VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[sorco2003]

Honestly I would prefer more story, but almost every LI hates William. Ocean has to give time to those relationship to developed, I believe he can do it in a small enough time but is time not advancing the story. I can't talk much of OG as I barely remember it but the more we progress with the rework the more different they will become, maybe not even for plot poins it can be looked at.

Even if you don't want to see the main thread (even if it is branched and developed) it is still the same, so let's take what we already know without counting the OG...
Petrova exists, that's a fact... how she will appear in WIAB? that's an unknown.
Uncle Joe exists, how will he come back? will we see him in jail or already out? will a visit to the jail open the arc of the jail?
Daisy exists, will she be LI? what information about the gangs can a "mother of pain" bring?
Leia being Leia as she is, are all those who work with her are loyal? or will there be someone who points to William as her Achilles heel and will be targeted by the enemy?
Is a lot...

 

[BobTheDuck]

Honestly I would prefer more story, but almost every LI hates William. Ocean has to give time to those relationship to developed, I believe he can do it in a small enough time but is time not advancing the story. I can't talk much of OG as I barely remember it but the more we progress with the rework the more different they will become, maybe not even for plot poins it can be looked at.

Well, I think the inclusion of a different angle (Asavera) necessitates a different main plot. That doesn't mean Ocean won't reuse a prison scene. I kinda think Ocean felt he jumped the gun a bit there, William gets thrown in jail without a trial, gets brutalised in custody, then gets released, then gets a proper trial? It was like getting whiplash from the plot playing leapfrog with itself, then with the flashbacks to young Willi.... I feel that this time, there will be a slower weaving together, with the stakes raising appropriately, rather than swerving all over the highway so to speak.

 

[LHDLLB]

Absolutely no shot. I know this is an Ocean story but it would make no sense whatsoever. All we've gotten from Miru so far is utter reluctance to the idea of fucking around with anyone other than William. It's way too early for that. Even if you deny her sex she doesn't get to a point where that would happen. Maybe if the upcoming update makes great strides in that direction it could happen in the next one.

I don't know. She has a high libido and is growing frustrated with not getting any, she up the stakes in Ch3 and the player can let her fool around. She might want to up it a bit more, not saying that Miru will cheat William, but is a too good of a oportunity to let is pass in my view.

We don't know how much time she will be gone, if William is okay with it, why would she suffer ? Does not seems that crazy to me.

 

[LHDLLB]

Even if you don't want to see the main thread (even if it is branched and developed) it is still the same, so let's take what we already know without counting the OG...
Petrova exists, that's a fact... how she will appear in WIAB? that's an unknown.
Uncle Joe exists, how will he come back? will we see him in jail or already out? will a visit to the jail open the arc of the jail?
Daisy exists, will she be LI? what information about the gangs can a "mother of pain" bring?
Leia being Leia as she is, are all those who work with her are loyal? or will there be someone who points to William as her Achilles heel and will be targeted by the enemy?
Is a lot...

Petrova was hyped up as a antagonist on the OG, I don't know if she will play the same role here.

My guess is that we will see him out of jail and that he will join Leia and William as a muscle man. Not sure if we will get the jail arch, if so I don't wanna a false rape allegation.

does not remember Daisy. Or Mother of Pain

Leia being betrayed is almost certain. The thing with Leia is that she is either 5 steps ahead or 10 behind. Either way I think that Leia will be betrayed by someone, Emilio ? Ryru ?

Well, I think the inclusion of a different angle (Asavera) necessitates a different main plot. That doesn't mean Ocean won't reuse a prison scene. I kinda think Ocean felt he jumped the gun a bit there, William gets thrown in jail without a trial, gets brutalised in custody, then gets released, then gets a proper trial? It was like getting whiplash from the plot playing leapfrog with itself, then with the flashbacks to young Willi.... I feel that this time, there will be a slower weaving together, with the stakes raising appropriately, rather than swerving all over the highway so to speak.

Sure, but at the same time is like you said, OG was so all over the place that is hard to guess things. If the prison thing happens I expect to be quite different and much more ahead in the story. By OG next update we should be fucking Donna and being accused of rape. Chances are we will be getting something like the Leia conversation we had in Ch6. I see the OG as not even a skeleton of the story, more like the firsts drafts, some things will be the same others much different.

Of the new things he add, I am curious of the uncles that are not on speaking terms anymore and the bartender with a scar who is a new LI.

 

[sorco2003]

Petrova was hyped up as a antagonist on the OG, I don't know if she will play the same role here.

My guess is that we will see him out of jail and that he will join Leia and William as a muscle man. Not sure if we will get the jail arch, if so I don't wanna a false rape allegation.

does not remember Daisy. Or Mother of Pain

Leia being betrayed is almost certain. The thing with Leia is that she is either 5 steps ahead or 10 behind. Either way I think that Leia will be betrayed by someone, Emilio ? Ryru ?



Sure, but at the same time is like you said, OG was so all over the place that is hard to guess things. If the prison thing happens I expect to be quite different and much more ahead in the story. By OG next update we should be fucking Donna and being accused of rape. Chances are we will be getting something like the Leia conversation we had in Ch6. I see the OG as not even a skeleton of the story, more like the firsts drafts, some things will be the same others much different.

Of the new things he add, I am curious of the uncles that are not on speaking terms anymore and the bartender with a scar who is a new LI.

Daisy is Gina's mother. And "mother of pain" is a name for mothers who have gone through a traumatic experience with their children, such as mothers with children killed in traffic accidents, or in this case, mothers with children in criminal gangs.

 

[LostGhost]

Petrova was hyped up as a antagonist on the OG

She was an advocate for donna but I'm not sure about antagonist part

 

[sorco2003]

She was an advocate for donna but I'm not sure about antagonist part

She was an employee of the enemy... so yes, in principle she was an antagonist (Donna herself was/is).

 

[LHDLLB]

Daisy is Gina's mother. And "mother of pain" is a name for mothers who have gone through a traumatic experience with their children, such as mothers with children killed in traffic accidents, or in this case, mothers with children in criminal gangs.

OOOOh I vaguely remember it. Mother of Pain is such a cool title for something so real. We know that Gina hates de Kryat we can assume her mother does too, they can help us bring them down or even Gina's brother. Given Ocean last threats he can play a role in the Miru NTR route, either you pimp Miru out to him or in some other form. So many threads and so little to go by.

She was an advocate for donna but I'm not sure about antagonist part

She worked for the people accusing William, at least in the way she acted against the protagonist she could be called a antagonist, but maybe not a vilan.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Petrova was hyped up as a antagonist on the OG, I don't know if she will play the same role here.

My guess is that we will see him out of jail and that he will join Leia and William as a muscle man. Not sure if we will get the jail arch, if so I don't wanna a false rape allegation.

does not remember Daisy. Or Mother of Pain

Leia being betrayed is almost certain. The thing with Leia is that she is either 5 steps ahead or 10 behind. Either way I think that Leia will be betrayed by someone, Emilio ? Ryru ?



Sure, but at the same time is like you said, OG was so all over the place that is hard to guess things. If the prison thing happens I expect to be quite different and much more ahead in the story. By OG next update we should be fucking Donna and being accused of rape. Chances are we will be getting something like the Leia conversation we had in Ch6. I see the OG as not even a skeleton of the story, more like the firsts drafts, some things will be the same others much different.

Of the new things he add, I am curious of the uncles that are not on speaking terms anymore and the bartender with a scar who is a new LI.

The bartender? That was just the shadow from her hair I think, the next render has nothing like that. I also think Riri is far more likely than the bartender, but we'll see.

 

[LHDLLB]

The bartender? That was just the shadow from her hair I think, the next render has nothing like that. I also think Riri is far more likely than the bartender, but we'll see.

Yeah, unless I am triping really high here Ocean said in one log for Ch3 that she is a LI. The scar I am less sure. Riri, that is her name. as a LI ?

EDIT: Yeah, no scar on the bartender, my bad.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yeah, unless I am triping really high here Ocean said in one log for Ch3 that she is a LI. The scar I am less sure. Riri, that is her name. as a LI ?

Riri's one of Leia's servers/companions/hosts/whatever they are. No scar on her either unless I'm blind. I do expect her to complicate things in all kinds of good ways (for us at least). I thought you meant the actual bartender, who looks like she has a scar in one lighting, but I suspect it's a shadow:

 

[LHDLLB]

Riri's one of Leia's servers/companions/hosts/whatever they are. No scar on her either unless I'm blind. I do expect her to complicate things in all kinds of good ways (for us at least). I thought you meant the actual bartender, who looks like she has a scar in one lighting, but I suspect it's a shadow:

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Yeah, was talking about her. Did not Ocean said she was a LI ? I am sure of it, in one of Ch3 logs

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yeah, was talking about her. Did not Ocean said she was a LI ? I am sure of it, in one of Ch3 logs

I'm not sure if he said officially, but there's a preview render of her with Emilio, so she's got some important part to play. I'm not going to search for the links to the older logs myself, it's enough to know she's not a background character. I also think Ocean probably keeps LI status to himself so the NTR aspect will not feel preordained. She might just be another undercover spy, and might be a replacement for the blonde girl in the OG.

 

[sorco2003]

Yeah, unless I am triping really high here Ocean said in one log for Ch3 that she is a LI. The scar I am less sure. Riri, that is her name. as a LI ?

EDIT: Yeah, no scar on the bartender, my bad.

Riri's one of Leia's servers/companions/hosts/whatever they are. No scar on her either unless I'm blind. I do expect her to complicate things in all kinds of good ways (for us at least). I thought you meant the actual bartender, who looks like she has a scar in one lighting, but I suspect it's a shadow:

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Yeah, was talking about her. Did not Ocean said she was a LI ? I am sure of it, in one of Ch3 logs

I'm not sure if he said officially, but there's a preview render of her with Emilio, so she's got some important part to play. I'm not going to search for the links to the older logs myself, it's enough to know she's not a background character. I also think Ocean probably keeps LI status to himself so the NTR aspect will not feel preordained. She might just be another undercover spy, and might be a replacement for the blonde girl in the OG.

I did a quick search, but I can't find that they said Riri is LI.
As for LI status within WIAB, there was never an official list like there was for SG. But neither was there any "special case" or any LI removed from her status.

 

[LHDLLB]

I did a quick search, but I can't find that they said Riri is LI.
As for LI status within WIAB, there was never an official list like there was for SG. But neither was there any "special case" or any LI removed from her status.

Not Riri, the bartender. For what I remember she was in a preview, and Ocean said something along the lines about he not wanting to first show a LI on a preview but he decided otherwise. Granted I may be miss remembering things, I did look up annd could not find the log, maybe I am imagining things, maybe she is not a LI.

 

[sorco2003]

Not Riri, the bartender. For what I remember she was in a preview, and Ocean said something along the lines about he not wanting to first show a LI on a preview but he decided otherwise. Granted I may be miss remembering things, I did look up annd could not find the log, maybe I am imagining things, maybe she is not a LI.

Your words remind me of the log where he showed Ni.

 

[LHDLLB]

Your words remind me of the log where he showed Ni.

Could be. Maybe I mix things up ? But I remember a preveiw of the bartente though.