Overall story arch will be similar but many of the plot points will be different. There are already new characters in the reworked Ch1 that were never mentioned let alone appear in the original work.
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Well the diff is obvious cuz in the old ver MC's gf looks like a walking skeleton while in the reworked she looks much more attractive
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There are some games in this site which is finished but didn't labeled as completed tag , thus making me asking that question.
And no, is not funny at all
At the rate things are going, this game will never finish. Honestly I doubt Summers Gone will finish too. 30 chapters? Half chapter updates every 6 months? Reworks? *sigh* does ocean ever plan on getting a full team of people to support him like other games that are not nearly as ambitious as this one? Out of all the games to joke about slow releases or never finishing or taking 10+ years to complete, Summers Gone and Where it all Began is literally the game that will take that long lmfao.
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i will be in my grave when the 2 games are finished.
Try 'A Wife and Mother'. Current production rates puts it completing in 2065ish time frame. And it gets slower with each update. The updates now are 1/10th of a Playable Day. The Update size is in vicinity of 140 to 200ish renders. Whose lifetime will see the end?
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Just have to pass it on to my grandson and they will finish these games in their full gloryTry 'A Wife and Mother'. Current production rates puts it completing in 2065ish time frame. And it gets slower with each update. The updates now are 1/10th of a Playable Day. The Update size is in vicinity of 140 to 200ish renders. Whose lifetime will see the end?
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I really want to support Where It All Began, but the update is so slow that I hesitate...
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the state of development on that game now is a complete joke, an insult & mockery designed to waste your time. i checked out after the release of 0.160, even the story now is inconsistent & uncompelling, ignored that thread for the better. at least i'm new here but after downloading the "reworked" chapter 1 & been impressed & intrigued with the story premise & renders the chapter ends abruptly on a cliffhanger lol, i'm gonna stick here for awhile to see how long it takes for chapter 2 & if the development here is at the same rate as that game then adios amigos.Try 'A Wife and Mother'. Current production rates puts it completing in 2065ish time frame. And it gets slower with each update. The updates now are 1/10th of a Playable Day. The Update size is in vicinity of 140 to 200ish renders. Whose lifetime will see the end?
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I think this game has 30 planned chapters (same as the devs other game) and at the current speed there is about 1 chapter pear year so.. this might be completed in another 29+ years.
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OMEGALUL, you don't say.... so this is also milking at the highest order then i'm outta here as quickly as i came, unfortunate TrollDespair
Just have to pass it on to my grandson and they will finish these games in their full glory
I really want to support Where It All Began, but the update is so slow that I hesitate...
I've said this before but:
I too have complained from time to time about Ocean's development choices. That said, I've come to recognize that we are sharing HIS development process. When he started this VN (which I much prefer over SG), he was utterly inexperienced in the tools and process used to produce a VN. Well, he learned a lot quite quickly, and at the same time for reasons at least somewhat beyond his control picked up the/his second VN when the original developer walked away. That VN proved much more popular that this one, but more to the point Ocean continued to explore tools and processes and to advance his skills both technically and as a writer.
For the record, I'm older than dirt, almost certainly one of the oldest folks in this thread. I have no expectation that either of Ocean's current VNs will be completed in my life time. However, I think that at some point Ocean may decide that he's learned all he can from developing the two VNs in question and will pause them to start his next one. Just maybe, he'll finish that one before I'm dust in the wind.
Patrons don't support a VN/game. They support a person. In this case they find Ocean worthy of support. Sure they may hope for the completion of one or the other of his current VNs, but the reality is they're supporting his development as an artist. No more and no less.
He does produce some truly fucking amazing stuff. So rather than winding each other up about the impossibility of these VNs completing, I suggest you just enjoy the ride.
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This is the first time I've seen in a VN where the developer gave the protagonist a gigachad face
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Really disappointed this was just abandoned, a MC that doesn't act like a child or a creep along with amazing visuals is probably like looking for needle in a haystack.
What are you talking about? Oceanlab is slow in development, but he still works on both games of his. That everybody wants a new/reworked part (depending on the game in question) soonest is a given, but Oceanlab´s biggest enemy is his own perfectionism.
Just read about his woes with finding the right music! Music in a porn game! I normally kill the sound when playing a porn game, it is very rare for me to keep the sound on, "Pale Carnations" is one of these exceptions, as is WIAB. Still, I would not be sad if Oceanlab would just slap something halfway decent of free music into WIAB and get it done with that part.
From first look it looked abandoned when I saw the first release was back in 2018 and last update was 6 months ago with there being about only 30-45 mins of content.
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Contributing to WIAB through a patreon contribution is an act of faith.
Is development slow? yes, it has been going on for several years and we are at the beginning again.
Will it take a long time to complete? Yes, at the current pace it will. Without speculating about likely improvements in development cycles.
Can it be abandoned? Yes, but like any project in this forum.
With a simple search, there are 14489 games in F95, if we discount the translations of Japanese games (a very different industry from the western one) there are 8791 projects. Finished? 2815
Abandoned? 2632.
Put on indefinite hiatus? 217
There are games that catch the public from the beginning and gain immense support even as the developer's first project, there are others that only with an established base and several completed games, gain "massive" support. And there are others that despite struggling hard, never reach popularity. With its successes and its mistakes, WIAB is there.
But also understand that if you support this project, you must be patient, this project has a sister, which was the little one, that took all the spotlight (much to my regret, WIAB is the game that caught me and in which I have put my grain of sand in the form of money).
And, at least I don't feel that Ocean is "milking" me, and I don't think any of the WIAB patreons feel that way either.
Lastly, to clarify, whoever subscribes, is not buying a game, keep that in mind; but in this particular case, since each game has its own patreon account, whoever subscribes will be supporting one of the two games.
Anyway, there are still some weeks left for Ocean to touch again something in the development of WIAB, once he completes the final version of SG chapter 4. Maybe it will be a month when the routine of a day and a day will be back, and maybe 30% of chapter 2 of WIAB is still to be completed.
Is development slow? yes, it has been going on for several years and we are at the beginning again.
Will it take a long time to complete? Yes, at the current pace it will. Without speculating about likely improvements in development cycles.
Can it be abandoned? Yes, but like any project in this forum.
With a simple search, there are 14489 games in F95, if we discount the translations of Japanese games (a very different industry from the western one) there are 8791 projects. Finished? 2815
Abandoned? 2632.
Put on indefinite hiatus? 217
There are games that catch the public from the beginning and gain immense support even as the developer's first project, there are others that only with an established base and several completed games, gain "massive" support. And there are others that despite struggling hard, never reach popularity. With its successes and its mistakes, WIAB is there.
But also understand that if you support this project, you must be patient, this project has a sister, which was the little one, that took all the spotlight (much to my regret, WIAB is the game that caught me and in which I have put my grain of sand in the form of money).
And, at least I don't feel that Ocean is "milking" me, and I don't think any of the WIAB patreons feel that way either.
Lastly, to clarify, whoever subscribes, is not buying a game, keep that in mind; but in this particular case, since each game has its own patreon account, whoever subscribes will be supporting one of the two games.
Anyway, there are still some weeks left for Ocean to touch again something in the development of WIAB, once he completes the final version of SG chapter 4. Maybe it will be a month when the routine of a day and a day will be back, and maybe 30% of chapter 2 of WIAB is still to be completed.
I don’t think Ocean’s milking this, but I think his creative process isn’t really working and isn’t sustainable in the long term. Having standards and ambition is good, but I think this level of “perfectionism” is really more of a flaw than any kind of positive trait.
I think if he’s to grow as a creator he needs to learn to make more concessions, because this whole business with the music is ridiculous to the point of parody.
I think if he’s to grow as a creator he needs to learn to make more concessions, because this whole business with the music is ridiculous to the point of parody.
Exactly! As I wrote a couple posts above, Oceanlab´s biggest enemy in making games is his extreme perfectionism. He has to accept that there are areas of game design were good enough is good enough for the game, for instance the music problem. There are multi-million AAA and top niche games from known developer teams with absolutely horrendous music, but they sell. Oceanlab makes erotic games, where music is even less a problem. Yes, it is super to have fitting music in the various games, like epic stuff for strategy of sci-fi games, but it is not a broken leg to have just acceptable music.