VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[lipe2410]

dont get me wrong their renders are very beautiful (but I dont understand why they try to makes games as realistic as possible with music and story and on the other hand as unrealistic as possible) I do but they threat male cheracters very unrealistic and i have the feeling that there only meaning is to make not a story about a whole female college where mc is the only male chearcter, cheracters like quinn (hots in generel act like nons if they are not with mc in a 4 some) or the shy one(acts like a pornstar if she has sex with mc as a virgin) constantly break cheracter because for which audiance the game is desiged they are def hrarem games or play like harem games too me as far as I understand where it all began trys to go a different route which i appretiate

Your opnion about the game and that's alright to me. But i didn't bring BaDik as a example exactly because is another long VN with probably 16-20 episodes. I brought Leap of Faith and AL for being the perfect examples of my real point (that i sustain): lenght is not the main factor for the quality of a VN. Even VNs with less than 10 chapters have deeper character development, meaningfull choices, differents paths based in this choices and strong delivery of feelings that can create connections with the characters that we engage. None of this rely only in how long a story is. There is way more things than that.

 

[SirAlexander111]

dont get me wrong their renders are very beautiful (but I dont understand why they try to makes games as realistic as possible with music and story and on the other hand as unrealistic as possible) I do but they threat male cheracters very unrealistic and i have the feeling that there only meaning is to make not a story about a whole female college where mc is the only male chearcter, cheracters like quinn (hots in generel act like nuns if they are not with mc in a 4 some) or the shy one(acts like a pornstar if she has sex with mc as a virgin) constantly break cheracter because for which audiance the game is desiged they are def hrarem games or play like harem games too me as far as I understand where it all began trys to go a different route which i appretiate

Your main problem is how those game treat npc males is it? Holy shit.
You as a male main character, why the Fuck do you care of some random npcs?

 

[mommysboiii]

Your opnion about the game and that's alright to me. But i didn't bring BaDik as a example exactly because is another long VN with probably 16-20 episodes. I brought Leap of Faith and AL for being the perfect examples of my real point (that i sustain): lenght is not the main factor for the quality of a VN. Even VNs with less than 10 chapters have deeper character development, meaningfull choices, differents paths based in this choices and strong delivery of feelings that can create connections with the characters that we engage. None of this rely only in how long a story is. There is way more things than that.

I respect your opinion I dont see a single game that trys to make the same approache as ocean(maybe our red string ) with good renders, deep cheracter devolopment and realistic cheracters (Male and Female) so as least for me there is no game which we can compare it to in terms of chapter lengh that is already finished.

 

[mommysboiii]

Your main problem is how those game treat npc males is it? Holy shit.
You as a male main character, why the Fuck do you care of some random npcs?

its all about not breaking cheracter I enjoy realistic storys and writting and if Hots act like nuns with other cheracters or shy women act like ponstar/puppets or a lot of women only want to jump on mcs dick its immersion breaking for me personal maybe not for you

 

[SirAlexander111]

its all about not breaking cheracter I enjoy realistic storys and writting and if Hots act like nuns with other cheracters or shy women act like ponstar/puppets or a lot of women only want to jump on mcs dick its immersion breaking for me personal maybe not for you

Do you consider the miru character in wiab realistic or any of mc's sister?

 

[sorco2003]

Your opnion about the game and that's alright to me. But i didn't bring BaDik as a example exactly because is another long VN with probably 16-20 episodes. I brought Leap of Faith and AL for being the perfect examples of my real point (that i sustain): lenght is not the main factor for the quality of a VN. Even VNs with less than 10 chapters have deeper character development, meaningfull choices, differents paths based in this choices and strong delivery of feelings that can create connections with the characters that we engage. None of this rely only in how long a story is. There is way more things than that.

I fully agree, even though I hated AL, it had many very redeemable features.
As for the length, it is as variable as it works, movies are getting longer every day, but series have less and less episodes. And as you already said, being long or short is not exclusive of its quality.
Can you imagine, I don't know, The Mandalorian with 24 episodes instead of the 8 it has?

 

[mommysboiii]

Do you consider the miru character in wiab realistic or any of mc's sister?

after the update i consider miru(or bella in his other game) as very realistic she asct like as she is written and I feel attached to her but its just one chapter so I need a bit more to see dont saw enough of the sisters in the new update to say that

 

[SirAlexander111]

after the update i consider miru(or bella in his other game) as very realistic she asct like as she is written and I feel attached to her but its just one cheapter so I need a bit more to see dont saw enough of the sisters in the new update to say that

So based on one half ass chapter (which has highly unrealistic incest theme, highly unrealistic cheating theme with multiple partners.... So on) you declared proofs of Narnia's presence.

 

[mommysboiii]

So based on one half ass chapter (which has highly unrealistic incest theme, highly unrealistic cheating theme with multiple partners.... So on) you declared proofs of Narnia's presence.

I agree that all incest games that i played are highly unrealistic and bad written but i dont saw the incest in the rework so I have no idea how its handeld but miru is written very good in the first cheapter she feels like a human with all her jealousy and so on

 

[SirAlexander111]

I agree that all incest games that i played i highly unrealistic and bad written but i dont saw the incest in the rework so I have no idea how its handeld but miru is written very good in the first cheapter she feels like a human with all her jealousy and so on

Your whole argument is based on how other games are unrealistic yet you still consider this one as a flag bearer of realistic games. Open your eyes, there's an incest tag and mc has two sis in description.
Some one give me 100mg/iv harem please... I can't.

 

[mommysboiii]

Your whole argument is based on how other games are unrealistic yet you still consider this one as a flag bearer of realistic games. Some one give me 100mg/iv harem please... I can't.

I am pretty sure that it will be i see the vision with episode 1 I saw the thinks that he wrote here so i trust him and have high expectations compared to other games

 

[SirAlexander111]

I am pretty sure that it will be i see the vision with episode 1 I saw the thinks that he wrote here so i trust him and have high expectations compared to other games

Are you high bro? You were chest thumping few posts back saying how other games were unrealistic, what do you want to convey here?

 

[lipe2410]

I fully agree, even though I hated AL, it had many very redeemable features.
As for the length, it is as variable as it works, movies are getting longer every day, but series have less and less episodes. And as you already said, being long or short is not exclusive of its quality.
Can you imagine, I don't know, The Mandalorian with 24 episodes instead of the 8 it has?

Yeah, the more recent DC and Marvel's blockbuster are other great examples that longer is not equal as better

 

[AngelsAfterDark]

Games like this dont need a meaningful story or cheracter development because its all about MC baning as much female cheracters as possible their is no realism so i really dont understand why developer like him or become a rockstar or beaing a dik put so much time in looking for good songs, and story because they dont need that in a harem game as far as I understand where it all began is more about realism ,meaning full choices male cheracters that act like male cheracters not every women acts like a pornstar/puppet to satisfy MCS needs they act complet different as far as i understand oceans vision so that is on a other level in terms of binding with a cheracter and story progressen(which you can never achive with 8 or 9 chapters with the current size of updates ) because MALE and FEMALE cheracters need to feel like real humans which is not the case in the games you mentioned.

Clearly You have never played leap of faith before because just Cece alone is probably the most realistic character in all of AVNs. The shit that girl goes through is real af. I once had a friend who was exactly like her and like Cece she also tried to commit suicide, unfortunately my friend didn't survive like Cece did. But anyways If you wanna base realistic on whether a female character throws herself at the MC or not, cool. I get you, that's not realistic(especially if the MC is not rich or attractive) but sadly that happens in pretty much 99% of AVNs especially when romance is its main focus. But you seriously can't say Leap of faith doesn't handle its characters well and make em feel real outside of "throwing themselves at the MC". They all have problems they're facing or shit they're going through that makes em feel real,they arent just there for the MC to fuck.
Now with that said, a game really worth complaining about is that retarded college game where the MC is the only male on campus and literally the entire college, faculty included wants to fuck him. I think the MC is a basketball player or some shit... I can't remember I played it a fuck while back. But there was barely any story, literally just girls throwing themselves at the MC around every corner.. And yes the other male in the game was a closeted homosexual and I think at some point you fuck his gf as well(not sure didn't play that far but it's pretty obvious) . Anyways the game sucks and its really just a fap fest. That's my point.

 

[WuzzyFuzzy]

Clearly You have never played leap of faith before because just Cece alone is probably the most realistic character in all of AVNs. The shit that girl goes through is real af. I once had a friend who was exactly like her and like Cece she also tried to commit suicide, unfortunately my friend didn't survive like Cece did.

Well said. Another reason the characters and relationships in LoF are far more realistic than 99% of the games on here is due to two things. First, the developer is older than your average author. More life experience equals more nuance. Secondly, his own daughter committed suicide. My father used to say that grass doesn't grow on the mountain tops, it grows in the valleys. That's where we learn most in life.

 

[tewinter]

My father used to say that grass doesn't grow on the mountain tops, it grows in the valleys. That's where we learn most in life.

Fuck, that is actually wise man and a nicer way of looking at "being at rock bottom".

 

[Derporito]

Wish there was a way to have POV mods. I personally enjoyed this game more when the character's journey was thru his eyes and not in a third person shot

 

[Deleted member 4866084]

After playing the latest SG update, I just had to pop by here and show some love for the dev's other masterpiece!
I cannot wait for the next update on this one as well. It's hard to go back to other games on here after playing Oceanlab's updates.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

After playing the latest SG update, I just had to pop by here and show some love for the dev's other masterpiece!
I cannot wait for the next update on this one as well. It's hard to go back to other games on here after playing Oceanlab's updates.

It would be nice if he got help (at least the artistic side) so he could really focus and accelerate development. His work is definitely enjoyable.

 

[Deleted member 4866084]

It would be nice if he got help (at least the artistic side) so he could really focus and accelerate development. His work is definitely enjoyable.

Yes, definitely.

Is he going to release SG on Steam at all?
I think he could gain a mass of extra supporters on there and a good injection of funds too.