VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[Coinzell]

Played ch. 2. Overall i like update and game but some things just...
Seems like ridiculous looks of new version of MC was not enough, and now he's a complete asshole as well. Hard to relate to that. Previous one was more mature at least. Agree with what Avaron said about him and Katie (same can be said for Leia), and what was overall said about writing (not in terms of the story but in terms how it's told).
Also don't really get Ocean obsession with spiders and bodybuilding in his work but whatever, i can take it as inside meme of Zane universe.

And one more thing that confusing me in particular - how many years have passed in between SG and WIAB?

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It should have been about 20 some years. But Stefan certainly doesn't look mid 40. Even 50 not enough. I mean his face doesn't look too old, but is he like dying his hair including facial in grey or what?

Anyway. Overall it was good to play it, with some "buts" and complaints, but still. Visual part is great nothing to say about it. Just wish that writing (at least the way story is told and dialogues) improved.

 

[Cabin Fever]

i know the full release of chapter 2 is already out, but here's a bug that occurred to me & i'm reporting it for the dev to iron out when he releases the next update in a year from now
it happened if you refused every opportunity to have sex with Miru including the good night fun
the next day during finger her/don't if you hit don't you get this bug

edit: i'm not sure weather Uncensor Patch is causing this or not but in the traceback there's a mention of patch.rpy which is the patch file ( i tried removing the patch file but i got a different bug) so maybe the patch needs updating! i don't know how this shit works ok

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/Patch.rpy", line 5530, in script
    if MiruFinger2x0 is True:
  File "game/Patch.rpy", line 5530, in <module>
    if MiruFinger2x0 is True:
NameError: name 'MiruFinger2x0' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "game/Patch.rpy", line 5530, in script
    if MiruFinger2x0 is True:
  File "renpy/ast.py", line 2115, in execute
    if renpy.python.py_eval(condition):
  File "renpy/python.py", line 1080, in py_eval
    return py_eval_bytecode(code, globals, locals)
  File "renpy/python.py", line 1073, in py_eval_bytecode
    return eval(bytecode, globals, locals)
  File "game/Patch.rpy", line 5530, in <module>
    if MiruFinger2x0 is True:
NameError: name 'MiruFinger2x0' is not defined

Windows-10-10.0.19041 AMD64
Ren'Py 7.5.1.22070801

This is a genuine bug. It's not caused by any mod.

 

[Ilhares]

Played ch. 2. Overall i like update and game but some things just...
Seems like ridiculous looks of new version of MC was not enough, and now he's a complete asshole as well. Hard to relate to that. Previous one was more mature at least. Agree with what Avaron said about him and Katie (same can be said for Leia), and what was overall said about writing (not in terms of the story but in terms how it's told).
Also don't really get Ocean obsession with spiders and bodybuilding in his work but whatever, i can take it as inside meme of Zane universe.

And one more thing that confusing me in particular - how many years have passed in between SG and WIAB?

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It should have been about 20 some years. But Stefan certainly doesn't look mid 40. Even 50 not enough. I mean his face doesn't look too old, but is he like dying his hair including facial in grey or what?

Anyway. Overall it was good to play it, with some "buts" and complaints, but still. Visual part is great nothing to say about it. Just wish that writing (at least the way story is told and dialogues) improved.

Some people do not age well. I started getting grey hair at 16. I am now 50, and while I do still grow dark hair, it's almost all on the top of my head, everything down to my neck has gone shiny silver. Thr facial hair is mixed but also mostly silver, and it's been like this for over 10 years.

Unlike my father and brothers, however, I still have all my hair. Those poor guys are heavily balding.

 

[Cabin Fever]

Hmm let me guess. Asian to you is only East Asian right (Korean, china and japan)?
You do realize South East Asia and Middle East exist? There's also South, west and central Asia? Are you perhaps a westerner?
To me, Miru is like SEA/central/south asian to me then East Asian (the one you only recognize).

All true in theory. However, Miru is supposed to have Japanese blood, not SEA/central/south asian blood.

 

[archedio]

All true in theory. However, Miru is supposed to have Japanese blood, not SEA/central/south asian blood.

Then he should say "Japanase", not Asian.

 

[Coinzell]

Some people do not age well. I started getting grey hair at 16. I am now 50, and while I do still grow dark hair, it's almost all on the top of my head, everything down to my neck has gone shiny silver. Thr facial hair is mixed but also mostly silver, and it's been like this for over 10 years.

Unlike my father and brothers, however, I still have all my hair. Those poor guys are heavily balding.

Hm, i guess you right, although it's not really widespread at that age, and still there should be some hairs of different colour, but well i guess it's just can be considered minor simplification due to daz limitations.

 

[Coinzell]

Then he should say "Japanase", not Asian.

It was said during update.

 

[archedio]

It was said during update.

What update? Are we talking about the same thing here?

 

[Coinzell]

What update? Are we talking about the same thing here?

Maybe there were other mentioning, don't want to check it fully
p.s. sorry didn't got what you meant initially, thought convo was about the game and not what other dude said.

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

All true in theory. However, Miru is supposed to have Japanese blood, not SEA/central/south asian blood.

she changed her race in remake.

 

[roxas4sora]

pregnancy? i didnt see someone pregnant.. did i miss??

 

[Turret]

Hmm let me guess. Asian to you is only East Asian right (Korean, china and japan)?
You do realize South East Asia and Middle East exist? There's also South, west and central Asia? Are you perhaps a westerner?
To me, Miru is like SEA/central/south asian to me then East Asian (the one you only recognize).

she changed her race in remake.

Nope, Miru was always Japanese ancestry, in both old and new WIAB. And I do not know why you see a SEA/CA/SA in her first? I have seen Japanese/Half-Japanese with a body/face structure like Miru has. I might be a European, but I can assure you I am pretty good in estimating the likely origin of Asians. Even without knowing beforehand that Miru is supposed to be of Japanese ancestry, I would not have estimated her SEA or even South Asian. I can guess why you might go for SEA, but definitely not South Asian. I think you underestimate the effect of her European ancestry share.

 

[Phoexist]

thanks, tried it i got an error upon opening the game. i will delete the patch and be done with it
i didn't know the patch even existed, played the first chapter without it until couple days ago when dl chapter 2 i noticed it and decided to try it to see what it does and it's basically incest so no problem

Sorry about that... Forgot the $ symbol. Edited the previous post.

 

[GypsyBastard]

I used to play the first few releases of this game back in the day, was really hopeful for the romance aspect of the game even when romance takes a backseat in most games that have a ntr route and is just there for mass appeal.

I haven't played the game after the rework but from what I've read in the thread this is kind of the case with this game (could be wrong) even when you can turn off the NTR option the romance seems to be there just to prop up the ntr aspects. My main gripe with games that have an option to hide/turn off ntr is that just knowing that a LI would cheat on the mc or people/situations that just kind of exist as a ntr trigger affects the romantic fantasy and makes it so people who are looking for that kind of thing can't fully immerse/invest themselves into the story. Personally I just think it would be better for developers that are looking to make an Romance/NTR game to just completely focus on one aspect and make either a pure NTR or romance game.

Probably going to give the game a fair shake to see if what I've read in the thread is accurate or if they are doomsayers.

 

[Manuya]

Sorry about that... Forgot the $ symbol. Edited the previous post.

Legend, i typed
init -1:
(4 spaces) $ MiruFinger2x0 = False
in notepad like you told me to do & renamed it to fix.rpy & it worked like a charm
Thank you for taking the time to provide your knowledge for me, much appreciated

 

[Turret]

I used to play the first few releases of this game back in the day, was really hopeful for the romance aspect of the game even when romance takes a backseat in most games that have a ntr route and is just there for mass appeal.

I haven't played the game after the rework but from what I've read in the thread this is kind of the case with this game (could be wrong) even when you can turn off the NTR option the romance seems to be there just to prop up the ntr aspects. My main gripe with games that have an option to hide/turn off ntr is that just knowing that a LI would cheat on the mc or people/situations that just kind of exist as a ntr trigger affects the romantic fantasy and makes it so people who are looking for that kind of thing can't fully immerse/invest themselves into the story. Personally I just think it would be better for developers that are looking to make an Romance/NTR game to just completely focus on one aspect and make either a pure NTR or romance game.

Probably going to give the game a fair shake to see if what I've read in the thread is accurate or if they are doomsayers.

Hi! I do not know what exactly you read in the thread here, but unavoidable NTR is bull...! You can toggle it on/off at game start and even if you leave it on, it depends on what YOU do (or not do) if NTR will happen. It wilol definitely not happen out of the blue or without reason.

 

[NewTricks]

I used to play the first few releases of this game back in the day, was really hopeful for the romance aspect of the game even when romance takes a backseat in most games that have a ntr route and is just there for mass appeal.

I haven't played the game after the rework but from what I've read in the thread this is kind of the case with this game (could be wrong) even when you can turn off the NTR option the romance seems to be there just to prop up the ntr aspects. My main gripe with games that have an option to hide/turn off ntr is that just knowing that a LI would cheat on the mc or people/situations that just kind of exist as a ntr trigger affects the romantic fantasy and makes it so people who are looking for that kind of thing can't fully immerse/invest themselves into the story. Personally I just think it would be better for developers that are looking to make an Romance/NTR game to just completely focus on one aspect and make either a pure NTR or romance game.

Probably going to give the game a fair shake to see if what I've read in the thread is accurate or if they are doomsayers.

I don't know what you have heard but even in the old game if you turned off NTR the NTR was indeed turned off. The NTR rivals did exist but they just never had any opportunities and/or motivation. The NTR when turned on only existed when you worked very, very, very, very hard to make it happen like rejecting sex from your girlfriend for days on end, cheating on her and letting her find out, or straight-up trading her to a prison boss so that you could have an easy time in the clink. So it wasn't as if it was a minefield of NTR trigger events so much as playing your MC like a total asshole. There isn't any NTR in the new version yet, but from what I have seen of how you can treat Miru I expect that it will be similar in this version.

 

[Turret]

I don't know what you have heard but even in the old game if you turned off NTR the NTR was indeed turned off. The NTR rivals did exist but they just never had any opportunities and/or motivation. The NTR when turned on only existed when you worked very, very, very, very hard to make it happen like rejecting sex from your girlfriend for days on end, cheating on her and letting her find out, or straight-up trading her to a prison boss so that you could have an easy time in the clink. So it wasn't as if it was a minefield of NTR trigger events so much as playing your MC like a total asshole. There isn't any NTR in the new version yet, but from what I have seen of how you can treat Miru I expect that it will be similar in this version.

Exactly. There will be Among the Love, Romance, Share,Friendship, Dislike and Hate paths will be toggle on/off NTR paths. Which as I and NewTricks mentioned in our posts above, even if NTR is left on, it will be to steer a very, very specific course for it to happen. You cannot simply stumble into it!
Switch on/off NTR paths are currently more or less confirmed for Miru and Leia, but I think for nearly all major LIs it will be possible. for those who want it.

 

[Porthas]

I used to play the first few releases of this game back in the day, was really hopeful for the romance aspect of the game even when romance takes a backseat in most games that have a ntr route and is just there for mass appeal.

I haven't played the game after the rework but from what I've read in the thread this is kind of the case with this game (could be wrong) even when you can turn off the NTR option the romance seems to be there just to prop up the ntr aspects. My main gripe with games that have an option to hide/turn off ntr is that just knowing that a LI would cheat on the mc or people/situations that just kind of exist as a ntr trigger affects the romantic fantasy and makes it so people who are looking for that kind of thing can't fully immerse/invest themselves into the story. Personally I just think it would be better for developers that are looking to make an Romance/NTR game to just completely focus on one aspect and make either a pure NTR or romance game.

Probably going to give the game a fair shake to see if what I've read in the thread is accurate or if they are doomsayers.

You can toggle an "open relationship" dialog with Miru as well as an NTR toggle in the game. I just turned off NTR and didn't go for the open relationship dialog with Miru. Their relationship stays nice and sweet if you do both of those, so far. I also don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. So the game - at this point - gets credit for that in my humble opinion.

 

[GypsyBastard]

You can toggle an "open relationship" dialog with Miru as well as an NTR toggle in the game. I just turned off NTR and didn't go for the open relationship dialog with Miru. Their relationship stays nice and sweet if you do both of those, so far. I also don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. So the game - at this point - gets credit for that in my humble opinion.

Alright cool that's really reassuring, I be checking out the latest version soon myself and am hopeful the romance/story stays good throughout the game. Wonder if you can switch partners/ go for a open relationship or end it without making Miru vengeful, kind of afraid that making those choices wil set up a ntr scene that just isn't shown to the player when ntr is turned off. This can still be doe well though, but I have experienced it majorly affecting the flow of other duel NTR/harem/romance games.