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Uh, I could use a clue about couple things. Did the main character leave his family during a difficult time? Did they have a fight or something? It feels weird, nothing is clear, the protagonist is missing somewhere ( but where?), the sisters are mad at him, but the parents are not. He was hiding the fact that he went to jail, but why?
I don't know, but the whole mystery thing doesn't add up to believing the story.
And how old is William and how old is the Leia?
Alright, I've been drinking all day and honestly don't remember everything 100% from the original version... but here's my run down. Anyone else can feel free to correct me:

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Alright, I've been drinking all day and honestly don't remember everything 100% from the original version... but here's my run down. Anyone else can feel free to correct me:

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thanks, I didn't play the original version and now it makes more sense. I was pretty sure about William and Leia's relationship, but not 100%.
Honestly, there's not much logic in leaving. You love her, she loves you. That's it. No one leaves like that to go somewhere without the girl they love in that situation. Yes, it's a sister, but you can deal with the issue somehow, the parents don't seem like some kind of tyrants. You could put the relationship on pause and stuff but see her every day.

Although maybe he changed his mind after a some short time and decided to come back, but he got locked up for something. Maybe he was emotional and did some crazy things to forget his sister.
 

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Old (MC = humiliated Katie, put a plug in her ass, at the beginning of the game he even threw things at her in the bar, as a bonus he got a blowjob in the camp vehicle.)

New (MC = gets insulted by her straight away, and doesn't do anything.)
In addition to the fact the old Katie was a bitch which had been a menace to the MC, while this one basically is the victim of the MC & Leia that hardly ever done anything wrong, while she does mention supposedly that she had done some wrong, considering most of the story of this new version revolved around the MC getting hammered from every directions for his supposed wrongs.

To me it seem like the Dev fell in love with Katie and decided to make her the effective main protagonist, so he stripped 99% of all wrongs she did from the original, and made all she did justified while utterly trashing the MC for daring to hurt his precious Katie. Frankly I'd say while overall I prefer the graphics of this version I preferred the story of the old version, it felt more sensible, instead of being hammered from the start about how bad the MC had been you instead slowly discovered it, which make sense considering the story is supposed to be from his point of view, so he came to term with the fact he had messed things up with Katie slowly overtime, unlike this version that just smash your face with it, it make it much harder to empathize with the MC, which is you know... the MC, and instead everything is centered around empathizing with Katie.

Also I don't like the changes in personality Leia went thru, I mean in the previous version it seemed obvious she was making a play for the MC, it was one of the driving force for having him back, which make sense, also you slowly discovered that she was involved in some shady stuff, this one... she is incredibly spiteful... considering the story still has her be the one to call on the MC it feels contradictory, if she is that spiteful why did she try to get the MC back, I mean sure she mention in this story she found it too hard, but it feels over the top considering her attachment / obsession with the MC, also its pretty much in your face from the start that she is shady, again it feel like this was done to completely absolve Katie of any blame and just further had blame on both the MC & Leia.

Ultimately the fact that the relationship the MC has is tense with so many love interests means its a massive hurdle to overcome before being able to engage in a relationship with them, which further slow down the story development on that matter, which further slow down the game development that already was delayed due to it being remade, its no joke really that at this pace this story isn't going to be finished before the end of this decade at least, since those updates comes up around once a year, and just making it back to where it was is likely going to take 3 more years.

I mean in the previous version you just got around to getting intimate with most possible girls once, not yet with the mom, you still had length to go frankly with all of them to make it serious, that was like 3 chapters further, so at this rate yea, no mom for 4 more years at least, and limited amount of relationship with the rest still yet for possibly as much as 5 years, with again doubt this is going to be finished before at least like 10 chapters total, so about 7 more years minimum to wait, or more likely getting abandoned. Because the Dev is taking way too long to get around to getting thru this and something is quite possibly going to happen sooner or later and force this to go unresolved like most games of the sort.
 

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You know after a long wait like this i was about to give up on this vn but then i played the new update and remembered how much i like this game and the story and characters i even liked the old version , damn its been years .
its realy great
It just makes me sad that we are gonna have to wait another year for the next update
I know someone is gonna say get a life i do have a life this is my hobby but sadly its like watching a tv show that only one 40 min episode gets released per year .
Dose anyone know about the next update ? Is it gonna take a whole year again ?
 

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In addition to the fact the old Katie was a bitch which had been a menace to the MC, while this one basically is the victim of the MC & Leia that hardly ever done anything wrong, while she does mention supposedly that she had done some wrong, considering most of the story of this new version revolved around the MC getting hammered from every directions for his supposed wrongs.

To me it seem like the Dev fell in love with Katie and decided to make her the effective main protagonist, so he stripped 99% of all wrongs she did from the original, and made all she did justified while utterly trashing the MC for daring to hurt his precious Katie. Frankly I'd say while overall I prefer the graphics of this version I preferred the story of the old version, it felt more sensible, instead of being hammered from the start about how bad the MC had been you instead slowly discovered it, which make sense considering the story is supposed to be from his point of view, so he came to term with the fact he had messed things up with Katie slowly overtime, unlike this version that just smash your face with it, it make it much harder to empathize with the MC, which is you know... the MC, and instead everything is centered around empathizing with Katie.

Also I don't like the changes in personality Leia went thru, I mean in the previous version it seemed obvious she was making a play for the MC, it was one of the driving force for having him back, which make sense, also you slowly discovered that she was involved in some shady stuff, this one... she is incredibly spiteful... considering the story still has her be the one to call on the MC it feels contradictory, if she is that spiteful why did she try to get the MC back, I mean sure she mention in this story she found it too hard, but it feels over the top considering her attachment / obsession with the MC, also its pretty much in your face from the start that she is shady, again it feel like this was done to completely absolve Katie of any blame and just further had blame on both the MC & Leia.

Ultimately the fact that the relationship the MC has is tense with so many love interests means its a massive hurdle to overcome before being able to engage in a relationship with them, which further slow down the story development on that matter, which further slow down the game development that already was delayed due to it being remade, its no joke really that at this pace this story isn't going to be finished before the end of this decade at least, since those updates comes up around once a year, and just making it back to where it was is likely going to take 3 more years.

I mean in the previous version you just got around to getting intimate with most possible girls once, not yet with the mom, you still had length to go frankly with all of them to make it serious, that was like 3 chapters further, so at this rate yea, no mom for 4 more years at least, and limited amount of relationship with the rest still yet for possibly as much as 5 years, with again doubt this is going to be finished before at least like 10 chapters total, so about 7 more years minimum to wait, or more likely getting abandoned. Because the Dev is taking way too long to get around to getting thru this and something is quite possibly going to happen sooner or later and force this to go unresolved like most games of the sort.
I don't remember the old Katie super well, she was similar, but I feel like this one is better.

There's always this air of flirting whenever they're together, and the line being danced between (joking about being mean/obviously having feelings for each other) trends much more towards the latter.

I mean what did she do that was so wrong in the old one? I genuinely don't remember. In this one, the things I've seen posters complain about like Miru telling her MC wanted her, those are just bizarre complaints - those are clearly joksey flirting comments between them all, and if this didnt have a snails pace development, MC, Miru and Katie would be having a big ol fuckfest already.
 

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I forgot how much I love this game, can't wait to get

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Probably fucks the wrong guy (gang leader) or get tricked by leia to go after one and get made into a new toy poor willi will get huge competition and will get miru to work against him :giggle::coffee:

The best scene was thr cute pinky promise between mc and miru thr ntr will be so sweet cant wait to see the GIGACHAD dark souls/elden ring antagonist miru will get destroyed
 

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thanks, I didn't play the original version and now it makes more sense. I was pretty sure about William and Leia's relationship, but not 100%.
Honestly, there's not much logic in leaving. You love her, she loves you. That's it. No one leaves like that to go somewhere without the girl they love in that situation. Yes, it's a sister, but you can deal with the issue somehow, the parents don't seem like some kind of tyrants. You could put the relationship on pause and stuff but see her every day.

Although maybe he changed his mind after a some short time and decided to come back, but he got locked up for something. Maybe he was emotional and did some crazy things to forget his sister.
in dialogue with Katie he mentions she also threatened to tell someone else besides their parents and that would be a problem, so that's why he left. for prison, there was an explanation before rework, guess we have to wait until he talks to Leia in the next update to see if it's the same or not

what happened before rework is his ex framed him for stealing her stuff and police caught him when he was about to get on a train to return home, he also had a fake ID and didn't tell his name. Miru was arrested for a fight on the same day and they met at the police station
 
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Reading some of the comments here, you'd think Katie appears sitting on a fluffy cloud with angel wings. In the old WiAB it was very clear she only acts like a bitch as a defense mechanism, and all of those flashbacks later on reinforced that idea. Old wiab was also very clear that while Katie was a bitch and wasn't a saint, she was bullied and abused by leia and mc. Unless you insist on antagonizing her ( and I do hope that option will be here as well) The game is and was very clear in it's pro Katie stance. Now the mc clearly says Katie is just as bad as Leia, and just plays innocent. Now we will have to wait and see if the game follows through and shows us what exactly did she do. But some of you chose to ignore it outright and claim she'll be a saint. I also think it was weird how in the old Wiab everyone got over the fact that the mc left very quickly, which you could say is justified due to the time passed, but I absolutely don't think someone like leia who lost her best friend and a partner should get over it quickly.
It's a shame that Leia's criminal activities that involve many members of the family is so openly discovered, that I don't really like. And Also Dana's model is just worse compared to the old version.
 

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in dialogue with Katie he mentions she also threatened to tell someone else besides their parents and that would be a problem, so that's why he left. for prison, there was an explanation before rework, guess we have to wait until he talks to Leia in the next update to see if it's the same or not

what happened before rework is his ex framed him for stealing her stuff and police caught him when he was about to get on a train to return home, he also had a fake ID and didn't tell his name. Miru was arrested for a fight on the same day and they met at the police station
Thanks, it's more or less cleared up. I guess I need to turn off logic more often and accept that everyone in games is emotional and impulsive, otherwise there will be no story.

By the way, it's funny how Leia's boobs change even within an episode, let alone from episode to episode.

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in my opinion they was perfect in the second picture. And in episode 3, they look like too unnatural like plate-shaped.

It's a shame that Leia's criminal activities that involve many members of the family is so openly discovered, that I don't really like. And Also Dana's model is just worse compared to the old version.
- Hey, Miru, are you the girlfriend of the man I don't trust? Let me show you my drug lab in the basement of our house. :D
 
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By the way, it's funny how Leia's boobs change even within an episode, let alone from episode to episode.
Guy needs a sticky note on his monitor with model morph numbers/positions for his characters for sure. I would also add a line "Not everyone has huge boobs fetish" written in red with permanent marker. Though, it might be a cultural thingy.
 

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Guy needs a sticky note on his monitor with model morph numbers/positions for his characters for sure. I would also add a line "Not everyone has huge boobs fetish" written in red with permanent marker. Though, it might be a cultural thingy.
Leia's upper lip has also changed (from ep1) to a more "typical Ocean's" lip shape and smile.
And she's also more tan. (i have pale-girls fetish)
With Ocean, you can never be sure that a girl you really like will have the same look
1.jpg 2.jpg
 

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Leia's upper lip has also changed (from ep1) to a more "typical Ocean's" lip shape and smile.
And she's also more tan. (i have pale-girls fetish)
Yeah, I can see it now. But you can actually change your lips shape in a similar way by tensing some face muscles or whatever is in there near nostrils, so maybe it is just a facial expression or an emotion going on at a moment. As for the tan, lighting is a weird thing even IRL.
 

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Hmm. I'm trying to get into the story. But it's a bit like... say... you're at a party, right? You are hanging out with a new friend. That new friend runs into a bunch of old friends and they all start talking. And you're sitting there not knowing what the fuck they're all talking about. So basically you want to get up and leave and let them all hang out. That's how I feel reading this story so far.

I like Miru. Glad I can turn that NTR bullshit off, that's a nice plus.

I don't mind the Michael Bay posing of shots. But I think the pacing of the story takes a hit at the expense of the Michael Bay shots.
 
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wizardcock

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Yeah, I can see it now. But you can actually change your lips shape in a similar way by tensing some face muscles or whatever is in there near nostrils, so maybe it is just a facial expression or an emotion going on at a moment. As for the tan, lighting is a weird thing even IRL.
Maybe you're right, and I have that pale image from ep 1 with the red lipstick under the moonlight stuck in my head.
But it seems to me as if he made her upper lip thicker or slightly reshaped it to make it less round
 
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Hmm. I'm trying to get into the story. But it's a bit like... say... you're at a party, right? You are hanging out with a new friend. That new friend runs into a bunch of old friends and they all start talking. And you're sitting there not knowing what the fuck they're all talking about. So basically you want to get up and leave and let them all hang out. That's how I feel reading this story so far.

I like Miru. Glad I can turn that NTR bullshit off, that's a nice plus.

I don't mind the Michael Bay posing of shots. But I think the pacing of the story takes a hit at the expense of the Michael Bay shots.
To understand WIAB more, you have to also read Summer's Gone - another Ocean VN. WIAB is a prequel to SG, two stories are painfully slowly unravel the big picture. One answers some of the question for another.
 
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This is not entirely correct, the key variable is the open relationship thingy:

Code:
menu:
        "Mention the idea of a polyamorous/open relationship.":
            $ Mob = True
            scene aac355 with dssa
            d "We should have an open relationship."
            scene aac356 with dssa
            mi "Yeeeeah... no."
            d "Sounds like we would profit from it."
            scene aac357 with dssa
            mi "You just want to bang that junkie granny!"
        "Don't mention it.":
            $ Mob = False
            scene aac357 with dssa
            mi "Remember that junkie granny?"
Code:
menu:
        "You're my weirdo.":
            scene a183 with dissolve
            $ Miru +=1
            mi "Ohhh!"
            #kiss
            if Mob is True:
                scene a184 with dissolve
                mi "And then you dare to mention an open relationship..."
                menu:
                    "I am still open for it.":
                        $ MobX = True
                        scene a185 with dissolve
                        mi "Reaaaally?"
                        scene a186 with dissolve
                        d "Yeah, I can divide between sex and love."
                        scene a187 with dissolve
                        mi "Hmm... Maybe it's not such a bad idea... I mean- I do have a weird libido."
                        d "You would be perfect for porn."
                        mi "Haha... I know it's supposed to be a compliment but it feels like an insult."
                    "Yeah, it's just not us.":
                        mi "Yeah."
            else:
                pass
            pass
        "You really are.":
            scene a184 with dissolve
            mi "Hey! You are supposed to reassure me that I am sane!"
            scene a186 with dissolve
            "You give her a smile."
im kinda really curious how ocean is gonna manage to stay true to the patreon rules with wiab but sg too as im pretty sure quite a few of the li's, nami and nika are related to willy/the zanes lol
After this update nothing convince me that it's not Ocean who releases the ICPatch - nothing!!

The update goes public on 23.12.2023 21:41 CEST

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As we can see, this time there are no beta testers involved


And the IC patch was uploaded on the 23.12.2023 14:34 CEST

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Love the the game so far but man the netorare path is a MFO to find, took 6 goes... Wish if you have NTR set to on the game helps you get on and stay on the NTR path.... But now I found it, it crashes when I try to continue as he sucks her nipple.... Anyone has the same issue?
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Take a look at this, Schattenfang has found the problem.
 
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Well, Leia is far from the only one who is associated with crime. Scarlet and Joe a long time ago. I suspect that Dylan is generally a mafia boss and after Willie’s disappearance he was preparing Leia as an heir. It’s William who evokes less and less pity and sympathy with each update. He himself says that words won’t change anything, only actions, does nothing to earn trust, in the last chapter generally behaves like a child,and responds to the simplest request to manipulate Monica and says fuck off, as the plot progresses, he constantly tells her to fuck off, then he is surprised that Leia doesn’t trust him one bit.
 

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and responds to the simplest request to manipulate Monica and says fuck off, as the plot progresses, he constantly tells her to fuck off, then he is surprised that Leia doesn’t trust him one bit.
Maybe because he regrets what he's done to her in the past?

I think that he's well aware that playing her again WILL damage thier relationship beyond any repair. And with the plan to move back to Wollust it can be quite a bit a pain in the arse have a cop on the bad side.

Especially when there is more at stake as a simple awkward scene frome the past. The complete drug trafficing and nightclub thingy can go to hell if you poke the angry but sleeping cop often ennough...
 
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