VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[LHDLLB]

I'm also intrigued by the guns thing. Willi mentions:

kat "Dad's in prison."
scene ad398 with dssa
d "They found his weapons stash?"
scene ad399 with dssa
kat "What weapons stash?"
d "...Nevermind."

Given how strict Helen is about guns, and Willi mentioning that what he did to the boys teasing Gina wasn't exactly legal, I'm guessing there's quite a history of pushing boundaries. Which makes the reason Willi left even more confusing. In the old WiaB, Leia was still a virgin until CH 6 from memory, so it'd be pretty hard to imagine someone being blackmailed over a kiss, when Willi's already creampied Monica with no consequences.

I guess again, they're making judgments from the perspective of their age - it's the importance they ascribe to an event, not how objectively significant the event is.

I taked the gun thing as " we don't talk brunisses over the breakfast table", as more Helen wanting a resemble of normalcy than a aversion to a gun or violence, Helen seems in the loop of the criminal activities of her family and if was something that she truly despised, Scarlett would not be as close as she is.

I like the ideia that William over reacted because he was young and stupid, but William at least was not a virgin anymore and Leia did not lose her with him so I don't think that the blackmailing was over their relationship exactly, at least not sex between the two, maybe Leia and William pushed a little too far their "pranks", Katie caught wind of it and blackmailed William or both over it. About the Mon incident, I get the impression that William fled not long after the Kat birthday, at least I don't have recollection of him being aware of the extension of Leia's bulling so maybe the lack of consequences for him was just that he no longer was there to suffer them

 

[BobTheDuck]

I taked the gun thing as " we don't talk brunisses over the breakfast table", as more Helen wanting a resemble of normalcy than a aversion to a gun or violence, Helen seems in the loop of the criminal activities of her family and if was something that she truly despised, Scarlett would not be as close as she is.

I like the ideia that William over reacted because he was young and stupid, but William at least was not a virgin anymore and Leia did not lose her with him so I don't think that the blackmailing was over their relationship exactly, at least not sex between the two, maybe Leia and William pushed a little too far their "pranks", Katie caught wind of it and blackmailed William or both over it. About the Mon incident, I get the impression that William fled not long after the Kat birthday, at least I don't have recollection of him being aware of the extension of Leia's bulling so maybe the lack of consequences for him was just that he no longer was there to suffer them

I agree, that's why I'm curious as to what Katie threatened him with:


k "You piece of shit left because a little girl threatened to spill some hot beans."
scene af593 with vpunch
k "Pussy!"
scene af594 with dssa
d "Pussy? You piece of shit didn't give any fucks of what would've happened!"
scene af593 with dssa
k "Oh please. So what if I had told them?"
scene af594 with dssa
d "That's not what I'm talking about!"
scene af595 with dssa
k "Well, you must be dumber than I thought if you actually thought I'd tell her."


Rethinking this, it makes me think that Willi thought Katie was going to spill the beans to Dylan and Helen (them) and Leia (her). So whatever it is, is something that would affect Leia's impression of Willi, and we know that Mon being creampied wasn't a secret... so.... I got nothing. I literally can't imagine what Willi's hiding that was secret from Dylan, Helen and Leia.

 

[LHDLLB]

I agree, that's why I'm curious as to what Katie threatened him with:


k "You piece of shit left because a little girl threatened to spill some hot beans."
scene af593 with vpunch
k "Pussy!"
scene af594 with dssa
d "Pussy? You piece of shit didn't give any fucks of what would've happened!"
scene af593 with dssa
k "Oh please. So what if I had told them?"
scene af594 with dssa
d "That's not what I'm talking about!"
scene af595 with dssa
k "Well, you must be dumber than I thought if you actually thought I'd tell her."


Rethinking this, it makes me think that Willi thought Katie was going to spill the beans to Dylan and Helen (them) and Leia (her). So whatever it is, is something that would affect Leia's impression of Willi, and we know that Mon being creampied wasn't a secret... so.... I got nothing. I literally can't imagine what Willi's hiding that was secret from Dylan, Helen and Leia.

I remember that I brought up this discussion some time ago, believe with you. all depends on who "her" is, and we dont have any way of knowing that at the moment.

Personally I dont think it was refereing to Leia, but is a nice musing. Maybe something that he did with Katie ? can see Leia losing her shit if Katie get to William frist.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I remember that I brought up this discussion some time ago, believe with you. all depends on who "her" is, and we dont have any way of knowing that at the moment.

Personally I dont think it was refereing to Leia, but is a nice musing. Maybe something that he did with Katie ? can see Leia losing her shit if Katie get to William frist.

The her vs them is pretty distinct, the context is about tearing the family apart, and Willi only really cares what family think of him, so I think it's most likely Leia - and that means something she'd not like at all.

In the old version, Katie being first was a thing, if you chose certain paths on the camping trip. Katie freaks out a bit because she gets to you first. Not sure if it'll play out the same way now.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

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Hello,


It's been a while since the last WiAB Dev Log. Those who follow the news on Discord, etc. know it's been a little rough the past months... A lot of uncertainty.

But we're back to the Bi-weekly Dev Log schedule.

The next 1 to 3 Dev logs will be publicly available, and afterward, they will be behind the lowest tier as usual.

I've mentioned before that WIAB will be available on Steam with the next update, and I will create the Steam page for it as soon as SG S1 is released.

I was a little unsure if I shouldn't still wait one more update after the next to put it on Steam. As I'd like to give people more content and was unsure if there was enough content already.

At first, I preferred the approach of creating two updates, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that developing two updates with a total of 4000+ still images while WiAB's support is below a minijob salary in Germany isn't feasible.

It would take months to create the second update, and meanwhile, WIAB could already be sustained by the Steam/GOG support.

WiAB needs to get back on its foot. The upcoming update it is.

I know this reads like a monologue. That's because the first version draft was me asking what you guys think about it. (Including a poll.)

I will still include a poll to see what you guys think, but it won't be binding. But still, I'm interested in your thoughts.

WiAB would be in early access. This means that the rest of the Season 1's Chapters would be included in the Steam release for no extra charge.

Let's get to the actual info about the next update.

The upcoming update is the biggest Update WiAB has had yet, I'd estimate around 2500-2800 renders. But we all know my render estimations are always lowballing it.

I finished another scene the other day, and I've signed 8 songs for SG and WiAB. While I won't be able to buy any WiAB specific music for a while, I always try to sign music for both games at the same time.

Until then, I will make use of copyright-free music.

The kind of girl to put milk in first.

WiAB will be licking its wounds for a while, but I believe that after its Steam release, it will be stronger than ever.

I'll see you in two weeks.

-Ocean

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Goddess Katie, come to thee so I shall paint thy womb with thy seed.

 

[Doomyk]

By the way, it looks like the relationship between Katie and Zoy won’t last long. In the last chapter there was a small hint that the *opening* of the relationship was Zoye’s initiative, and Katie was't cool with it. Opening relationships with pushing rarely end well.

 

[wizardcock]

what happened to William's hands?

 

[BobTheDuck]

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what happened to William's hands?

He's basically a human condom stuffed with walnuts (or in this case Wollnuts?) ...and always has been

 

[Mortarion]

Rethinking this, it makes me think that Willi thought Katie was going to spill the beans to Dylan and Helen (them) and Leia (her). So whatever it is, is something that would affect Leia's impression of Willi, and we know that Mon being creampied wasn't a secret... so.... I got nothing.

In my head canon, was the "her" Katie talked about, aimed into the direction of the grandma. It's a while back since I played the scene, but as far as I remember, is the grandma described as a batshit crazy religious fanatic.

 

[BobTheDuck]

In my head canon, was the "her" Katie talked about, aimed into the direction of the grandma. It's a while back since I played the scene, but as far as I remember, is the grandma described as a batshit crazy religious fanatic.

Entirely possible, but I'm not sure Willi would care about her opinion, based on the way he talked about the grandma, while we know 100% her cares a lot what Dylan, Helen and Leia think.

Most importantly, Ocean's done really well at hiding the source of the drama, as much as he's hidden the cause of Helen's inability to speak. The hope is that when we discover what set everything off, that it'll be significant enough for all the mystery that has built up, and that it's not a letdown.

It would be very Oedipus Rex style to have Willi uncover that what he did that caused him to leave ultimately was the cause of Helen's problems and led to the rise of the gangs. That's probably too epic, but I'd like to think that the stakes are high, even for a childhood prank gone wrong or whatever it was. Both SG and WiaB seem to have the concept of people paing for the consequences of choices they weren't mature enough to comprehend or foresee.

 

[Maviarab]

not a letdown

It's going to be glorious!

 

[Drakenite]

The kind of girl to put milk in first.

 

[Doomyk]

Entirely possible, but I'm not sure Willi would care about her opinion, based on the way he talked about the grandma, while we know 100% her cares a lot what Dylan, Helen and Leia think.

Most importantly, Ocean's done really well at hiding the source of the drama, as much as he's hidden the cause of Helen's inability to speak. The hope is that when we discover what set everything off, that it'll be significant enough for all the mystery that has built up, and that it's not a letdown.

It would be very Oedipus Rex style to have Willi uncover that what he did that caused him to leave ultimately was the cause of Helen's problems and led to the rise of the gangs. That's probably too epic, but I'd like to think that the stakes are high, even for a childhood prank gone wrong or whatever it was. Both SG and WiaB seem to have the concept of people paing for the consequences of choices they weren't mature enough to comprehend or foresee.

And in my opinion, this mystical Asavera can fit terribly into both the past and the present with the whole idea of revenge, betrayal, and the fact that William, through his actions, could have created the Princess and Asavera.
Going back in time. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that William himself made sure that Katie found out about his relationship with Leia. Let's just say that Leia is not the kind of person you can just break up with. Therefore,the *perfect* plan is outlined. Katie finds out, tells his parents, an explosion occurs, William is *forced* to freeze his relationship with Leia. However, Katie did not tell, and also accidentally found out about the third party.
Back to the present. Leia still doesn’t know the truth. However, uhhhh, even just friendship/business, not to mention a possible relationship with Asavera, is the highest form of betrayal. Even if the theory about the past with Asavera is incorrect, the present can provide many interesting and dangerous events.

 

[Doomyk]

By the way, the car in сhapter 3 Majestia LR looks very much like an Aston Martin db5/6

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[Adhdclassic]

I agree, that's why I'm curious as to what Katie threatened him with:


k "You piece of shit left because a little girl threatened to spill some hot beans."
scene af593 with vpunch
k "Pussy!"
scene af594 with dssa
d "Pussy? You piece of shit didn't give any fucks of what would've happened!"
scene af593 with dssa
k "Oh please. So what if I had told them?"
scene af594 with dssa
d "That's not what I'm talking about!"
scene af595 with dssa
k "Well, you must be dumber than I thought if you actually thought I'd tell her."


Rethinking this, it makes me think that Willi thought Katie was going to spill the beans to Dylan and Helen (them) and Leia (her). So whatever it is, is something that would affect Leia's impression of Willi, and we know that Mon being creampied wasn't a secret... so.... I got nothing. I literally can't imagine what Willi's hiding that was secret from Dylan, Helen and Leia.

I think it has something to do with Leia and Williams relationship. There has been a few instances where the relationship is discussed. Flashback Leia and William were talking about there month relationship and she said he has to give her something to celebrate. He gave her a heart cut out of wood. Remember at the last update to get her to talk to him he made a heart shaped out of wood and left it at her door.Katie mentioned about having his hand under Leia skirt. When they were on the couch watching the TV. William was talking about Leia doing wrong to Monica and she said how dare she take what was hers.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I think it has something to do with Leia and Williams relationship. There has been a few instances where the relationship is discussed. Flashback Leia and William were talking about there month relationship and she said he has to give her something to celebrate. He gave her a heart cut out of wood. Remember at the last update to get her to talk to him he made a heart shaped out of wood and left it at her door.Katie mentioned about having his hand under Leia skirt. When they were on the couch watching the TV. William was talking about Leia doing wrong to Monica and she said how dare she take what was hers.

But if the 'her' is Leia, Katie telling Leia about Willi and Leia makes no sense. That's why I think it is something else. Also the way Leia greets Miru, the banter between Willi and Leia, it's like everyone in the family would have to be blind or deaf not to notice. If the 'her' mentioned is Leia and Katie thought William was stupid to think she'd tell 'her', what was Willi worried that Katie could threaten to tell Leia that Leia doesn't know?

 

[Adhdclassic]

But if the 'her' is Leia, Katie telling Leia about Willi and Leia makes no sense. That's why I think it is something else. Also the way Leia greets Miru, the banter between Willi and Leia, it's like everyone in the family would have to be blind or deaf not to notice. If the 'her' mentioned is Leia and Katie thought William was stupid to think she'd tell 'her', what was Willi worried that Katie could threaten to tell Leia that Leia doesn't know?

The her is not Leia. Your right doesn't make sense. Earlier in the threads someone said the grandmother since she wanted to put them in that religious cult. His mother was absolutely against it. If Katie had revealed that to the Grandmother that would have been all the ammo she needed to get them put in.

 

[BobTheDuck]

The her is not Leia. Your right doesn't make sense. Earlier in the threads someone said the grandmother since she wanted to put them in that religious cult. His mother was absolutely against it. If Katie had revealed that to the Grandmother that would have been all the ammo she needed to get them put in.

The thing is we don't know who the her is at all (it is just guesses and theories right now because the story doesn't say), but we do know that Leia's opinion is the most important one to Willi. Look for when he gets tears in his eyes and why. The grandmother sounds like he wasn't frightened of her at all when describing her, she was more of an annoyance or something worth laughing over than a threat or someone to cry over.

 

[LHDLLB]

The her vs them is pretty distinct, the context is about tearing the family apart, and Willi only really cares what family think of him, so I think it's most likely Leia - and that means something she'd not like at all.

In the old version, Katie being first was a thing, if you chose certain paths on the camping trip. Katie freaks out a bit because she gets to you first. Not sure if it'll play out the same way now.

Yeah, but there are more family members than those we have seen so far, and even so maybe is telling something bad that he did to someone one outside the family with the protecional to tear them apart, maybe William has beating someone and Dylan and Helen would cover for him but if Katie told "Her" William would be in much more trouble. Is not that I don't think it can be Leia, is just that as much things in Ocean games, we don't know enough.

I remember very little of the old version, but was trying to give food for thought,. Maybe ? I still am hoping for at least a Leia kiss in the next update and I am not expecting the camp trip for at least end of season.

In my head canon, was the "her" Katie talked about, aimed into the direction of the grandma. It's a while back since I played the scene, but as far as I remember, is the grandma described as a batshit crazy religious fanatic.

Entirely possible, but I'm not sure Willi would care about her opinion, based on the way he talked about the grandma, while we know 100% her cares a lot what Dylan, Helen and Leia think.

I too think is the grandmother, for not much reason beyond she was the first person that came to mind the first time I read it. Maybe is not that William cared about her opinion but his grandmother had a position to force her will upon him and the others, maybe send him and Leia to the religious camp or maybe cut money ( someone had say the the Zane money is
inherited ) either way he chose what he thought was the less of two evils.

By the way, it looks like the relationship between Katie and Zoy won’t last long. In the last chapter there was a small hint that the *opening* of the relationship was Zoye’s initiative, and Katie was't cool with it. Opening relationships with pushing rarely end well.

I think that we may influence how their relationship will evolve,strengthening or weakening it, katie is not trilled with the idea of Zoey having sex with William where Zoey is more than willing, than has the aspect that you mentioned, than has Katie's felling toward William. Maybe if Mc is on Katie's good side he has sex with Zoey with out drama, maybe he fucks Zoey to piss off Katie, I am not a NTR fan but it seems to me that cheating is at the core of much of the relationships, Mon, Dana, Helen in the game.
Just a long way to say that I agree for your reasons and others.

And in my opinion, this mystical Asavera can fit terribly into both the past and the present with the whole idea of revenge, betrayal, and the fact that William, through his actions, could have created the Princess and Asavera.
Going back in time. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that William himself made sure that Katie found out about his relationship with Leia. Let's just say that Leia is not the kind of person you can just break up with. Therefore,the *perfect* plan is outlined. Katie finds out, tells his parents, an explosion occurs, William is *forced* to freeze his relationship with Leia. However, Katie did not tell, and also accidentally found out about the third party.
Back to the present. Leia still doesn’t know the truth. However, uhhhh, even just friendship/business, not to mention a possible relationship with Asavera, is the highest form of betrayal. Even if the theory about the past with Asavera is incorrect, the present can provide many interesting and dangerous events.

Can't say that I fully agree but I like the ideia that William had a thing with Asavera, maybe this is one of the reasons Leia don't want to tell him much, and it does fit pretty well with the idea o betrayal the game has, but who might be she ? . Just don't see young William being the Machiavellian, but I can be wrong.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yeah, but there are more family members than those we have seen so far, and even so maybe is telling something bad that he did to someone one outside the family with the protecional to tear them apart, maybe William has beating someone and Dylan and Helen would cover for him but if Katie told "Her" William would be in much more trouble. Is not that I don't think it can be Leia, is just that as much things in Ocean games, we don't know enough.

I remember very little of the old version, but was trying to give food for thought,. Maybe ? I still am hoping for at least a Leia kiss in the next update and I am not expecting the camp trip for at least end of season.




I too think is the grandmother, for not much reason beyond she was the first person that came to mind the first time I read it. Maybe is not that William cared about her opinion but his grandmother had a position to force her will upon him and the others, maybe send him and Leia to the religious camp or maybe cut money ( someone had say the the Zane money is
inherited ) either way he chose what he thought was the less of two evils.



I think that we may influence how their relationship will evolve,strengthening or weakening it, katie is not trilled with the idea of Zoey having sex with William where Zoey is more than willing, than has the aspect that you mentioned, than has Katie's felling toward William. Maybe if Mc is on Katie's good side he has sex with Zoey with out drama, maybe he fucks Zoey to piss off Katie, I am not a NTR fan but it seems to me that cheating is at the core of much of the relationships, Mon, Dana, Helen in the game.
Just a long way to say that I agree for your reasons and others.



Can't say that I fully agree but I like the ideia that William had a thing with Asavera, maybe this is one of the reasons Leia don't want to tell him much, and it does fit pretty well with the idea o betrayal the game has, but who might be she ? . Just don't see young William being the Machiavellian, but I can be wrong.

I'm making a personal effort to not add theories that have too much reliance on things outside the stated plot ...but not having much luck. I've said it before, but Ocean is great at making mysteries, and making us care about discovering them.

I really like the direction of your thoughts. My reason for thinking her=Leia was more because I inherently believe that Willi was blackmailed over something more damaging than a non sexual relationship with Leia. The 'her' mentioned is someone Katie wouldn't be stupid enough to tell, so that does narrow it down. The grandmother having inheritance money - is that mentioned in the script? The way I read the novel the grandmother sounded like a strict lace doiley and teapot kind of grandmother - the kind that thinks a church summer camp is fun and wholesome rather than the start of a horror story. BUt thats not the script either, all we know is that the grandmother is there, and Helen used to burn the flyers for the camps, we've only got one mention of her, and it's not in a fearful way, it sounds more like the grandmother is a busybody and Helen was having none of it:


l "It's about an organization we've encountered in our youth."
l "Remember the flyers about these religious summer camps?"
l "Where our fucking grandma wanted to send us?"
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d "Oh yeah, I remember them."
d "Helen always burned them."


I do agree that it's more likely to be something more than Leia that caused William to leave, as he didn't flinch when Dana mentioned the rumours about him and Leia after he left.

I don't think the old version had anything specific to cause him to leave, but in the old version it was most likely being found out about Leia, whereas now I'm unsure. I think the idea of WIlli having set up up the conditions for someone as mysterious as Asavera is intriguing, but again it's not part of the script, so it's hard for me to agree without considering it a wild goose chase. But I do like the idea that Willi's action all those years ago set all these current dramas in motion, that the revenge or targeting of the Zane's is due to his lack of restaint or wisdom as a kid, and he crossed some serious boundaries. I don't think there was anything Machiavellian in his intents, but something that snowballed into the current situation (potentially).

And yeah, most of this could go 37 different ways, because all this is speculation extending the script to it's limits over pretty thin ice.