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Best comment ever written in this thread. Ignore, report, and move on. Just let them screech into the void, without the reactions they crave, until the garbage men show up
- Nov 4, 2019
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I have to agree with him. There are way too many visual novel games in development for 5 years or more that still aren't finished. How long should it really take to complete an indie VN?
I mean they had a pretty good excuse for it taking so long. It's a husband and wife team working on the game and they just had a baby a few months ago. That's going to take away like 80% time they have to work on the game.
- Jun 15, 2021
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Welcome to another episode of "When is this thread going to be locked?"
- Feb 7, 2020
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That's a poor excuse. Have they never heard of child labor? I'm sure that newborn is as good a writer as half the devs on this site. Put it to work!
- Jan 12, 2017
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Yeah but then the trolls would say, "Great, we finally got an update but why are there so many duckies and bunnies and no sex with wood nymphs?"
I'm pretty sure they'd be questioning why you can't fuck the duckies.
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You don't want to be on the receiving end with that corkscrew duck dick.
- Jul 26, 2017
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Weekly report 171
Hi everybody.
Happy Friday! Here's a summary of what we did last week:
Chestnut:
I had already sent Chestnut a few Photoshop files with placeholder hands/eyes/clothing, and her main focus last week was going through them and drawing the necessary sprite elements. She also worked a little more on Gomira's nude sprite (seen from the front and using the same facial features but different hands); she had started it a while back and even recorded a bit of the drawing process.
Pistachio:
Last week, I posed sprites for various dialogues. There was one back-and-forth between characters that needed to be rewritten (and I'm not entirely happy with it), but I think everything else looks good for now. I've ended up needing more tasks than I had planned -- I'm making my life a bit difficult by trying to make things cinematic, but my hope is you will like the final results.
Next week's plan:
Chestnut plans to work on cutscenes, but if she draws Gomira's boobs, we'll be sure to record it so that I can compile all the videos together and post them for you.
I'm going to stop posing for a while and go back to all the dialogues I've been working on. I'm still relatively early in Gomira's second quest, but I've done a few dialogues from it and want to do some testing and make sure everything makes sense before going forward with more posing.
That's all.
Have a wonderful weekend!
Cheers
- Jun 17, 2019
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A 'fun' fact from the graphtreon data: they are currently earning 8.4k, which is 600 bucks less than just six months ago, and that's not going to improve in the near future. So fear not, patrons keep penalizing them for not releasing an update.
Now, more financial details: Patreon takes at least an 8% of that income, plus other exchange fees that I won't take into account. Then there's VAT, which is a whopping 21% in Spain that Patreon will take from them and give to the Spanish tax authorities - and considering devs' job doesn't really need many inputs, they can't compensate that amount with the VAT they pay for those inputs. That means that they currently have a net revenue of less than 6k per month. Now, they are self-employed, so with their gross income they are forced to pay about 350 bucks each to the Spanish Healthcare, and we are down to 5.3k per month. Of course, they still need to face the Personal Income Tax for their annual revenue, which could mean that they'd need to put aside about the 40% of their income. So in the end they are currently earning about 3.2k, maybe 3.8k per month if they can take advantage of some tax benefits due to them being a family. A family of 4 members, living in Spain. Even if my maths are off for 1k, they are not getting rich with this game, that's for sure.
Now, more financial details: Patreon takes at least an 8% of that income, plus other exchange fees that I won't take into account. Then there's VAT, which is a whopping 21% in Spain that Patreon will take from them and give to the Spanish tax authorities - and considering devs' job doesn't really need many inputs, they can't compensate that amount with the VAT they pay for those inputs. That means that they currently have a net revenue of less than 6k per month. Now, they are self-employed, so with their gross income they are forced to pay about 350 bucks each to the Spanish Healthcare, and we are down to 5.3k per month. Of course, they still need to face the Personal Income Tax for their annual revenue, which could mean that they'd need to put aside about the 40% of their income. So in the end they are currently earning about 3.2k, maybe 3.8k per month if they can take advantage of some tax benefits due to them being a family. A family of 4 members, living in Spain. Even if my maths are off for 1k, they are not getting rich with this game, that's for sure.
- Feb 20, 2020
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That's very accurate. I live in Spain too and I know the pain every single month.
Are you by any chance somehow related or connected to the devs? Or is all of this data in the public access?
- Jan 3, 2018
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Don't forget, Graphtreon shows $, not Euro.
$3,200 is 2,938 Euro.
\ 2 = 1469 Euro
Average wage in Spain (for Jan 2023) is 2,127 Euro pcm.
They are definitely not getting rich!
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- Jun 17, 2019
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I already linked the public graphtreon stats but here they are again ->
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. Graphtreon is a web service that checks Patreon's pages and offers its public data, and these devs don't hide their income.Patreon's cut is 8% (or even 12% if they chose the premium thingy, which I doubt) ->
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The rest is simple maths from the Spanish tax system, since I'm from Spain too and I'm aware of how it works.
Edit .- Full disclosure, I am somehow connected to the devs, since I translate the game (a fan translation) and I'm also a mod on their discord. But I don't take a penny from them or other benefits, nor give them any money, nor receive any kind of orders from them to defend them. And all data are publicly available, as I stated above.