VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[yossa999]

Ocean's quality is very good. But let's not pretend he is the only one able to reach that level. Off the top of my head I can say that Dokiden with its Dreamland release is clearly superior. Then there is BecomeARockstar, LSS, Interwined, Race of Life, Chasing Sunsets, Helping the Hotties, Unbroken, etc. from where one could debate some are better, other similar in terms of renders.
I am not going to start counting renders, but given the amount of time it takes to go thru each game Id say most devs producing quality renders are doing better than Ocean. Of course Ocean stupid remakes to change boob size and shit play against him. But that's on him.

Damn, man, you're really putting me in a tough spot. I just got out of a ban for violating the fourth rule for on-topic threads in another game thread. I don't want to be banned here too.

Let's just say I follow most of the games you mentioned, love most of them, and can only point out two that come close to Ocean's games in terms of graphics quality and artistic level. And only one of those close enough as a whole package of graphics, plot, music, characters, relationship building and other game aspects.

And yeah, most of them are bigger than the new WIAB, and that's the problem.
sorco2003 already gave me a hard time for that I view both games as one unit, I follow both and appreciate updates to each equally. But many of you here are not interested in SG and do not share this view of both games. So my post about the number of renders and development time is valid for the whole Ocean's work, but not for the WIAB alone. And yeah, from WIAB's perspective, its development is too slow for the amount of content he delivers.

So yes, let's not pretend. At the current pace, WIAB itself is a very slow updated game, which is frustrating. I can only hope that with the release of SG on Steam, some new possibilities will appear. Perhaps funds can be found to hire someone to work full-time on WIAB or something like that. I wouldn't want him to give up any of his games.

 

[McGreed]

Ocean's quality is very good. But let's not pretend he is the only one able to reach that level. Off the top of my head I can say that Dokiden with its Dreamland release is clearly superior. Then there is BecomeARockstar, LSS, Interwined, Race of Life, Chasing Sunsets, Helping the Hotties, Unbroken, etc. from where one could debate some are better, other similar in terms of renders.
I am not going to start counting renders, but given the amount of time it takes to go thru each game Id say most devs producing quality renders are doing better than Ocean. Of course Ocean stupid remakes to change boob size and shit play against him. But that's on him.

Shoutout to Unbroken, but realistically speaking no one comes close to Philly (CoBD) and Ocean at this moment, those two are still a few levels above. It would be easy to compare each of mentioned games to these two devs, but those debates will be deleted almost immediately as off-topic.

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

Ocean's quality is very good. But let's not pretend he is the only one able to reach that level. Off the top of my head I can say that Dokiden with its Dreamland release is clearly superior. Then there is BecomeARockstar, LSS, Interwined, Race of Life, Chasing Sunsets, Helping the Hotties, Unbroken, etc. from where one could debate some are better, other similar in terms of renders.
I am not going to start counting renders, but given the amount of time it takes to go thru each game Id say most devs producing quality renders are doing better than Ocean. Of course Ocean stupid remakes to change boob size and shit play against him. But that's on him.

None of the games you mentioned are on par with the render quality of SG/WIAB.

 

[Kassandara]

None of the games you mentioned are on par with the render quality of SG/WIAB.

I'd say Dreamland is quite on par with Ocean's work (render quality wise) but wouldn't really say they are doing better than Ocean with amount of renders they put out. I think it takes like 30 minutes to play the content available, and don't even get me started with the writing.

And well my signature speaks for itself

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

I'd say Dreamland is quite on par with Ocean's work (render quality wise) but wouldn't really say they are doing better than Ocean with amount of renders they put out. I think it takes like 30 minutes to play the content available, and don't even get me started with the writing.

And well my signature speaks for itself

I'll have to play through Dreamland, but based on the preview renders, I disagree.

Unbroken/ROL are great stories, and have some above average character renders but the environments are empty and lifeless, and the lighting can be quite mediocre at times.

 

[Kassandara]

Unbroken/ROL are great stories, and have some above average character renders but the environments are empty and lifeless, and the lighting can be quite mediocre at times.

Good point, those are just something that comes close to Ocean in my opinion, maybe RoL a bit more..

I'll have to play through Dreamland, but based on the preview renders, I disagree.

Honestly wouldn't even recommend it meself


But yeah this is getting too off-topic. I need update and see Daphne

 

[Wolf312]

The new milfy city

 

[Ayhsel]

Off the top of my head I can say that Dokiden with its Dreamland release is clearly superior. Then there is BecomeARockstar, LSS, Interwined, Race of Life, Chasing Sunsets, Helping the Hotties, Unbroken, etc. from where one could debate some are better, other similar in terms of renders.

I haven't played a couple of those, so of those I cannot talk about.

But there is absolutely no way you can convince anyone with eyes that Become a Rockstar, Long Story Short, Chasing Sunsets have better renders than Ocean's. I am not talking as a fanpire (vampire version of fan boy). It is that obvious at clear view.

You can complain about Ocean's speed. This is very valid! I have myself mentioned in several post how I would prefer Ocean would stop on the quality race and start investing effort and computing power on speed, given that quality has already reached more than a dimishing rate of return.

But no, none of the games you mentioned that I have played has this level of visual quality. Period.

 

[faramata]

The new milfy city

Wait, next he'll be making the switch to Blender.

 

[Nikko_]

I haven't played a couple of those, so of those I cannot talk about.

But there is absolutely no way you can convince anyone with eyes that Become a Rockstar, Long Story Short, Chasing Sunsets have better renders than Ocean's. I am not talking as a fanpire (vampire version of fan boy). It is that obvious at clear view.

You can complain about Ocean's speed. This is very valid! I have myself mentioned in several post how I would prefer Ocean would stop on the quality race and start investing effort and computing power on speed, given that quality has already reached more than a dimishing rate of return.

But no, none of the games you mentioned that I have played has this level of visual quality. Period.

To me, Oceans Vns are among the best in terms of visual quality, but they are not the most visually appealing. There is more to visual quality than high res models and high textures, which are the 2 things Ocean excels at. Some others are better with their lighting, color palette, art-style, backgrounds, etc. But I am not going to try to convince anybody. You like what you like.

 

[Ayhsel]

To me, Oceans Vns are among the best in terms of visual quality, but they are not the most visually appealing. There is more to visual quality than high res models and high textures, which are the 2 things Ocean excels at. Some others are better with their lighting, color palette, art-style, backgrounds, etc. But I am not going to try to convince anybody. You like what you like.

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree with your statement in that visual quality is more than high res models and high textures.

I just think the candidates you chose to support your claim, specifically the ones I mentioned, other ones I don't know, are not particularly impressive.

 

[Matt2012021]

Everyone has different likes and taste to compare one against a bunch of over VN is just dumb me personally I will take a great story over a average story with great looks

 

[rj677]

Oceans biggest drawback is his perfectionist nature, causing him to constantly want to polish everything to the Nth degree and not being happy with previous work.

Well... If you would have told a couple of years ago that Oceans biggest drawback was just the fact that he was a perfectionist, I would have 100% agreed with you. And with that I mean the time where Ocean took over Summer Gone (SG), the time when he did his first rework of SG (the one right after taking over) and when he started to question the story and direction of WIABs pre-rework state.

However, right now, theres more to it than just perfectionism in my opinion. He kept his perfectionistic ways but then another thing started to be more apparent unfortunately.

In my opinion, Oceans biggest flaw is funnily enough one of his biggest strengths and one of the reasons why he grew so much in popularity in such a short amount of time: Ocean is a "People Pleaser".

That wouldnt be a bad thing necessarily, but here it is because Ocean wants to please EVERYONE at the same time: He wants to please SG fans, he wants to please WIAB fans, he wants to please the fans of both (patreons), he wants to please himself... Unless someone is living in a different reality/timeline than me, its IMPOSSIBLE to please EVERYONE at the same time. Sure you can try, but something eventually has to "give"... Unfortunately for us WIAB fans, the something that "gives" seems to always be WIAB.

Then, when you add People pleasing to his already established Perfectionistic nature, you essentially come up with a vicious cycle. For example: He wants everything to be perfect and takes his time. People start complaining about the waiting times. He tries to pick up the pace. Replays what he did, doesnt like it and has to change what he just done. and so on... (Just an example, since you could apply it to everything he did in the last year unfortunately).

Those 2 aspects arent gonna change, so all we can do is cope for the better... Which in the case of WIAB is getting increasingly tougher unfortunately.

 

[Tacofries]

The story is this game was so all over the place the last time I played it, wish he'd drop it for SG. Renders amazing sure, but after you got to the house it was just a shitshow. Tbf I never played the previous edition of the game so idk any of the "lore" or w.e but thats the point, new player and shit was just "but why", "huh" and lot of pacing issues imo.

 

[sorco2003]

The story is this game was so all over the place the last time I played it, wish he'd drop it for SG. Renders amazing sure, but after you got to the house it was just a shitshow. Tbf I never played the previous edition of the game so idk any of the "lore" or w.e but thats the point, new player and shit was just "but why", "huh" and lot of pacing issues imo.

So the same as what was thought of SG in its first 2 chapters?

 

[yossa999]

So the same as what was thought of SG in its first 2 chapters?

Ladies and gentlemen, get ready for our Sunday weekly battle of SG vs WIAB.

 

[sorco2003]

Ladies and gentlemen, get ready for our Sunday weekly battle of SG vs WIAB.

No no no no... it's not my intention, just that if you're going to compare, you should compare on equal points... Everyone in this thread knows that WIAB is better!

 

[Quackers13]

Jesus! If you want somebody to read all that text, I suggest you bring something more than pretty pictures and vanilla sex with a girlfriend. Halfway through the first chapter, I'm just skipping text to see if anything ever happens. Nope! The mom is kind of a weird character, though. (But the Timestamps model was better looking.)

It's not terrible writing, but if that's all you've got to show so far, I wish I had the last hour back.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Jesus! If you want somebody to read all that text, I suggest you bring something more than pretty pictures and vanilla sex with a girlfriend. Halfway through the first chapter, I'm just skipping text to see if anything ever happens. Nope! The mom is kind of a weird character, though. (But the Timestamps model was better looking.)

It's not terrible writing, but if that's all you've got to show so far, I wish I had the last hour back.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Everyone in this thread knows that WIAB is better!