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Crazia

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I always thought the Miru aesthetic was just a parallel of how she is also basically the ugliest personality in the VN. Agree though, not a huge fan of reworks in general, particularly this early in a project (in terms of content). I appreciate when a creator is improving their craft throughout a project. They may not be proud of their older work any more but I think it's best for all involved to just finish projects and make the next ones even more exceptional rather than leaving something in development hell.
 

easygoing_

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F*ck me, this cliffhanger is a crime.
The dev works on two games and I hope he doesn't get burned out.
Are there any signs of a big update ?

Edit: NVM, I just read some comments before me.
 
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In this particular case it isnt related that much to better looking models (though it is changed along the road as well), as it is for fully story revamp in order to better fit future progress and devs ideas.
Yeah I didn't mean it's just about the models, only mentioned that cuz the argument I was responding to was about Miru being the worst looking character in the VN.

Still it is about render quality, if it was a simple story revamp he could just re-use at least 50% of old renders and render out the rest using already existing models and modified scenes.

Which would be much faster and would still satisfy the people supporting him and bring in a lot of new support.

As I said I'm not against it in this case because I know the Ol will do an amazing job, however I think there are other things he should be focused on as well. Like keeping the project alive.
 

Ayhsel

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I mean, it kind of does? There are some moments when you make choices for Miru, so technically, that can be considered female protagonist. Though the main protagonist is male. So I guess, multiple protagonists? Though not sure if the rework is going to change anything about those options, so we'll have to wait and see.

But yeah, it's mainly a male protagonist game.
If I remember right, though, we will no longer control Miru in the remake.
I hear what you're saying and you make some really good points however I would not say that the rework is unnecessary
take,Miru for example before the rework she wasn't even in the same league as the other girls

a lot of people including myself used to ignore her completely and now look at her she's one of the game's most beautiful women in my opinion
The main reason was not her looks, but the fact that she starts, barely have any interaction with MC and then disappears. And the interaction that she did have did not show any highlights. She just acted like a sex addicted girl that did not care a shit about MC neither was interesting having around. New Miru, besides being a goddess, is supposed to be shown in a way better light.
In this particular case it isnt related that much to better looking models (though it is changed along the road as well), as it is for fully story revamp in order to better fit future progress and devs ideas.
This. If I remember correctly, Ocean mentioned that new WIAB will be smaller in comparison but way better focused. The game is going to feel extremely different. He mentioned he did a lot of the original decisions by following polls on patreon and trying to give the supporters what they wanted instead of telling the story he wanted. That is out. We are going to see full Ocean.
 
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UncleFredo

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Yeah I didn't mean it's just about the models, only mentioned that cuz the argument I was responding to was about Miru being the worst looking character in the VN.

Still it is about render quality, if it was a simple story revamp he could just re-use at least 50% of old renders and render out the rest using already existing models and modified scenes.

Which would be much faster and would still satisfy the people supporting him and bring in a lot of new support.

As I said I'm not against it in this case because I know the Ol will do an amazing job, however I think there are other things he should be focused on as well. Like keeping the project alive.
Between Summers Gone and WIAB Ocean pulls in around $4070 or so a month. Now that's a pretty good level of support for a hobby, but given hardware and license costs, it probably merely makes pursuing the games possible. My point is that Ocean doesn't produce these games as a product. These games are created for Ocean's personal enjoyment. If you're unhappy with how time and resources are spent on the game stop supporting it. Otherwise, realize that we consume a game in progress and have little impact on how time is spent to address the developer's desire to change it.
 

Ayhsel

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Between Summers Gone and WIAB Ocean pulls in around $4070 or so a month. Now that's a pretty good level of support for a hobby, but given hardware and license costs, it probably merely makes pursuing the games possible. My point is that Ocean doesn't produce these games as a product. These games are created for Ocean's personal enjoyment. If you're unhappy with how time and resources are spent on the game stop supporting it. Otherwise, realize that we consume a game in progress and have little impact on how time is spent to address the developer's desire to change it.
Indeed I had a conversation with him about licenses and such. He is really looking into making the best AVN it can be. Like seriously high quality product beyond expectations.

Ohh, by the way, those number he is making are new. After last SG chapter 3 was released. Before, SG was making less that WIAB.

Here are his post in SG's thread
I have like 35-40 songs saved that will be used in the future.
But the licenses go from 100€ to 4000€. I will buy them piece by piece but it will take some time till I can afford them all.

And many songs are also reserved for future cinematics, I cannot use them in-game until the cinematic played.
It is music that you would find in Hollywood movies.
I contacted quite a few labels to get an idea of the pricing.


To me, music is pretty much the 2nd most important part of the game and that is the reason SG is lacking it. I have listened to thousands of songs (Copyright free and not) in 2019-2020.

I was left with 35-45 useable songs and PTSD from listening to so much bad music.
And I'd rather pick no music over some "maybe good enough" music.


4000€ is a lot but that's exactly what support is for. Elevating the game further and further to the point where people say "Wait? That's an AVN?"

That's also the reason I am going to switch to Blender. When the time comes and I have my hands on these high-end licenses, I want to be able to produce a cinematic worthy of it.
 
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Yugan

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Indeed I had a conversation with him about licenses and such. He is really looking into making the best AVN it can be. Like seriously high quality product beyond expectations.

Here are his post in SG's thread
I couldn't agree more. Given the storylines behind SG and WIAB the soundtrack adds more "feeling" to a specific scene/ scenario. In SG the scene with Bella sitting half naked on the side of her bed wouldn't have stirred as much emotion if Ocean had used 70s banjo porn music in place of the Vesky track used. Just my 2.5c worth.
 

UncleFredo

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Indeed I had a conversation with him about licenses and such. He is really looking into making the best AVN it can be. Like seriously high quality product beyond expectations.

Ohh, by the way, those number he is making are new. After last SG chapter 3 was released. Before, SG was making less that WIAB.

Here are his post in SG's thread
So to be clear I love his work. Period.
I guess the point I was trying to make is that we're watching snapshots of his creative process while it's happening. No one whether pirate or patron can dictate how that happens. There are any number of scammers around here. Ocean is not among them. I suspect, that while he has plans for both games, even he doesn't truly know how either story will ultimately unfold. We, his audience, will find out over time.
 
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If I remember right, though, we will no longer control Miru in the remake.

The main reason was not her looks, but the fact that she starts, barely have any interaction with MC and then disappears. And the interaction that she did have did not show any highlights. She just acted like a sex addicted girl that did not care a shit about MC neither was interesting having around. New Miru, besides being a goddess, is supposed to be shown in a way better light.

This. If I remember correctly, Ocean mentioned that new WIAB will be smaller in comparison but way better focused. The game is going to feel extremely different. He mentioned he did a lot of the original decisions by following polls on patreon and trying to give the supporters what they wanted instead of telling the story he wanted. That is out. We are going to see full Ocean.
oh believe me I know I'm glad she's getting a personality makeover to
 
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AdamJohn36

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A triangle with the two sisters is fantastic news if true. The only thing I can imagine that would be better is Katie and the mom. Milk truck Mommy and little sister are always my main targets.
Yeah, unfortunately that wont happen. You can persue a solo romantic relationship with the mother in later updates though.
 

stukablyat

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Lovely stuff. Fantastic renders and story. Mixed feelings that new updates are on hold for the rework if I'm not mistaken as I'm looking forward to the next chapter, but Ocean knows what's best. It seems Miru is getting a complete overhaul, now I would have a hard time dumping her. Funny thing, I went from pursuing the story to Dana simply because she has the same hairstyle and some semblance, at least for me, with Bella of SummersGone, and I like their interaction on the camping trip then seeing her give in to temptation at ch6, might be because of lingering feelings for MC or sexual frustration or both. Plus she's a strong independent woman vibe with submissive fetish and I want to dominate so we take those
 

Simpy

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Hey I really want to try this game, but can anybody give me a bit of synopsis coz it's not much written here
 

hielo_seco

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Hey I really want to try this game, but can anybody give me a bit of synopsis coz it's not much written here
Dont, It's a great game and I would encourage you to try it without the need of synopsis, but honestly you will be left waiting(and if you are like me, a it will be frustrating) a few months without knowing when the release will be and the next update contains the remake of the first chapter with super improved renders and story developement, I would suggest anybody of thinking on trying this game to wait until next release.

A bit context, the developer is one of the bests in quality terms and is perfectionist and overachiever, so the content expansion is painfully slow, but you will be left impressed. Next update will probably come in a few months.
 

Gladheim

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Those of you who have doubts, if you have time, play it now, in the current state, you will see the evolution of Ocean and also when the remastered version comes out you will see the differences. I recommend it
 
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Gladheim

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When does it come out? Any news?
Nah, sorry i dont have idea

P.S: Message edited by the staff, memes are not allowed, you really want to make the forum a boring place! . This is not a meme, I have already explained it a thousand times, I use gifs as a more expressive way to show my thoughts here, gentlemen moderators think a bit, only text sometimes becomes something boring, and sometimes with a GIF or an image (not a meme) you can express much more than with words.
 
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Kronos405

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So Miru is getting a new look? has there been any posts about the new look or just ocean saying she's getting a new look?
 
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