Anytime, I figured you'd appreciate something at your intellectual level for once
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RNasc4444
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I really didn't mean it like that. I have no issues with people being into Leia/Helen. And I'm neutral on incest. Depends on the game, the story and the characters. Similar to NTR. As long as it's not forced on the player without previous notice I'm absolutely fine with it.
I meant "fuck the kink fetish" as a way to dismiss anyone that has issues with the plot as it stands if the Zanes aren't all related. That's all.
Anyways I'm gonna stay away from this topic until the next update drops and we see how Ocean tackles this issue.
Just putting this in a spoiler because of web crawlers:
My own thought on incest in this game is that it's simply a hot potato, and I mean that purely for the risk it poses for Ocean's future revenue streams via third party providers (for both SG/WIAB). This seemingly came to fruition when WIAB was removed from Patreon. For me personally, incest is not my thing (having two sisters and, for a time, two foster sisters IRL just turns me off the subject), but I am happy to play games that contain it because I can more or less chose ignore it and pretend the whole landlady thing. I don't begrudge those that like it.
I said in a post a year or so ago that Ocean needs to either go all in or remove any hint of incest entirely. As it turns out, he didn't do that with SG Season 1 when he had the chance to do so with the Nika/Nami relationship. He keeps trying to maintain this illusion of ambiguity in both games, and I don't think that's working out.
Just to be clear, I want Ocean to either be unabashedly all in (thus, accepting the business/financial risk long term) or to remove the incest entirely. Enough of this nod, nod, wink, wink shit already. If he chooses the latter with WIAB, he needs to be doing it now, and, obviously, he needs to come up with a convincing alternative explanation for the existing relationship dynamics. EDIT: ... and the only way I can see Ocean achieving this is by not having William related by blood to the others.
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LHDLLB
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I fully agree, on all fronts, but right now there is nothing to do beside play the waiting game. When Ch4 is released we will know or at least have a idea of what direction he will go. Until then everything is really up in the air. But I would die laughing if after months of discussion the evil modder returned with a new mod, right after the release.
To be honest, my fear is that any changes made are done in a way that still retains too much inconsistency/ambiguity/contradiction in the story. That's why I advocate an all in or all out approach (an all out approach would leave that evil modder with some serious work to do
, to the point where the modded version of WIAB is akin to "What's Up, Tiger Lily?" )
LHDLLB
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I quite agree too, but I fear this will not be the approach, I am betting on a SG situation, for better or worse. Also what up tiver lily is a masterpiece.To be honest, my fear is that any changes made are done in a way that still retains too much inconsistency/ambiguity/contradiction in the story. That's why I advocate an all in or all out approach (an all out approach would leave that evil modder with some serious work to do
Well, this was worth a try...
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but what the sh''''t is that!!?That's no sense,if ocean fear about patreon rules,why doesn't patch like all others games of incest gen?it's simple and works,the idea of the reality show will desroy all the plot of the game...lolWell, this was worth a try...
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txe320
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It's;
Ocean won't do that idea of course, but he will probably scrap all incest stuff ans references. My guess is that MC's parents abandoned him or died or whatever and he was close to the family like, Helen was his mother or father best friend or something like that so he's really, REALLY close to that family, consider them like his own but they aren't related at all.
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That's what I'm talking about, you can change the story however you want until the game is over. Just put this conversation at the end of the game, make it a flashback and voila! All the plot holes are explained and it's clear as day why Nami is red.
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Finally the problem is solved XDWell, this was worth a try...
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And even if they dont enforce it, its not reaaallly a patreon issue.
If Subscribestar gets as big as patreon, the payment processors will start to take more detailed looks and it will be the exact same development.
I never bought porn online, but how do these guys get around it lol?
Because he CAN have his cake and eat it too. That story was very specifically written to avoid hangups by never addressing the legal status of their relationship. He DOES very clearly and repeatedly address they aren't biologically related, but there is no open discussion of adoption or foster care specifically. There is also never any discussion of what their relationship would be, tending to use their name and implication of that persons role in the others life. The American payment processors would be forced to try to argue the spirit of the law in a situation the water is as murky as a bog. And feel it necessary to single out a very specific game out of the thousands w/o justification.
There is no comparison to what he did in WiAB where he originally openly stated they were related.
I think he's going to have to spell out the changes in this case bc the original still exists and got him in trouble. If he doesn't, all it would take is some asshole reporting a render from the first version with a sexual render from the second version and WiAB gets nuked all over again. No one takes the time to do the research over this sort of thing, so Ocean needs proof of the negative in this case to protect the project. Or else he's going to eventually realize he's left himself to the mercy of a hoard of unhappy patrons who might just decide to blow it all up bc updates are taking too long on Summer's Gone.
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Nope, they fall under the specific category Abuse or Harm involving Incest. Under the Adult category doesn't mention anything with Incest. If they were really strict about Incest many VN developers and Comics developers would have been shutdown by now.
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This was pointed out to me by a developer. And I've told you before, SS is just making the view to the side, just for now.
Not sure of the argument here other than it coming off as saying that the only reason William would return is if it was a family member going through shit. I have family that I'd sooner pour gas on than piss on to put them out if they were on fire. I have a couple friends who I'd prioritize over family in any circumstance. I'd go to hell and back to help them, regardless of the personal risks.Yossa? Is that you?
I could not possibly disagree more with your view on this. You say there is more to the story than...lets use the words "family relationships" instead of "incest" here. There isn't. Not yet at least. All we have right now is a premise. And that premise is the MC returning to a place he didn't want to go back to, to see people he didn't want to see again because his not-mother got into an accident and refuses to speak now.
No she wasn't hurt. She isn't dying. She doesn't need blood or a vital organ. She just "lost her voice". How does it make any fucking sense whatsoever for William to put himself through something he REALLY doesn't want to just to see an unrelated lady that isn't speaking anymore!?!?!?
So I ask what else is there besides "family relationship drama"?
Someone going mute is the result of severe psychological trauma. My eldest sister went through such a period. That's enough to get you there bc that sort of damage can be just as dangerous as physical trauma. The fact that it's the result of a crime is enough justification to keep you there. Now, the trauma just has to justify Helen becoming mute. And if Helen is going to be a LI, that relationship will have to be redefined. Summer's Gone has the benefit of clarifying Nami isn't related biologically and leaving the rest completely vague. At least in regards to the legal terminology that would fire off the red flags.
I agree w/ your comment about Katie. And to clarify, my position is this story can easily be told w/o incest. The problem is, the original exists. The closer we get to certain events repeating, the more necessary it becomes for Ocean to spell things out. Waiting until the end isn't an option bc it would be too easy for an unhappy fan to nuke the project again. Waiting until the end is not an option here. You're talking tens of thousands of fans actively choosing NOT to be cancerous assholes just once for YEARS for us to reach the end of this story. That's an irrational level of faith in humanity.
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Now he has clarify that they may have different parents, before S1, even that was ambiguous and before I don't think it was defined. But I agree that is much easier in SG to muddle the waters than it is here, even if the intent is pretty clear. Regarding WiaB, I also agree that the more clear he is the better, problem is that he has not a reccord of being clear