VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[yossa999]

I really have a big problem to understand "NTR" correctly, so I am of the opinion it means cheating.

Of course I would never want to see other men on my girl, but what about other women? I read something about Lesbian NTR.

If my girl makes out with other girls it would not bother me is that the NTR ?

Sorry but in Germany maybe 5% would share their girl with other guys but I think 80% would like a bi girlfriend.

I have now in the game NTR on on as long as no man goes to my girlfriend, but if I set it to off comes no girl to my girlfriend ?

I recently had the same problem, without even knowing I had one. But I started wondering after they called me a cuck for not giving a fuck about a girl in one game who found herself a dick other than MC's because me with my MC did not like her and had no love interest in her
I myself don't really care about this crap, whether there is NTR in the game or not, I believe it's up to the game devs, if they feel it's necessery for their story, I'm ok with that. But when you hear about NTR, be 90% sure that this is not about a classic netorare, it's not a cheating or stealing a LI from MC they are talking about. And lately it becomes more and more annoying that the self-proclaimed anti-NTR police are checking almost every decent game and issuing fines to the devs that, in their opinion, do not fully comply with theirs own anti-NTR standards.
So after reading tons of posts from different people in different threads, I finally found the most honest and straightforward definition of this shit that many people have in mind by these three letters but for some reason do not say directly. I don't post a direct quote from other game thread here, but it's easy to find

I see this all the time in threads. The truth is that an NTR-hater doesn't care what NTR really means. They could care less. It's just a word for when they don't get all the women as LIs. All of them.

For an NTR-hater (I include myself in this category), NTR means this: "I don't want to see any dicks in the game that aren't the MC's. None. Not as flashbacks, not as dreams, never. And I want all the LIs. No one else touches them."

I know this doesn't reflect real life, but if I wanted real life I'd turn off my laptop and walk outside.

 

[Dragon59]

There you are not alone. Sometimes I feel like there are as many definitions of NTR as there are stars in the sky. But for the sake of simplicity, cheating describes it pretty well. There are just a lot of different perceptions of what cheating is. I recently played a game (The Lust City) where one of the LIs rode a dildo and there were actually some complete idiots who took that as NTR and cried about it.

Hard to believe that there are still guys jealous of/intimidated by dildos in 2023.
EDIT: Apparently I found one.

 

[Vopeco]

Fair point, not that anyone addressed my point about the writing .... but I guess that must be crying in some weird way.

Either the story works as a Solo or they write a NTR plot... that is the beginning, end and only issue with NTR and Solo development.

Next person to bang on about people complaining about NTR without addressing my very simple point can save us all time and don't even bother to reply

People just seem more interested in attempting to psychologize people around here or project motives onto them, but you bring up a good point. I don't think the issue you bring up is necessarily about NTR either. I've played games where simply lines of dialogue get left behind that don't make sense for the playthrough you're doing. When you have a girl that is there to fulfill a certain kink or play a particular role, as in she just has one route, it makes things simple, when you have a girl that has multiple routes it definitely complicates things for Devs, especially when there's multiple girls in the game that have to be tracked with multiple choices for them all. I've seen it time and time again that writing and consistency goes down the drain in the latter example, and as you say things can seem out of place because the same line of dialogue that was meant for another route is used again in a route where it wouldn't really make sense. Guess we'll have to wait and see when it comes to WIAB. I didn't really give a shit about the NTR because it was only Miru and I don't care about her or have any plans to do her route anyways, but I'm a little disappointed the NTR will branch out to other girls too. It could create a mess for people not trying to do NTR. The game already warns characters will act less realistically with NTR turned completely off, whatever that means, don't know if that's a good sign honestly.

 

[Vopeco]

Or it could be the fact that SG is way better written and has better characters. Not trying to hate WiAB, it is what it is. I dont think SG even has sex scenes. Keeping people interested despite the lack of it says a lot.

Yea it's certainly probably multiple things, I think however, there is a chunk of people that will simply see the NTR tag and skip it. It doesn't appeal to a lot of guy players or make them aroused, like picking your favorite girl or any other fetish, some will like and some won't.

 

[Ass Fan]

Yea it's certainly probably multiple things, I think however, there is a chunk of people that will simply see the NTR tag and skip it. It doesn't appeal to a lot of guy players or make them aroused, like picking your favorite girl or any other fetish, some will like and some won't.

 

[Ass Fan]

Yes, that's basically it, I don't care about this tag myself, the important thing is to have the choice when it happens like the old Miru I didn't care for her but now the new version I like even though she's a little weirder and sexually open
but like you said some will like it or not.

 

[mommysboiii]

and this is why I always say WIAB has way more story potential in the future than SG

you can have a way more interesting plot ,worthy rivals,more believable world (people be in a relationship,......),jealousy,intrigues

and in SG you will get all this problems what are you doing on college partys? what are you doing with rivals? remove them make them weak and not a threat from the start? all intrigues involve only women?partys only women are alowed plus mc ? and than you have very fast a only women campus

I am telling you WIAB has more potential to be way more interesting and have a highter tension curve like a good book or tv show after a cliffhanger and you are tied to the screen waiting for the next update from ocean tarantino

if done right 100% sure

 

[Nikko_]

and this is why I always say WIAB has way more story potential in the future than SG

you can have a way more interesting plot ,worthy rivals,more believable world (people be in a relationship,......),jealousy,intrigues

and in SG you will get all this problems what are you doing on college partys? what are you doing with rivals? remove them make them weak and not a threat from the start? all intrigues involve only women?partys only women are alowed plus mc ? and than you have very fast a only women campus

I am telling you WIAB has more potential to be way more interesting and have a highter tension curve like a good book or tv show after a cliffhanger and you are tied to the screen waiting for the next update from ocean tarantino

if done right 100% sure

What are you on? WIAB is not bad, but SG writing is 2 tiers above it. Do you have a mother and sisters? Dude, all your family and friends who grew up with you wanting to fuck you is fantasy-land. It is not believable at all.
And is Miru kicking anybody's ass believable? Is having so many voluptuous girls believable? Are MC´s relationships believable? Is the secret-keeping believable?
In SG there is only the "stepsister" who weirdly wants to sleep with the MC, but even that is more believable as they both are young and adopted. And the rest of the girls interested is plausible in that environment when a guy is a 10(male-model type).

It is fine to like WiAB more, I just disagree on how you see it. I also cant figure out a scenario where the "big mistery" of what happened to the mom pays out. She didnt die, she wasnt hurt. She has become, but without any other signs of PTSD.

 

[Fun Shaundi]

and in SG you will get all this problems what are you doing on college partys? what are you doing with rivals? remove them make them weak and not a threat from the start? all intrigues involve only women?partys only women are alowed plus mc ? and than you have very fast a only women campus

SG's story has barely started and you're already making assumptions. Nn WiAB we can have a general idea of what it could potentially happen because the original version had more chapters, but you're already assuming that SG's MC will only have to deal with problems at 'college parties' that rivals are 'not a threat from the start'. and 'all intrigues only involve women'.

The writing is good, the dialogue is good, the story (despite having fantastic telenovelesque elements) is good and plausible so far. It's not that WiAB has more potential, but they both do in different ways (Wiab is more focused in having a 'chad' mature MC who can't help himself around ladies, while SG has a teen MC who is struggling mentally and so far isn't that interested or urged to have something with a girl).
You're almost treating it as if they didn't have the same dev.

 

[mommysboiii]

SG's story has barely started and you're already making assumptions. Nn WiAB we can have a general idea of what it could potentially happen because the original version had more chapters, but you're already assuming that SG's MC will only have to deal with problems at 'college parties' that rivals are 'not a threat from the start'. and 'all intrigues only involve women'.

The writing is good, the dialogue is good, the story (despite having fantastic telenovelesque elements) is good and plausible so far. It's not that WiAB has more potential, but they both do in different ways (Wiab is more focused in having a 'chad' mature MC who can't help himself around ladies, while SG has a teen MC who is struggling mentally and so far isn't that interested or urged to have something with a girl).
You're almost treating it as if they didn't have the same dev.

What are you on? WIAB is not bad, but SG writing is 2 tiers above it. Do you have a mother and sisters? Dude, all your family and friends who grew up with you wanting to fuck you is fantasy-land. It is not believable at all.
And is Miru kicking anybody's ass believable? Is having so many voluptuous girls believable? Are MC´s relationships believable? Is the secret-keeping believable?
In SG there is only the "stepsister" who weirdly wants to sleep with the MC, but even that is more believable as they both are young and adopted. And the rest of the girls interested is plausible in that environment when a guy is a 10(male-model type).

It is fine to like WiAB more, I just disagree on how you see it. I also cant figure out a scenario where the "big mistery" of what happened to the mom pays out. She didnt die, she wasnt hurt. She has become, but without any other signs of PTSD.

I can understand that both of you like SG more maybe you like the cheracters more or whatever reason but I am telling you that I life not in a fantasy world take a good rated tv show, movie ,book ....... for example game of thones cut every prostitute scene ,male intrigues ,better looking rival ,other guys that is in a relationship,red wedding ,.....and all this scenes ALOT take all this things out of the show and I garantee you that it would not even close to have this big of a tension curve at all SO NO I DEFINITLY DONT LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD

ofc you have way more story potential if you can do all this things that you can 100% not do in some of the big games that certain to a certain audience so YES I am 100% sure that WIAB has more potential I am not saying that WIAB is using this potential because I dont have a glass ball and can look in the future

 

[Donettes]

I can understand that both of you like SG more maybe you like the cheracters more or whatever reason but I am telling you that I life not in a fantasy world take a good rated tv show, movie ,book ....... for example game of thones cut every prostitute scene ,male intrigues ,better looking rival ,other guys that is in a relationship,red wedding ,.....and all this scenes ALOT take all this things out of the show and I garantee you that it would not even close to have this big of a tension curve at all SO NO I DEFINITLY DONT LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD

ofc you have way more story potential if you can do all this things that you can 100% not do in some of the big games that certain to a certain audience so YES I am 100% sure that WIAB has more potential I am not saying that WIAB is using this potential because I dont have a glass ball and can look in the future

In short, WIAB has more potential than SG not because of the story each game will tell, how it will play out, their setup or characters, but because one of them has a NTR switch and that route is more interesting to you because of what could unfold (male rivals, jealousy, etc). Understandable, but you can't put that as an absolute argument. We'll also see topics such as jealousy in SG or here even with the NTR switch in off.
Both games have great potential, with their pros and cons. Let's see how Ocean develops them and hopefully we can see the end of what he wants to tell us.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

In short, WIAB has more potential than SG not because of the story each game will tell, how it will play out, their setup or characters, but because one of them has a NTR switch and that route is more interesting to you because of what could unfold (male rivals, jealousy, etc). Understandable, but you can't put that as an absolute argument. We'll also see topics such as jealousy in SG or here even with the NTR switch in off.
Both games have great potential, with their pros and cons. Let's see how Ocean develops them and hopefully we can see the end of what he wants to tell us.

I really enjoyed both titles so far. I do have some concerns with WIAB's direction. The MC seems to be pushing the open relationship against Miru's wishes, that could send the story down a dark path. The second thing is the story seems to be headed towards a family fuckfest which would be rather disappointing and ruin the story for me. Hopefully I am reading too much in to things.

 

[dervalle007]

I really enjoyed both titles so far. I do have some concerns with WIAB's direction. The MC seems to be pushing the open relationship against Miru's wishes, that could send the story down a dark path. The second thing is the story seems to be headed towards a family fuckfest which would be rather disappointing and ruin the story for me. Hopefully I am reading too much in to things.

Yeah i'm ok with the leia relationship, there's something hot about that but the rest doesn't have to be. Especially not with this land whale of a mother playing this childish silent game.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Hard to believe that there are still guys jealous of/intimidated by dildos in 2023.

To be honest, some of them very intimidating.

 

[Cabin Fever]

And is Miru kicking anybody's ass believable?

A trained martial artist kicking regular folks' ass? Why isn't that believable?

Are MC´s relationships believable?

How are the relationships in SG more believable? The "enemy" falling for the MC isn't any more believable.

Is the secret-keeping believable?

Is it any worse than the mystery of Summer's disappearance and how everybody subsequently tip-toed around it, and Nami's admitted involvement in it? Or how Nami is so hare-brained that she believed wearing a rival school's uniform is the right thing to do on the first day of school?

In SG there is only the "stepsister" who weirdly wants to sleep with the MC, but even that is more believable as they both are young and adopted. And the rest of the girls interested is plausible in that environment when a guy is a 10(male-model type).

You haven't talk to that many girls have you? One girl's perfect 10 is another girl's must-avoid 0. There is literally no single male in the world that attracts every girl.

It is fine to like WiAB more, I just disagree on how you see it. I also cant figure out a scenario where the "big mistery" of what happened to the mom pays out. She didnt die, she wasnt hurt. She has become, but without any other signs of PTSD.

It is fine to like SG more, and it's fine that you disagree on how people see it. But this is entirely subjective so, one could just as easily ask, what are you on?

 

[darkslide5006]

its been so long. whats the news? when's the update?

 

[Nikko_]

"A trained martial artist kicking regular folks' ass? Why isn't that believable?

Because we are talking about a somewhat small asian girl, which you conveniently left out. Before the remake she knocked out the MC and some other bigger dude. IRL to even have a chance the girl would have to be a very good ufc fighter at least.

How are the relationships in SG more believable? The "enemy" falling for the MC isn't any more believable.

Like I wrote they are more believable in its environment(college), WiAB characters are older. And I've witnessed myself, had a friend so handsome that even female teachers would act weird around him. As for MCs enemy falling for him.. it was just a dumb beef between teenagers that the participants made serious because they are a bit fucked in the head. It was nothing that you cannot come back from. And it wasn't love at first sight, Ocean built that relationship and did make it believable.

Is it any worse than the mystery of Summer's disappearance?

Yes, the mother just went mute. Like I wrote she is completely fine without even signs of PTSD. Why do you even try to compare someones disappearance with a person just going mute.

There is literally no single male in the world that attracts every girl.

MC is not attracting every single girl, just a lot of them. And while very rare, it can happen in school and college. Is not as if these girls have asked MC to fuck them, they are mostly getting close to the MC and doing their version of flirting. And that is how it works IRL. Like I wrote above I've witnessed it, but not in my more adult life (WiAB setting).

what are you on?

It used to be called common sense. Incest stories where your relatives fall for you are like fairy-tales. So when somebody tried to place it as more believable I felt compelled to reply.

 

[Turret]

I really enjoyed both titles so far. I do have some concerns with WIAB's direction. The MC seems to be pushing the open relationship against Miru's wishes, that could send the story down a dark path. The second thing is the story seems to be headed towards a family fuckfest which would be rather disappointing and ruin the story for me. Hopefully I am reading too much in to things.

I think you read too much into things. Willi does not push overly for the open relationship against Miru´s wishes, she herself is aware of her very high libido and depending on several choices Miru can also be rather exited about it.
Second there will be no family fuckfest coming in WIAB. Ocean dislikes Harem games and a "throuple" is the max possible and rare. So e.g. Miru/Leia would be a possibility, but all threesomes are not that easy to get.
In addition, while the Zane family holds together when the weather outside is rough, there are problems and feuds which will not be forgotten, even if the MC wants to solve them.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I think you read too much into things. Willi does not push overly for the open relationship against Miru´s wishes, she herself is aware of her very high libido and depending on several choices Miru can also be rather exited about it.
Second there will be no family fuckfest coming in WIAB. Ocean dislikes Harem games and a "throuple" is the max possible and rare. So e.g. Miru/Leia would be a possibility, but all threesomes are not that easy to get.
In addition, while the Zane family holds together when the weather outside is rough, there are problems and feuds which will not be forgotten, even if the MC wants to solve them.

Good to know, I'd rather your scenario for sure

 

[Turret]

Good to know, I'd rather your scenario for sure

Thanks! Ocean himself stated that he dislikes harem, he wants his games closer to reality and so you will have to choose with whom you want to be together. As said, threesome relationships are possible, but not so easy to get.
While you might can get into bed with several girls for fun, if you want a relationship with Miru, Leia, Zoey, Dana, etc. you will have to work on these relationships. Meaning, you will likely just gain enough stats and traits for 2 of them to be in a longtime relationship.
So a swooning harem is not in the cards.