VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[John972]

Yossa? Is that you?

I could not possibly disagree more with your view on this. You say there is more to the story than...lets use the words "family relationships" instead of "incest" here. There isn't. Not yet at least. All we have right now is a premise. And that premise is the MC returning to a place he didn't want to go back to, to see people he didn't want to see again because his not-mother got into an accident and refuses to speak now.

No she wasn't hurt. She isn't dying. She doesn't need blood or a vital organ. She just "lost her voice". How does it make any fucking sense whatsoever for William to put himself through something he REALLY doesn't want to just to see an unrelated lady that isn't speaking anymore!?!?!?

So I ask what else is there besides "family relationship drama"? Leia's pimping and drug dealing? We have no proof it's connected to the planet sized woman's accident. No connection whatsoever to the Krayt as of this moment. So no. I have to pushback on that. There is nothing more to this game at this moment than literal family drama. And THAT gets destroyed the moment they are not family anymore.

So no, fuck your fetish kink reasoning. I would never touch Leia, Dylan or Gigantor. As for Katie i'd bang her no matter what. Related, unrelated who gives a fuck. She's hot. As long as she is a biological woman, I'm in!

EDIT: Thank God for Krytax123 for the much needed injection of common sense in this thread.

Ocean faces a shit sandwich. I don't know how he's gonna handle it, but the likely way forward is to not make William a Zane (is that feasible? Is it too late for such a change because of the bleed through into SG?). Then he has to concoct a cliched AVN backstory about how and why a stranger came to live with the Zane family (rolls eyes). Could he achieve that successfully? Maybe, but his handling of Nika/Nami in Season 1 of SG suggests otherwise. With that one, Ocean still tries to have his cake and eat it too...

I still believe it's theoretically possible to biologically disassociate William from the Zane family (creating a much mocked AVN trope) while keeping a lot of the relationship tension in the game.

So no, fuck your fetish kink reasoning. I would never touch Leia, Dylan or Gigantor.

Nice way to shit all over those fans who are in to Leia and/or Helen (for clarification, I'm not one of them, but I don't begrudge those that are).

PS - I grew up with a biological sister and two female foster children (sisters) that my parents took in. Not that I ever felt that way, but any hanky panky with the sisters was absolutely taboo, even though they were not biological siblings. They were treated like family, although they never truly fitted in during the 6-8 years they stayed. For the record, the sisters left the family by age 12-14 (shortly before my younger sister was born; I was 13 then). The exact details on years and ages is hazy now. This is one of the reasons I believe SG and WIAB don't need incest to work - because I can personally relate to a different "family" dynamic. ... and no, the foster sisters didn't refer to my mum as the "landlady"

 

[anon43221]

Yeah thanks for that highly educational and pointless post.

Anytime, I figured you'd appreciate something at your intellectual level for once

 

[RNasc4444]

Nice way to shit all over those fans who are in to Leia and/or Helen (for clarification, I'm not one of them, but I don't begrudge those that are).

I really didn't mean it like that. I have no issues with people being into Leia/Helen. And I'm neutral on incest. Depends on the game, the story and the characters. Similar to NTR. As long as it's not forced on the player without previous notice I'm absolutely fine with it.

I meant "fuck the kink fetish" as a way to dismiss anyone that has issues with the plot as it stands if the Zanes aren't all related. That's all.

Anyways I'm gonna stay away from this topic until the next update drops and we see how Ocean tackles this issue.

 

[John972]

I really didn't mean it like that. I have no issues with people being into Leia/Helen. And I'm neutral on incest. Depends on the game, the story and the characters. Similar to NTR. As long as it's not forced on the player without previous notice I'm absolutely fine with it.

I meant "fuck the kink fetish" as a way to dismiss anyone that has issues with the plot as it stands if the Zanes aren't all related. That's all.

Anyways I'm gonna stay away from this topic until the next update drops and we see how Ocean tackles this issue.

Just putting this in a spoiler because of web crawlers:

My own thought on incest in this game is that it's simply a hot potato, and I mean that purely for the risk it poses for Ocean's future revenue streams via third party providers (for both SG/WIAB). This seemingly came to fruition when WIAB was removed from Patreon. For me personally, incest is not my thing (having two sisters and, for a time, two foster sisters IRL just turns me off the subject), but I am happy to play games that contain it because I can more or less chose ignore it and pretend the whole landlady thing. I don't begrudge those that like it.

I said in a post a year or so ago that Ocean needs to either go all in or remove any hint of incest entirely. As it turns out, he didn't do that with SG Season 1 when he had the chance to do so with the Nika/Nami relationship. He keeps trying to maintain this illusion of ambiguity in both games, and I don't think that's working out.

Just to be clear, I want Ocean to either be unabashedly all in (thus, accepting the business/financial risk long term) or to remove the incest entirely. Enough of this nod, nod, wink, wink shit already. If he chooses the latter with WIAB, he needs to be doing it now, and, obviously, he needs to come up with a convincing alternative explanation for the existing relationship dynamics. EDIT: ... and the only way I can see Ocean achieving this is by not having William related by blood to the others.

 

[LHDLLB]

Just putting this in a spoiler because of web crawlers:

My own thought on incest in this game is that it's simply a hot potato, and I mean that purely for the risk it poses for Ocean's future revenue streams via third party providers (for both SG/WIAB). This seemingly came to fruition when WIAB was removed from Patreon. For me personally, incest is not my thing (having two sisters and, for a time, two foster sisters IRL just turns me off the subject), but I am happy to play games that contain it because I can more or less chose ignore it and pretend the whole landlady thing. I don't begrudge those that like it.

I said in a post a year or so ago that Ocean needs to either go all in or remove any hint of incest entirely. As it turns out, he didn't do that with SG Season 1 when he had the chance to do so with the Nika/Nami relationship. He keeps trying to maintain this illusion of ambiguity in both games, and I don't think that's working out.

Just to be clear, I want Ocean to either be unabashedly all in (thus, accepting the business/financial risk long term) or to remove the incest entirely. Enough of this nod, nod, wink, wink shit already. If he chooses the latter with WIAB, he needs to be doing it now, and, obviously, he needs to come up with a convincing alternative explanation for the existing relationship dynamics. EDIT: ... and the only way I can see Ocean achieving this is by not having William related by blood tothe others.

I fully agree, on all fronts, but right now there is nothing to do beside play the waiting game. When Ch4 is released we will know or at least have a idea of what direction he will go. Until then everything is really up in the air. But I would die laughing if after months of discussion the evil modder returned with a new mod, right after the release.

 

[John972]

I fully agree, on all fronts, but right now there is nothing to do beside play the waiting game. When Ch4 is released we will know or at least have a idea of what direction he will go. Until then everything is really up in the air. But I would die laughing if after months of discussion the evil modder returned with a new mod, right after the release.

To be honest, my fear is that any changes made are done in a way that still retains too much inconsistency/ambiguity/contradiction in the story. That's why I advocate an all in or all out approach (an all out approach would leave that evil modder with some serious work to do , to the point where the modded version of WIAB is akin to "What's Up, Tiger Lily?" )

 

[LHDLLB]

To be honest, my fear is that any changes made are done in a way that still retains too much inconsistency/ambiguity/contradiction in the story. That's why I advocate an all in or all out approach (an all out approach would leave that evil modder with some serious work to do , to the point where the modded version of WIAB is akin to "What's Up, Tiger Lily?" )

I quite agree too, but I fear this will not be the approach, I am betting on a SG situation, for better or worse. Also what up tiver lily is a masterpiece.

 

[John972]

I quite agree too, but I fear this will not be the approach, I am betting on a SG situation, for better or worse. Also what up tiver lily is a masterpiece.

Well, this was worth a try...

Spoiler: WIAB: A New Beginning (heavy /S)

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[lillos]

Well, this was worth a try...

Spoiler: WIAB: A New Beginning (heavy /S)

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but what the sh''''t is that!!?That's no sense,if ocean fear about patreon rules,why doesn't patch like all others games of incest gen?it's simple and works,the idea of the reality show will desroy all the plot of the game...lol

 

[txe320]

but what the sh''''t is that!!?That's no sense,if ocean fear about patreon rules,why doesn't patch like all others games of incest gen?it's simple and works,the idea of the reality show will desroy all the plot of the game...lol

It's;



Ocean won't do that idea of course, but he will probably scrap all incest stuff ans references. My guess is that MC's parents abandoned him or died or whatever and he was close to the family like, Helen was his mother or father best friend or something like that so he's really, REALLY close to that family, consider them like his own but they aren't related at all.

 

[John972]

but what the sh''''t is that!!?That's no sense,if ocean fear about patreon rules,why doesn't patch like all others games of incest gen?it's simple and works,the idea of the reality show will desroy all the plot of the game...lol