VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[mommysboiii]

No I agree 1000% I was supporting a few projects until I saw that the more money and support the dev's got the less work they would do and frankly its annoying to the point I stopped supporting them and Ill just wait to get them on here for free now. Its pretty sad. Even the dev's I would consider not that great are doing the same thing. I like the updated version of this game but it doesnt matter if im 40 by the time its finished. I build houses for a living and with only 3 people we finish a house in like 2 weeks. So why does it take years for these people to finish games when they are just sitting at their computers working out their fingers. I find it a little hard to believe.

i make 200 paper houses with only 1 person in 1 hour why you cant build 200 houses in 1 hour you see the difference?

 

[Nurikabe]

Because I love the game so much and was missing it, I decided to replay the old version (which I enjoy as much as the new). And I was shocked at what a disloyal ho Miru was! Seriously, she slept with everyone! I didn't see that before because I did not play with NTR engaged. But WOW!

As for the new Miru, she is gorgeous (but less Japanese in appearance), fun, and sexy! Most importantly, there is no question that she loves the MC and is loyal!

Just some simple thoughts about this amazing story!

 

[Machete]

Because I love the game so much and was missing it, I decided to replay the old version (which I enjoy as much as the new). And I was shocked at what a disloyal ho Miru was! Seriously, she slept with everyone! I didn't see that before because I did not play with NTR engaged. But WOW!

As for the new Miru, she is gorgeous (but less Japanese in appearance), fun, and sexy! Most importantly, there is no question that she loves the MC and is loyal!

Just my thoughts about this amazing story!

I played with ntr on but i didn't pimp her around nor i let her flirt too much. As a result she disappeared at a certain point with no further mention of her whereabouts. Unfortunately the old version mostly derailed at midrun, IMHO, even before the rushed finale. Dev wanted to put too much and he must have realized he couldn't deal with everything. As i mention before i hope the new version will have a more focused and less wacky plot.

 

[Razrback16]

Probably the only thing I don't really like about this game so far (never played the original) is how MC is already in a relationship with a pre-selected LI. I'd much rather be able to start single instead of having to manage a relationship right from the off that I don't even want my character to be in, lol.

 

[Canto Forte]

Why, give her a moment of your time .. she will deff grow on you.

the new Miru, she is gorgeous (but less Japanese in appearance), fun, and sexy! Most importantly, there is no question that she loves the MC and is loyal!

She is intricate to the plot and is here to help you, and then ...

she disappeared at a certain point with no further mention of her whereabouts.

There are other babes introduced once you play further.
MC is in a relationship because he is someone and is doing good by someone.
That is a grown up right there.

Probably the only thing I don't really like about this game so far (never played the original) is how MC is already in a relationship with a pre-selected LI. I'd much rather be able to start single instead of having to manage a relationship right from the off that I don't even want my character to be in, lol.

Game oN!

 

[Kronos405]

About 20 minutes demo with great redners and a long-ass animated video. Just dowload a compressed version.

Have no clue why you replied to me when I didn't ask how much content is in this game.

 

[Rugerrell6]

i make 200 paper houses with only 1 person in 1 hour why you cant build 200 houses in 1 hour you see the difference?

No I dont because that example doesnt apply. When you've been developing games as long as some of these people have it should be easier to get the work done more quickly and efficiently otherwise they need to pick a new career cause if they arent mastering their craft they are wasting their time. Instead they choose to set up patreons and break the development into small updates to milk as much money as possible for minimal work. You know as well as I do how they get down. Its not that they cant do more its that they r not willing to.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

No I dont because that example doesnt apply. When you've been developing games as long as some of these people have it should be easier to get the work done more quickly and efficiently otherwise they need to pick a new career cause if they arent mastering their craft they are wasting their time. Instead they choose to set up patreons and break the development into small updates to milk as much money as possible for minimal work. You know as well as I do how they get down. Its not that they cant do more its that they r not willing to.

I did a single render of one character. No background, no lighting, no clothes, just one single character in a basic pose with a few mats applied. That render took about 3-4 minutes. I have an older card, GeForce GTX 1060 6GB, but still...

Now look at how elaborate Ocean's scenes are. The level of detail and lighting, the backgrounds, etc. Think of how long each render might take, even with a top-notch GPU.

Now go build your houses without any power tools and see how it goes.

 

[Rugerrell6]

I did a single render of one character. No background, no lighting, no clothes, just one single character in a basic pose with a few mats applied. That render took about 3-4 minutes. I have an older card, GeForce GTX 1060 6GB, but still...

Now look at how elaborate Ocean's scenes are. The level of detail and lighting, the backgrounds, etc. Think of how long each render might take, even with a top-notch GPU.

Now go build your houses without any power tools and see how it goes.

Actually the first house I built was without power tools and with only 2 people it took 3 months... So once again its not that they cant get it done its that they wont because the way they are doing it makes them more money. And by the way I like this game alot and it is alot better then most but I will forget about it in a few months and focus on things that are actually being updated regularly.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Actually the first house I built was without power tools and with only 2 people it took 3 months... So once again its not that they cant get it done its that they wont because the way they are doing it makes them more money. And by the way I like this game alot and it is alot better then most but I will forget about it in a few months and focus on things that are actually being updated regularly.

What was the square footage of the house? How many rooms? Were you also the architect who designed everything? Did you also do the electrical?

Building houses is really not a good comparison for writing, designing, and coding a game/VN anyway. But I can tell you for one that the effort that goes into making a single scene is pretty large. I don't see a dev going back and improving on something as milking. Either way, no one is being forced to support. If it bothers people that much, stop supporting and wait for completed games and just pay the one-time fee. However, we're all here on a pirate site, so how many will actually do that...

 

[UncleFredo]

Actually the first house I built was without power tools and with only 2 people it took 3 months... So once again its not that they cant get it done its that they wont because the way they are doing it makes them more money. And by the way I like this game alot and it is alot better then most but I will forget about it in a few months and focus on things that are actually being updated regularly.

So I offer the following for your consideration:
It is not unusual for a modestly sized novel to take a year to write. Then an additional number of months to go through an editing process with an editor. A good friend has written and has had published seven novels over roughly 20 years. So that's just the time to write the story. No visuals. No animations. No coding. Just to write a novel.

But a VN is more than just writing. The models for the characters must be created, as must the backgrounds. They must be posed. The scenes must be rendered. The animations must be designed, rendered, and animated. Then code must be written to tie it all together. Renpy provides a rich infrastructure to support that, but it is still coding which must be debugged

Ocean started this VN knowing relatively little about the tools he was using. As he became more skilled he found his earlier work lacking. This is a work in progress. He was and is well within his rights to simply decide he's unwilling to move forward with a product that he feels is deficient in his early releases.

The rework of chapter 1 fully demonstrates the massive improvement in every aspect of Ocean's skills and technical quality. So it's not like we don't have evidence of his commitment and effort.

I understand, and to some degree share, your frustration. You and I may feel that his earlier work was "good enough" and desire him to get on with new content. But that isn't our call. Only Ocean can set the standard for his work, and I fully support that.

I suspect the 10th or 20th or 100th house you built was far superior to your first. Would you like to go back and rebuild that first one using all you've learned? Ocean is still learning how to build his VN. We're watching him build it. Doesn't he have the right to tear out his earlier construction and replace it using his now superior skills and tools?

 

[pkgbest13]

So I offer the following for your consideration:
It is not unusual for a modestly sized novel to take a year to write. Then an additional number of months to go through an editing process with an editor. A good friend has written and has had published seven novels over roughly 20 years. So that's just the time to write the story. No visuals. No animations. No coding. Just to write a novel.

But a VN is more than just writing. The models for the characters must be created, as must the backgrounds. They must be posed. The scenes must be rendered. The animations must be designed, rendered, and animated. Then code must be written to tie it all together. Renpy provides a rich infrastructure to support that, but it is still coding which must be debugged

Ocean started this VN knowing relatively little about the tools he was using. As he became more skilled he found his earlier work lacking. This is a work in progress. He was and is well within his rights to simply decide he's unwilling to move forward with a product that he feels is deficient in his early releases.

The rework of chapter 1 fully demonstrates the massive improvement in every aspect of Ocean's skills and technical quality. So it's not like we don't have evidence of his commitment and effort.

I understand, and to some degree share, your frustration. You and I may feel that his earlier work was "good enough" and desire him to get on with new content. But that isn't our call. Only Ocean can set the standard for his work, and I fully support that.

I suspect the 10th or 20th or 100th house you built was far superior to your first. Would you like to go back and rebuild that first one using all you've learned? Ocean is still learning how to build his VN. We're watching him build it. Doesn't he have the right to tear out his earlier construction and replace it using his now superior skills and tools?

I am a writer and I couldn't agree more with everything you said. Ocean's latest version is far superior let a creator, create.

 

[Cabin Fever]

So I offer the following for your consideration:
It is not unusual for a modestly sized novel to take a year to write. Then an additional number of months to go through an editing process with an editor. A good friend has written and has had published seven novels over roughly 20 years. So that's just the time to write the story. No visuals. No animations. No coding. Just to write a novel.

But a VN is more than just writing. The models for the characters must be created, as must the backgrounds. They must be posed. The scenes must be rendered. The animations must be designed, rendered, and animated. Then code must be written to tie it all together. Renpy provides a rich infrastructure to support that, but it is still coding which must be debugged

Ocean started this VN knowing relatively little about the tools he was using. As he became more skilled he found his earlier work lacking. This is a work in progress. He was and is well within his rights to simply decide he's unwilling to move forward with a product that he feels is deficient in his early releases.

The rework of chapter 1 fully demonstrates the massive improvement in every aspect of Ocean's skills and technical quality. So it's not like we don't have evidence of his commitment and effort.

I understand, and to some degree share, your frustration. You and I may feel that his earlier work was "good enough" and desire him to get on with new content. But that isn't our call. Only Ocean can set the standard for his work, and I fully support that.

I suspect the 10th or 20th or 100th house you built was far superior to your first. Would you like to go back and rebuild that first one using all you've learned? Ocean is still learning how to build his VN. We're watching him build it. Doesn't he have the right to tear out his earlier construction and replace it using his now superior skills and tools?

So true. Unfortunately, many are spoiled by either developer that has a whole team, or even worse, solo developers that choose quantity & frequency over quality.

 

[Xibi]

Is there enough game time for the 1st episode remake? Or better wait for episode 2 since it seems to be coming out soon?

 

[NewTricks]

Is there enough game time for the 1st episode remake? Or better wait for episode 2 since it seems to be coming out soon?

In your shoes, I would wait. The content so far is pretty great but brief. Starting with the next version will probably provide a more satisfying experience.

 

[Xibi]

In your shoes, I would wait. The content so far is pretty great but brief. Starting with the next version will probably provide a more satisfying experience.

I usually wait until there are at least 3 chapters before playing a VN but since this one is Ocean, I hesitated. Gonna wait then. The good thing when you haven't played is there no waiting for next episode

 

[giorgyo777]

when is chapter 2 coming out WIAB?

 

[lipe2410]

when is chapter 2 coming out WIAB?

No set date yet.

 

[AngelsAfterDark]

I did a single render of one character. No background, no lighting, no clothes, just one single character in a basic pose with a few mats applied. That render took about 3-4 minutes. I have an older card, GeForce GTX 1060 6GB, but still...

Now look at how elaborate Ocean's scenes are. The level of detail and lighting, the backgrounds, etc. Think of how long each render might take, even with a top-notch GPU.

Now go build your houses without any power tools and see how it goes.

Honestly that's why I don't like to complain about the amount of time it takes for an update to be released, oceans work in my opinion is the best, the quality and attention to detail is breathtaking and its foolish to expect a VN of that caliber to be updated frequently like lesser quality games.

One thing worth talking about tho is the fact that Ocean deliberately creates more work for himself, I mean don't get me wrong I love SG and WIAB equally and I'd love to see both games completed, but honestly if you're already struggling to get at least two updates out a year for one game why add another? SG just got out of the introduction phase and WIAB is pretty much still in it, both games are far from completion so one or two updates a year for both games won't cut it. It'll take years before this game gets completed so is it worth it? as I said I don't like complaining about the release time but it's worth noting that it could be faster if Ocean just focused on one game, maybe he could push out 3 or 4 updates a year, it won't take long before that game is completed then he can move on to another game(SG or WIAB, depending on the one he focuses on first)
But yeah that's just my thought on that, it's Oceans games he can do what he wants and he probably is trying to find a way to speed up the updates without reducing the quality and that's good,Oceans games just one be the same without his quality and style.

 

[Ash_1]

any news about the update ?