A bit odd though. As far as I can see in the remake, NTR seems to be one small part of a pretty diverse game. And it's even optional. How does that make WIAB less popular than SG? Was NTR a major cornerstone in the original WIAB? I seriously need to pick up SG to figure out what the hype is all about.
The concept is correct. It's definitely easier to get more patrons by taking the money from the music and spending it on rendering equipment to make the renders faster and provide quicker updates, and it will give Ocean more money to buy music. Obviously Ocean got the order of spending money wrong, but I've been used to him doing that for a long time
I don't know, but when the development speed of the two games is much different, it is obvious that the faster development speed of the game must be more popular
I think it's simply that people see the NTR tag and instantly ignore the game. I do that with sandbox games
Ntr was more prevalent in the earlier version but, even if it is a small part, some people won't even care to find out. As long as the tag is there they'll just bounce and look for something else. There's too many games nowadays, with so many options people can afford to just skip some games that have those tags you don't like.
The issue isn't just the tag for me but after a few years here you do notice that certain kinks will drive the story in a certain way, even if optional it effects how the other kinks play out narratively.
I dont think that this is the case their are so many games that are full corruption or ntr with big patreons and even lot of pornos like gangbang ,bukkake and all that kinky stuff its probably a mix of alot of things but I dont think that ntr = bad or ntr = not over 100 patreons rule exist
They tend to be different audiences. I like BAD and hate Fetish Locater.... both in the same genre but different kinks. Really it can be done with good writing but most seem to badly band aid the issues imo.
No one said ntr = bad. But it is a fact that it is a very divisive and niche tag so much that it needs to be made OPTIONAL if you even want a chance for your game to succeed. So good games with ntr will get good support like WIAB which has 458 patreons, which is pretty good. But compare it with SG, by the same dev, and it has 1400 which is 3 times more.
Yes, ntr games are a minority so supposedly they should be earning more, because they have less competition. But that doesn't really happen.
this is not even true lol there are ntr games and mangas that make a lot of money even huge porno sites with all their gangbang and bbc bukkake, bbc cheating .... and all that things its not niche at all
and?? this are solo example now I should mention all games that have ntr and make over 10.000 dollar a month?? or porno studios that make much money with the most kinkiest stuff ????
Porno studios making irl porn are totallly different than AVN. No point in bringing them up here. People just watch it to jack off and nothing else, thats why the focus is in the perverted actions. Theres no story, no characters, nothing, just the action.
its not your point was that ntr is always less sucessfull because people complelty avoid it and dosent have much fans (maybe because people compare their seiz too other people or are insecure or whatever reason) but than this would also happen in porn that people would avoid it also for the same reasons.
no this is just your claim with solo examples
if a big majority of people feel insecure in a VN over pixels they would also feel insecure about pixels in porn and the big budget high qualtie stuff also has a little bit of story stuff IF WE TALK ABOUT BIG BUDGET super high qualitie cameras
again you have solo examples I could do the same know and mention all sucessfull mangas with ntr tag and pornos and Visual novels that have ntr tag and are doing very creat but I will not do it because this examples with good and bad are on both sides and than we can talk back and forth forever
Why would people avoid gangbang or bbc stuff. You are not making any sense. Those kinks are not disliked by anyone. If you want to make a valid comparison then talk about the extreme cuck porn where the cuck eats the cum of the bull out of her wifes pussy. That is the porn that most might want to avoid, or maybe some scat or pegging. Gangbang,bbc, bukkake thats not "extreme" porn or niche, thats everyday stuff. You are comparing apples and oranges
No, thats my claim with two examples of devs offering both options having two different outcomes. You can look for even more examples. Like the dev for Golden Boy that has recently removed all ntr from his game in order to try and gain more support. But no matter how many examples I brought up you will keep in denial so, it is pointless.
No, dude. Do I really have to explain the difference between an avn and real porn?
I didnt say ntr games couldnt do well, I said they could. But never as good as non ntr games.
this are not even good written or super complex games and you proof my point with this that it has more to do with luck and be at the right time at the right place and a little bit of skill.
They are good by porn game standards, both in visuals and story. But there are ntr games with similar quality or even much better renders that dont make even half . And thats no luck, thats always the losers excuse.
Yes, those games you mentioned are doing good, thats what I said, the ntr games can do good but not top money.
Statistically if there are less ntr games then they should be doing much better economically than non ntr games. Because the target audience of non ntr games would be scattered around many different non ntr games. Thats how supply and demand works. And that shows that the non ntr audience is so huge that it can sustain the vast majority of games and even the top earning ones. In contrast the ntr audience struggles even with their limited options and have to be helped by those who dont care about ntr as long as it is avoidable.
dude what do you consider top notch money most of this games I mentiont make over 10.000 dollars a month(thisa re like top 1% of creators) do you have any idea how much that is for a niche thing like EROTIC VISUAL NOVELS there are like 3 or 5 guys that make your 50 k number a month because they build a LOYAL FANBASE at the start of this site THEY GOT LUCKY most people are not insecure or write in this forum at all they dont care what they jerk of too they were the first there are plenty of guys that have good renders and are the same like the games you mentioned harem with better renders that make maybe 1000 bucks a month
I do and I have stated why. NTR is a low share of the market in every aspect and to the majority of the userbase is a turn off.dude what do you consider top notch money most of this games I mentiont make over 10.000 dollars a month(thisa re like top 1% of creators) do you have any idea how much that is for a niche thing like EROTIC VISUAL NOVELS there are like 3 or 5 guys that make your 50 k number a month because they build a LOYAL FANBASE at the start of this site THEY GOT LUCKY most people are not insecure or write in this forum at all they dont care what they jerk of too they were the first there are plenty of guys that have good renders and are the same like the games you mentioned harem with better renders that make maybe 1000 bucks a month
why do you think companys try to make mass effect 69 and assasins creed 20 and not new ips?? becasue they build a loyal fanbase and its risky to start new ip even with most skilled devs in the world and endless money in the world
most people dont care about optional ntr they just like the cheracters and build a connection with the community and cheracters they would still simp over there bad dig cheracters even with optional ntr
