VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[Vixen ♀]

Hey Ocean, couple questions if don't mind me ask and that if I may, since it also involves more or less with SG in same universe or so.
1) While I like minimal, I respect your choice to not divide in such chaotic branches (meh when comes to think of) and less at same time keep as long constraint on the story plot. Have you considered adding certain mini games and/or more freeroam realism (like chat with them, do game night, funky with them, etcetera) whereas befriend to maintain entertainment suspense on par with adult elements? Doesn't necessary have to change with perspective on the story visual. I feel like, even without lewd this slowburn was still not enough to be felt wholeheartedly and in comfort zone with these characters or just missing something out. I guess that's why Naomi/Miru are there? Touche

2) Do you expect to hope or intend that relationship progress to be ambient and affective in a certain way with consequences when the story progress too? e.g. after college, mid-college semesters, home, outside, heated drama whereas in any area. I can only imagine that my feelings as MC would change in a unspeakable pathways and so does that with friendship, chapter after chapter, coping mechanics is definitely intriguing here.
3) In terms of storytelling, will be doing renewed interest and exposure flashback memories of antagonists during in near foreseen future? For some actions, that might remind past of choices MC made back then/now to let aside past destiny. Mistakes are not meant to be sinned repeatable

Now this is more of non-related but it kinda of goes this way,
4) Would both games be released anytime soon for official platforms such as Epic, Steam, GOG distributions? Have you in mind going for exclusivity if up to it?
5) If it's in process of Beta, have you considered opting out for early access or maybe just a [Beta] depot branch next to public release if comes to that?
I don't expect indefinite answer to these or whatever if you don't have legitimate answers yet and that's totally fine by me. Just want to let know I would be buying only that's fair that I've enjoyed with upmost joy of your game(s) as of rework and of course, in supporting you to continue doing so your vision towards AVN.

Moin, mit Liebe

 

[Euron13]

Ok .. why is there a NTR toggle? There is nothing even close to that in the game. I remember that the first version got some, but here I cant see anything. But maybe I missed something.

I wouldnt mind Miru getting some fun on her own without the MC knowing. Especially when you can say no to sex with her.
I dont really care about her, because she is way to perfect (except her small boobs) to be enjoyable for me (trained fighter, perceptive, intelligent, funny, gamer girl and a nympho ...) - especially with all the other highly attractive girls.

Another downside for me is the amount of girls - to much to fast. The game doesnt take any time to show the relationship at the MCs home. We spend a lot of time in the "prologue" with Miru and then the game throws hot chicks at you by the dozen.

I would prefer to have them trickle in at a lower pace and to get more time with each of them. I cant remember half their names, because there are so many and for no reason.

The writing is weird - way to "pretentious" and over dramatic at time. No one really talks - everyone is just saying stuff and dances around the "thing" and "the situation" ... with the high pace of new girls and the snail pace that the story is progressing, it just feels strange.

I don’t give a fuck about NTR or most of what you’ve said, but you have hit upon why I don’t particularly like Miru. She’s toned down a lot from the original version, but she still feels like a very unrealistic character, a typical “dream girlfriend”.

For the most part the rest of the characters feel like interesting fuck ups, and more realistic as a result.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

I don’t give a fuck about NTR or most of what you’ve said, but you have hit upon why I don’t particularly like Miru. She’s toned down a lot from the original version, but she still feels like a very unrealistic character, a typical “dream girlfriend”.

For the most part the rest of the characters feel like interesting fuck ups, and more realistic as a result.

I respectfully disagree although Miru is not my main girl I look forward to having her as just a friend i like

her

in fact although Leia is my one and only I fell in love with the entire family

one of my favorite scenes

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[mommysboiii]

So right now we are at chapter 2 and there is still 0 sign of any build up for NTR no matter how bad you treat Miru. Where are you going with this? I am not even talking about something so extreme like TAC. But there has to be some form of build up right?

I admit I was getting a little impatient and I understand that you want the story to be as realistic as possible. I still don't think the previous story was that bad and really enjoyed it though.

I dont even think you are into ntr or know what ntr is you are the same as harem fanbois you just wanna see love interest gets fucked/corrupted as fast as possible with most poeple as possible this is not ntr by the way

ntr always is about a very deep emotional connection and than getting betreayed but very slowly(a lot of build up) and you can use it for very good plot reasons/drama because this game is not a full focus ntr game

but slow ntr with deep emotional connection is real ntr(which is actually very tricky to do you need to be a very skilled writter to pull that off this is why 99% of ntr games suck at least the ones i played even if I LOVE THAT KINK) and it hurts so good so in my book this is a great thing so dont know your problem maybe you should watch a porn or play fast corruption game maybe that is more your thing

Query on this topic:
Will all NTR routes follow more or less the same logic?
Because reading that a certain character is going to have the longest NTR path, the first thing that came to my mind is that maybe that character could use jealousy as a way of punishment or to call attention.
Although she will probably be the one who has more "endurance" in the face of mistreatment, lies and deceit....

no spoilers for ntr mate pls ocean will be a 500iq storyteller (game of thrones moment incoming) so I want suprises

It might take a lot longer... But when it happens, you'll never forget it.

oh hell fucking yeah I am ready to get my heart torn into 1000 peaces a trauma for the next 20 years

If people want to know the problem with having ANY level of NTR they only need to look at those clamoring for it here in this thread. They don't care about character progress or mild levels that might make sense. They always want to jump straight to a line of dicks fucking a main LI/GF like Miru.


They are not compatible with any intelligent story

not really most of them dont understand what ntr is or they are not into ntr I would go even that far that a fast majority of games that have the ntr tag are not even ntr games

I dont wanna be mean but most porn/adult novel writers are not skilled enough to pull ntr off you need to be a very very very good writer to pull that off so ntr is not that great for amateur writers which most are on this site

 

[matschbirne]

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wich one,... tobey, andrew, tom ?!?

 

[Turret]

At the moment, nothing is more important than building a fundament for each of the characters, including Miru.
This is the wrong time to think about NTR.

Hi Ocean!
I agree with a lot of what you wrote in your last couple posts here in the thread and I really look forward to how the various characters and relationships will develop. (with our players input and/or not)
That said and I am sorry if this question was answered before, but I did not see it asked so I do: I am no harem player, never was, but in the case of WIAB I want ask if there is the option of a "throuple" or understanding, swinging, however you want to name it, between 3-4 characters a possible end?
Because even if there are a lot of changes in the relationships from old WIAB to new WIAB coming, going by your post, for example Willi´s deep feelings for Miru and Leia are obvious even now. I know that such a threesome relationship will be hard to get, but it would be great if such an option exists.

Beside that I am also very interested how the crime/mystery elements will develop.
Bye for now!

 

[Old Man Al]

...but she still feels like a very unrealistic character, a typical “dream girlfriend”.

...

What do you mean she "STILL feels like a dream girlfriend"? The old Miru was a fucking nympho girl-friend nightmare that dripped constantly from her pussy while doing (and saying) childish things. I felt nothing for her, but annoyed disgust.
The new Miru is another league, fuck she is not even the same sport.

 

[Euron13]

What do you mean she "STILL feels like a dream girlfriend"? The old Miru was a fucking nympho girl-friend nightmare that dripped constantly from her pussy while doing (and saying) childish things. I felt nothing for her, but annoyed disgust.
The new Miru is another league, fuck she is not even the same sport.

Ehh, you’ve misread my comment. She’s the same in the sense that she’s not a realistic character. Before she was an anime character on speed, now it’s gone so far in the other way. She’s “perfect”, the manic pixie dream girl trope and it all feels equally false to me.

 

[Old Man Al]

Ehh, you’ve misread my comment. She’s the same in the sense that she’s not a realistic character. Before she was an anime character on speed, now it’s gone so far in the other way. She’s “perfect”, the manic pixie dream girl trope and it all feels equally false to me.

Well I don't know about the new Miru being perfect. Imo that is just what you should have a partner in life for. Always having your back, even if it gets hard. They are not together for over 7 years per chance. I wouldn't want to play a guy that endured a girlfriend like the old Miru for years.

 

[Lurcher1]

Miru is far from perfect. She's impulsive and prone to jealousy. She can't seem to forgive Daphne for a, as yet, undetailed incident in the past. Through her antics, she's gotten the MC banned from several places before. Also, she's alluded to some skeletons in the closet with regards to her past. But that's no different from most people.

 

[mommysboiii]

What do you mean she "STILL feels like a dream girlfriend"? The old Miru was a fucking nympho girl-friend nightmare that dripped constantly from her pussy while doing (and saying) childish things. I felt nothing for her, but annoyed disgust.
The new Miru is another league, fuck she is not even the same sport.

I mean the new miru is still a nympho and sometimes has her gamer/funny moments so he stayed true to the orginal cheracter design which I like but he made miru feel more alive and way better/realistic written so yes new miru is miles better than old but she still has the same traits which is a good thing in my book

and I like the new jealousy alot has a lot of story potential too

 

[Old Man Al]

I mean the new miru is still a nympho and sometimes has her gamer/funny moments so he stayed true to the orginal cheracter design which I like but he made miru feel more alive and way better/realistic written so yes new miru is miles better than old but she still has the same traits which is a good thing in my book

and I like the new jealousy alot has a lot of story potential too

Well I wouldn't say Miru is a nympho. The game as for now is what? 2 or 3 days in? You can have sex with her 3 times at most in that time (or maybe 4, not sure). And while it is surely more than average after over 7 years being together I think it's still a far way from being nymphomatic. Plus aren't nymphomatic people have problems with really bonding with the people they have sex with? I don't see that lacking in Miru, at all.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I love the new Miru. Much hotter and more loveable. She has her issues, but that's more realistic. I love her dedication to MC.

 

[Euron13]

Well I don't know about the new Miru being perfect. Imo that is just what you should have a partner in life for. Always having your back, even if it gets hard. They are not together for over 7 years per chance. I wouldn't want to play a guy that endured a girlfriend like the old Miru for years.

I think there’s a good girlfriend, and then there’s what we have presented to us here with Miru. The nympho gamer girl who is also an incredible badass martial artist who is completely devoted to the main character? That feels like a power fantasy character.

Which isn’t unusual in this genre, but when you have a few other characters who’re more notably flawed and realistic (Katie for instance) makes Miru come across as a shallow character in comparison.

 

[CrazyRabbit]

I respectfully disagree although Miru is not my main girl I look forward to having her as just a friend i like

her

in fact although Leia is my one and only I fell in love with the entire family

one of my favorite scenes

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Better than Avengers, change my mind

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Better than Avengers, change my mind

 

[MarianTheSharkFace]

sorry to interrupt all this NTR and character discussion XD, i started a new game since it said that a new one was required and there is completely no audio. Is it normal? In the main menu there is audio

 

[Trasher2018]

Correct.

At the moment, nothing is more important than building a fundament for each of the characters, including Miru.
This is the wrong time to think about NTR.

[...]

And I think it's also worth mentioning that there's not just "Cheating NTR.".
Because cheating NTR needs the biggest amount of build-up to make it believable.

It's also not always about "punishment", etc.
Sometimes said person didn't act with any bad intention at all. They were just living their life without knowing it'd hurt someone... Or not caring, as they've got their own life to live.

[...]

At the moment, I'm nowhere near a Patrick Rothfuss.

Ok - so there will be "real" NTR and just "real" women that dont think the MC is the be all end all of humankind? Sounds good to me.

I were just confused because in the first version it was so fast and now we dont get any hint at it at all. I can wait - and NTR is not my main thing, but I like games that dont drown the MC in pussies but present you with a challenge or at least with options.

And there are not so many ppl like Rothfuss - so nothing to be sad about it ^^

I like both games (this and SG) but as I said, I think the amount of girls in this game is to high for the short duration - at least for me.

But keep up the great work

 

[Turret]

sorry to interrupt all this NTR and character discussion XD, i started a new game since it said that a new one was required and there is completely no audio. Is it normal? In the main menu there is audio

No, that is not normal! While there is a bit less music in the new version due to several reasons, you should hear it in a couple events. Has the update changed your options by itself? That can happen in some configurations.

 

[Muhammad Ayyas N]

Is this game finished or is another update coming?