% sure because the Bad Karma side is extremely more lewd and will have what most crybabies think is "NTR" and girls being used by others, corruption, rape, etc. But it's all for the games plot, it's a game based on revenge. You can't always protect everyone and something is always bound to happen.

Also that phone app is just a means for you to currently view the girls information. But he has a plan for it for the future. I am sure he will do something with it.
 
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This current version is the total complete neutral version. Some of the endings are true bad endings, others are a bad end with a continuous route to take afterwards if you so choose to continue down that path. Same for the good karma side. Once he completes this version, which is estimated next year in September - November time frame, he will start filling in the parts in the other routes. The True Waifu and Good Karma side will be first I am almost 100% sure because the Bad Karma side is extremely more lewd and will have what most crybabies think is "NTR" and girls being used by others, corruption, rape, etc. But it's all for the games plot, it's a game based on revenge. You can't always protect everyone and something is always bound to happen.

Also that phone app is just a means for you to currently view the girls information. But he has a plan for it for the future. I am sure he will do something with it.
RIGHT??!! after all, the MAIN POINT of this game IS revenge for the MC's father, so you'd THINK that the bad karma path would be the main/most important path, esp now knowing that "like father, like son", n rachel's succubus saying how the MC is the key to her being released from some astral gate. n after all, don't we play these kinda games BECAUSE we want lewdness, corruption, rape, etc??

n ur confusing me about the timeline...so if "this current version (v0.8.0b) is the total complete neutral version", yet u say "once he completes this version, which is estimated next year", what did u mean? i'm hoping u mean that by sept-nov '21 is when he'll have all 3 karma paths finished (i'm guessing "true waifu"=neutral karma path?)

n dunno what u mean by the phone app is a means to "currently" view girls info...when u click on it, then a girl, there isn't even any info in the profiles yet; so it's just a placeholder for now also? thx 4 the info (do u know the dev somehow, or get the info from his patreon page?)
 

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RIGHT??!! after all, the MAIN POINT of this game IS revenge for the MC's father, so you'd THINK that the bad karma path would be the main/most important path, esp now knowing that "like father, like son", n rachel's succubus saying how the MC is the key to her being released from some astral gate. n after all, don't we play these kinda games BECAUSE we want lewdness, corruption, rape, etc??

n ur confusing me about the timeline...so if "this current version (v0.8.0b) is the total complete neutral version", yet u say "once he completes this version, which is estimated next year", what did u mean? i'm hoping u mean that by sept-nov '21 is when he'll have all 3 karma paths finished (i'm guessing "true waifu"=neutral karma path?)

n dunno what u mean by the phone app is a means to "currently" view girls info...when u click on it, then a girl, there isn't even any info in the profiles yet; so it's just a placeholder for now also? thx 4 the info (do u know the dev somehow, or get the info from his patreon page?)
The version we are playing with is the neutral version. It is at 0.8.0. Meaning once it reaches 1.0.0 we will be done with neutral ending then He will begin working on the other routes.

And yes it is a placeholder. There will be more features added in the future.

Also I know this info because he speaks about it in the discord and I am a V.I.P so I know a bit more than others.

But everything I have talked about he has mentioned publicly in his discord.
 
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Wow, so those of us hoping for a good revenge story shouldn't check back till 2022...or more likely, due to how long the Dev takes to release new content, 2023. I really hope that's not the case...but probably what ends up happening :(
 
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The version we are playing with is the neutral version. It is at 0.8.0. Meaning once it reaches 1.0.0 we will be done with neutral ending then He will begin working on the other routes.

And yes it is a placeholder. There will be more features added in the future.

Also I know this info because he speaks about it in the discord and I am a V.I.P so I know a bit more than others.

But everything I have talked about he has mentioned publicly in his discord.
wow, nice! yeah, i keep thinking i should get on discord, but i just never seem to get around to it. so then this version isn't the "complete" neutral version yet; that's what threw me off. n ur saying that we won't get to v1.0.0 until around oct '21?? PLEASE tell me that was a typo, n u meant the neutral version will be finished b/t sept-nov '20, n that the other paths will be completed in '21.

like the following...now THIS is the shit i'm talking about...FUCK YES!!
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n finally, how do we contact the dev about responding to his in-game feedback query...or can that only be done on discord?
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(i'm pretty sure u can guess my answer to this, n which way i'm wanting to let the devs know to go :cool::devilish::love::eek:)
 
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