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How can you not understand? Seriously?
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Zane isn't a common surname where I live, just sayin'
Edit: Also, officially (as in the official release as released), no matter what anyone says, they are just friends, and Leia smirks when saying this. Just friends with the same surname.
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They are victims of the censorship
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Well, anything goes in war and love.
And you mustn't forget that Miru first played dirty to lure William with her thong.
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I'd take the hit if I was William - I mean, what is Miru going to do if she wins but make him pound her without using up a poundy coupon? Seems to me Willi's willy wins with or without any tactics in that scene.Well, anything goes in war and love.
And you mustn't forget that Miru first played dirty to lure William with her thong.
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Zane as a surname does not exist where i live so i can't say if it is common or not...But in my country surname some times does not mean that 2 people are brother/sister/cousins etc.Zane isn't a common surname where I live, just sayin'
Edit: Also, officially (as in the official release as released), no matter what anyone says, they are just friends, and Leia smirks when saying this. Just friends with the same surname.
Helen seems to be the only character that absolutely no one disrespects. even MC wouldn't, even if she didn't have her accident.
they were young, maybe what they did was barely anything (in this version). it could just be some touch experimenting at best, or just showing some naked parts, for curiosity's sake. and they felt guilty enough that he didn't want to face the consequences of that back then. because now, it seems the fact that he left is more serious than what they did.
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The official script is what you play unpatched, there are patches floating around to make the game make more sense, because 'just friends' *smirk* is too ambiguous. It is possible to have the same surname without being related, but it is very suspicious to have been room mates/best friends.
Best to play it the way you understand it the easiest. The official release is what it is for a reason.
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i have not any patch ... i got the game and simply unzipped and played it ... I agree that " because 'just friends' *smirk* is too ambiguous." Leia as a character is a total mystery to me ..... I mean from all the characters no one else tried to find William to tell him about the accident Helen had..But Leia called that is a bit suspicious
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Interesting point I just considered - what if Katie didn't just potentially blackmail Willi, what if she purposefully planted a story that made him leave? I don't know, something like Helen was going to kick him out, or send him to *shudder* the religious cult people to rehab/brainwash him, or sic the police on him for what he did to Mon? We're all assuming it's only one thing that caused him to leave, what if it was a whole bunch of things as Katie tried to punish him with an excessively overblown plan of hers?
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As far as I understand the patch, it simply changes some of the dialogue to help the story make more sense. But it's easy enough to make your own mind up rather than use some unknown modder's patch.
Sven didn't seem like a good friend, more like a subordinate acquaintance and they had fond memories. Sven looked up to MC. it was not an equal friendship. the couple you mention, MC seems not to care about the guy being cheated on, so he clearly was friends with the girl, and they are acquaintances more than friends. guys see him as competition as he is too popular with girls. just the story of Reynolds (the guy Miru crushed for trying to break them up) sets this up.No evidence of romance ...except for the flashback that was added in CH3 Full, and the implications of carving on the tree, and the reason he left Mon on the kitchen table was to be with the one he loved... and because it was the central canon of the original pre-rework. I can't imagine the game would drop that, especially as they are 'just friends' (as Leia smirks in the official release).
He's not complete trash, but he does have plenty of work in front to redeem himself ...and ultimately that is part of why he came back. Seeing how emotional he got when discovering Helen had an accident does show he has some redeeming features. Kicking spiders towards a person with no panties on though... not sure I would forgive him for that if I was Miru.
Other family members doing worse - we'll have to see what the situation is fully to appreciate who is the worst. My money is on Leia still.
Guy friend Sven at very least. But keeping in mind that all his female friends still hang out with his family. Zoey is Katie's gf, Dana, Mon and Gina all hang out with Katie. Scarlet, Helen, Katie and Leia are family. Daphne and Donna appear to be the only significant female characters not in the family or connected through the family.
It's likely he left without phone numbers or couldn't get in contact with anyone after prison. At the start during the talks with Miru and Daphne, they mention couples who are friends, so Willi does have other male friends, but I'm guessing he's learnt to bea bit of a lone wolf since prison.
...Heck, maybe Katie and Zoey are an item because there's a lack of non gang males who aren't betas. I mean Gina and Dana's bf's are made to be pretty lame. Nothing the girls can do to win Emilio. Maybe Willi is set to raise up an army of sons to even up the gender imbalance in Wollust?
Except that clearly isn't true if you buy the spicy burger or smother Katie with Helen's underwear. Willi doesn't take responsibility for what came before, but I think we'll see that redemptive arc become more obvious.
But yeah, Leia. I think I prefer bitchy Leia, because I don't feel the need to explain anything to her. It's not just Katie she trash talks, it seems she doesn't give a damn about anyone - cold blooded like a snake, and toxic. When Willi tells her he was in prison, she doesn't really care about his trauma, forbids him from her work etc. She blames him for her trauma, and she seems to be the obsessive one. Think about the way she calls Willi - he arrives after a couple of days being told Helen had an accident ...the case is already closed in less than a week, everyone's adjusted to Helen not talking already. Leia reached out to Willi when it suited her, for her own specific plans.
I'm actually hazardously optimistic based on how many different scenes Ocean has been rendering and how enthusiatic he is about the cards potential now he has them and has been playing with them. I know it's foolish to hope, but damn it, hope hits me faster than the updates!
Any girl that stayed in Wollust doesn't matter here, as MC didn't have any contact with them, and he didn't care about learning to behave then. it's only after he left that he really began working on himself, i think.
It might also be that Leia had a tough time tracking MC down and find his number... she didn't know he was sent to prison for years, so she didn't look into his past. she was probably at the end of her wits in trying to fix the situation and reluctantly had to track him down as she knew he was the only hope of a solution. and he migh be the only she could trust, about the accident, even if she still resents him, as clearly he wasn't there, there was no chance he could be an accomplice, and she knew he would actively track down the culprit.
aren't they supposed to be like twins but the rules of patreons forced the dev to make them adopted siblings ?
winning out of principle is important!I'd take the hit if I was William - I mean, what is Miru going to do if she wins but make him pound her without using up a poundy coupon? Seems to me Willi's willy wins with or without any tactics in that scene.
and don't forget, Miru actually loves that about him too... most likely she only met guys that kept on losing to her, or were submissive to her.
I think there was a dialog between the two that made it explicit that she told him she would out "their secret" implying MC and someone else strongly pointing towards Leia.
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As far as good friends, I don't think Leia really allowed anyone to be friends with Willi. I think she monopolised his free time. Willi might also just be a horn dog and not realise he's subconsciously hunting the whole time. But leaving home at a young age will break off all contact; life changes fast in those years, and he missed out on the kinds of friendships that solidify as you mature into an adult. Half of his banter feeling out of place is simply he doesn't know Kat, Zoey, Mon, Katie, Leia, Gina or Dana as adults. His first reaction to Dana is to draw their younger frame of reference into being with the Jabba comment. He doesn't know these girls well - he used to. So he's half plying them with the attitudes of a teenager, because that's all he remembers - that's maybe where some of the asshole/insensitive comments come from. His interactions with Daphne seem much more balanced, while Miru's baby talk is cringe worthy but incredibly believable from a bunch of dovey morons who are oversexed
Leia had his number stored as 'WZ' in her phone, and he is an author of erotic novels - so chances are she being obsessive stalked him down long ago and chose when to call. Willi wasn't hiding, so much as he left. I think Leia other than being obsessive was also rather bitter that he left, so she didn't want to be the first to call and appear weak. Pure conjecture from me, but there's nothing certain other than Helen's accident seems far earlier than when Leia called, as the investigation wouldn't be closed so quickly and no one would've adapted that quickly.
I think it's easiest for people to make their own minds up what is intended at this point. All 'm going to consider now is there is an official release with all the relevance it needsaren't they supposed to be like twins but the rules of patreons forced the dev to make them adopted siblings ?
Oh yeah, 100%. But that doesn't mean it's the whole story. The context and the details are unknown. It might indeed be straight forward, but given what WIlli said about Katie and her most fucked up plans to annihilate people (some of which is projection I know), chances are she expanded on the threat. How she made a childhood infatuation such a problem (I can almost guarantee there will be no flashback content of lewds - pre rework, Willi'd never done anything with Leia, and Katie even brags Willi tasted her before he has gotten to Leia.
Winning while the spider then owns their apartment is actually losing to the entire spiderdom. The VN could've taken a steep dive - instead of Leia, it's Sigorney Weaver telling them to get out, they only come at night.... Miru gets pregant with a spiderchestbursterwinning out of principle is important!
and don't forget, Miru actually loves that about him too... most likely she only met guys that kept on losing to her, or were submissive to her.
Actually, maybe Ocean did think like this and it was the inspiration for the tabletop scene in SG
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the " clearly he wasn't there, there was no chance he could be an accomplice " is not true entirely He was not but generally speaking just because he was living away from their hometown does not mean he could not have someone else do it...William will be a person that would try to find out what happened but the one who investigates the accident is the one woman William did the most damage... Monica ,and i don't think that Leia does not know that Monica despices him
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Wait wait now I'm confused. I've never played old WiAB and only played this reworked version once so I'm far from knowledgeable when it comes to this game but wasn't Katie waaaaaay too young to have any Machiavellian plan to cause his brother to leave? From what I understood she just wanted them both to stop bullying her and shutting her out. So she did what any kid would do, she threatened to expose Willi and Leia's secret if they didn't treat her better.
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Yeah you're right it goes half by half. So then we're seeing seriously speaking at this rate, Wiab IF itll be in development till conclusion, it may seriously take around a decade, specially he keeps working solo without a team. Well taking into fact I am graduating software engineering in couple of months, I believe when I reach a team lead this should be done ?