VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

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dwalsh

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Is the model used for Katie the same as the one used for Luna in DeLuca Family?
 
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20meiki92 said:
It seems like none of you bothered to read the dev messages ingame. He clearly says that he will do half chapters after the next SG update even with the rework so we won´t need to wait till he reworked the whole part till 0.5 my guess is that the first part would be till the prison scene.
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I am not sure how long you have been playing or been around WIAB but most people here have been aroudn since the beginning, the sarcasm and such is warranted. Also I did mention a few times that it could take anywhere from 3 to 6 months depending on what he has to do on the SG's game to update that one. However the reason people are asking or bringing up it serious or sarcasm or joking or not, is for the simple fact that Ocean is quite the perfectionist he can change his things on a whim or throw out a big chunk of progress if a new improved idea pops of or if what he made he doesn't like and just starts over. I like what he did with 0.6 but honestly if things take to much work I rather it becomes a bit more simplified but that is purely my own opinion. However that does not mean Ill be moaning about as I already have mentioned em before and got addressed by it personally by Ocean. So while yes he understands the frustration I too understand his side of the coin.
So while we do not know what or how long SG's update will take which can take from anywhere from now up to 2 months, the rest of WIAB will come AFTER that update which can be anywhere from 3 to 6 months or even worse early next year.
Is it smart and viable to give out update 2 or 3 times a year ? No idea as currently I am not a supporter of him but I used to be.

Also from the description in his game releasing it in 2 parts does not exactly have to mean we get half part of 0.5 rework because that would not make sense as it would break saves again and on the second part of the update would make us prob start over again. So my guess is we will just get 0.5 rework and as a second part afterwards is the full 0.6 or straight up 0.7.
I just get the idea that after SG he will just focus on working WIAB agian and get that out of the window. I have a feeling that After the full rework update things might pick up and we will then get a more "proper" update schedule.

PS : I did not stop my support for him because of delays or what not but rather because I always choose to swap who a support every x amount of months because simply supporting everyone is not plausible.


Jessica143 said:
Lastest wt pls
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Do you people even READ???
3 or 4 pages worth back to back from this one explaining in DETAIL about the WT's

it is not viable to update or bring out a latest one because there is NO point in doing so. 0.5 is old game still 0.6 update is merely old 0.5 with new 0.6 and there is a full rework in progress for 0.5 part of the 0.6 update so making a walkthrough right now would be a WASTE of time.

the old walkthrough works perfectly all the up to 0.5.
 
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20meiki92 said:
It seems like you don´t really know what´s happening with WiAB at the moment so let me clarify a few things.

1. Saves did work from 0.1 till 0.5
2. Most saves won´t work with 0.6 because Ocean began to add new thinks and started reworking his code. Which is totally acceptable because it´s still a WiP and he learned many things since he started with this game.
3. You need to restart with 0.7(?) because it´s a rework which means it´s a like a new game with new variables = your saved ones can´t work.

So in short that means as soon as a dev changes something on his core code it´s impossible to use saves which are not compatible with the new code.

And most people ( which aren´t tiny little crybaby´s ) don´t have a problem with re playing the game if you can see the improvement that it brought with it.
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Thanks for brining me up to speed. If 0.7 is just a art rework, then replay would be easy but since you mentioned variables I suppose it's a ground up rework, so selecting Skip until you get a choice is invalid here. You need to play the whole game. Again, I may have missed the updates but doesn't that render the current version (0.6) useless going fwd? Rethinking a char path, adding variables, new artwork takes place in so many games. As I mentioned, this can be eased out if a chapter-based selection is available so the player has a choice to replay from scratch if they want or jump to an episode as they just want to follow a particular character.

I'll sit out 0.6 if 0.7 is a major overhaul. I do hope the dev gets more love on Patreon. It's not my most favourite games but not the type that I won't comment on it either.
 
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Oceanlab, I don't know how active you are here, but if you read this, this is my one and only major criticism of the game. Animating faces isn't easy and I get that you very clearly tried your best, but I for one would be perfectly happy with more basic animations. The ball scene with Katie had me literally tearing up because I could not have expected such an amazing scene, but the scene could have also worked fine without that one animation. That's the end of my statement.

My review of the game:
Preface: In it's current state, this game is a 4.5/5 and is in a state of total overhaul so the future is uncertain, but the latest update, which is in the same format as the overhaul is insanely promising.

Time to 100%: ~12 hours I'll be honest, this is just a guess. I played two playthroughs over 5 days and never kept track of the time.

Story: I feel it's just starting up, even with all the content already in the game. I love it so far, but I don't really know what to say for it.

Graphics - Chapters 1-5 (pre-overhaul): Nothing special. They're pretty average and look straight out of the rendering engine with no additional work. I think there's one animated scene, but otherwise none.

Graphics - Chapter 6 (overhaul): Holy fucking shit. I have never seen better graphics in any VN, period. There are (not really, but it's what I'm going to call them) cutscenes, which while not animated, do have motion and post FX, and you can more than see that a serious amount of work put into them. I'm pretty sure more work was put into the background to make everything perfect. My only complaint is that the cutscenes are darker than the stills and not seamless at all.

Extra things: The latest update overhauled the menu and I think I bust a nut when I first saw it. That single update is a 6/5 on it's own.
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sandstorm1872 said:
Thanks for brining me up to speed. If 0.7 is just a art rework, then replay would be easy but since you mentioned variables I suppose it's a ground up rework, so selecting Skip until you get a choice is invalid here. You need to play the whole game. Again, I may have missed the updates but doesn't that render the current version (0.6) useless going fwd? Rethinking a char path, adding variables, new artwork takes place in so many games. As I mentioned, this can be eased out if a chapter-based selection is available so the player has a choice to replay from scratch if they want or jump to an episode as they just want to follow a particular character.

I'll sit out 0.6 if 0.7 is a major overhaul. I do hope the dev gets more love on Patreon. It's not my most favourite games but not the type that I won't comment on it either.
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The overhaul won't be just an art rework, it's also an overhaul of the story. It seems that it's still going to be the same premise, but more like a retelling of the current story we get. I recommend you play out 0.6. It's honestly just an experience if nothing else. It's insane the amount of effort that was put in.

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SomeGuyWithNoImagination said:
I believe it is. They look identical to me.
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To me, they don't look identical at all.
Katie in 0.6 is also Zbrushed and heavily modified.

SomeGuyWithNoImagination said:
Oceanlab, I don't know how active you are here, but if you read this, this is my one and only major criticism of the game. Animating faces isn't easy and I get that you very clearly tried your best, but I for one would be perfectly happy with more basic animations. The ball scene with Katie had me literally tearing up because I could not have expected such an amazing scene, but the scene could have also worked fine without that one animation. That's the end of my statement.

My review of the game:




The overhaul won't be just an art rework, it's also an overhaul of the story. It seems that it's still going to be the same premise, but more like a retelling of the current story we get. I recommend you play out 0.6. It's honestly just an experience if nothing else. It's insane the amount of effort that was put in.

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This was actually the first time I really animated, so errors are to be expected. If you take a look at the game from 0.1 - 0.5 you won't find any animations only a few in 0.5 which are very bad. And in "Summer's Gone Chapter 2" I made my first small step to these cinematics as you may have seen if you played the game.

I am doing the "Learning by doing" route with animations. That's why I also added so many animations to the Bonus scene (10-11).

I want to be able to make some really high-quality Cinematics/Animations in the future. (That's also a reason why I am currently preparing to switch to Blender and leave Daz behind me and hopefully, I will be able to do it with Season 2.


From your review I get... "Cutscenes". I assume you mean the two cinematics? (Katie ball and the ending one).
If so, both are 90% animated. Alone the last cinematic at the courthouse took me 1 month to create.


But from what I can see, you liked the update and I am glad you also saw how much work did go into the main menu and its transitions.
It's always nice hearing that someone does recognize the amount of work you put in there. :)

Thanks for your words, SomeGuyWithNoImagination. It always helps to keep the motivation up. :)
 
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20meiki92 said:
That´s odd then yes you should get the scene in the morning after the question of your favorite season if you didn´t spend the night with Dana
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I have the same problem. I'm using a brand new savegame and I'm on Katie's route but right before going back to the campsite I get, "As your expression turns darker..." then, "Dana: What?" and lastly, "MC: Alright... Wanna head back?" then we're back at camp.
 
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Maim Lain This game seriously needs a walkthrough Mod! I've been trying to get the Zoey, Katie, 3 way forever and just can't make it happen... o_O
I hope for a family route sis, sis, mom, mom (auntie) & cuz...

Then on a replay Miru & sis and hell throw their Mom in there too (Yakuza route)

The next replay seems to be a virgin Dana route!
 
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So I have a few inquiries... exactly how did Helen become a telekinetic telepath? (In case you're wondering where that inference comes from try doing multiple playthroughs with different choices and closely watch the interactions whenever MC is with Helen and is thinking something but not speaking it) That being asked, what the hell did Dylan do to Helen that causes her to be scared of him? (also referencing one of the scenes only reached on a certain path)
Can Dana or Zoey really be trusted? (don't get me wrong, Zoey is my second fav character & Dana's pretty stunning but I have a hard time really understanding their motivations). I don't think Leia is involved in anything truly nefarious herself but she is however actively fighting a gang turf war and possibly a larger conspiracy of power as well & most likely had to make cut throat decisions which is exactly why her family is being targeted and her twin brother was known to have been the closest to her which is why it would hurt the most to go after him. Also on that note... has Scarlet switched her allegiances? She also is going after the MC (which both Dylan & Helen seem to be aware of) and it's possibly because Leia was the indirect cause of her ex husband's incarceration....
None of my prior saves would load with the update (def a patch issue) but I have no problem doing new games with this particular VN as I love the story and the art.
 
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noctiferraah said:
call her auntie or mom ? does it change anything ?
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She's looking to sexually conquer the MC and/or "steal" him away from his family, the question is WHY exactly? She's been behaving erratically ever since her sister's "accident" & her behavior upon seeing the MC for the first time in years is rather odd, why the sudden obsession for the MC to be her son?
 
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no matter if I say no, I get another chance later to bang all the girls, even if I really tried not. that for me ruins it, all girls want to get fucked even if I try to push them away. and Mc's own girlfriend, no matter what I do, it seems that she left, the dev want me to fuck someone else all the time. whats the point to give me choices? better to make a game without choices and the Mc be a fuckboy.
 
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I'm still finishing to play it for the first time, this is a really good game, not sure how I haven't found it before. Interesting story, great looking renders and a good amount of content, so many choices!

Difficult to choose only one girl, I liked most of them in both looks and personality. For now I'd say my favorites are Leia, Dana and Katie. The girlfriend is very fun too and some others I liked such as Zoey and Emilie, all interesting characters.

I'm not sure how the rework will be but for now I really like the game, looking forward for more of the story.
 
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Was hoping for some help?? Running on Mac and as soon as I load a save I get an error. Thanks!

Code: 
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
    renpy.load(fn)
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in script
    python hide:
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 912, in execute
    renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 2004, in py_exec_bytecode
    exec bytecode in globals, locals
  File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in <module>
    python hide:
  File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 35, in _execute_python_hide
    ui.interact()
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ui.py", line 295, in interact
    rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 2699, in interact
    repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, **kwargs)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 3510, in interact_core
    rv = root_widget.event(ev, x, y, 0)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/transition.py", line 47, in event
    return self.new_widget.event(ev, x, y, st)  # E1101
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/screen.py", line 707, in event
    rv = self.child.event(ev, x, y, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
    rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
    rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
    rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 946, in event
    return handle_click(self.clicked)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 881, in handle_click
    rv = run(action)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 320, in run
    return action(*args, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
    renpy.load(fn)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/loadsave.py", line 761, in load
    log.unfreeze(roots, label="_after_load")
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1959, in unfreeze
    self.rollback(0, force=True, label=label, greedy=greedy, on_load=True)
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1791, in rollback
    self.load_failed()
  File "/private/var/folders/8n/g91s14pn63382b08z6hvv0s80000gn/T/AppTranslocation/B46FAB89-ABB3-4F81-8FCC-0B9A02326399/d/Whereitallbegan.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1709, in load_failed
    raise Exception("Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?")
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?

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