VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Still a Patreon violation. Incest taboos also cover non blood family relations. This is of course if Patreon violations still matter for reasons of protecting SG.(Though that should be easy to avoid by just not mentioning sexual relations of wiab family members in sg)

Pretty much anything can be a patreon violation. Before long they'll work out about handholding.

The money is on utter letdown, but we will see if he can make a good remake of the remale again. I am very sceptical this time around, since the way the story was structured, cannot be altered too much. We already saw the seams breaking apart with the teasers.

I mean it's a week until you find out. Why spend that whole week telling yourself how much it's going to suck based on one sentence and a short vague paragraph that was deleted? Soon you'll be able to work out whether it was worth it or not. In the meantime, it's like 14 coffees away or something.

Can there be other dark noire ultraviolent things that happen when we have Willi with an axe and Helen with a hand cannon? Are there already hints of NTR renders on the Steam page? Yes. (Dana parallels between Willi and the unknown guy in the white shirt and tie).

I believe a credible story can be made. It might not be the story some people were waiting for, but the question isn't whether it's the same, but whether it's convincing enough to be enjoyable. We don't know what the changes are, and we can find out soon.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

If you read my post, I also said that deep connections between foster family members are possible and happen. But in WIAB the Zane family was very dysfunctional going by the info we gain along the road. It is quite improbable that Willi would return into such a foster family. Hell, even full blood-related Willi was not all that eager to return and he had even closer ties.

Remember that he absolutely loved Helen to the point where he said that her soothing voice was one of his favorite things he remembers from his childhood. He didn't come back because Leia asked nicely, he came back because he heard something bad happened to Helen.

 

[yossa999]

If you read my post, I also said that deep connections between foster family members are possible and happen. But in WIAB the Zane family was very dysfunctional going by the info we gain along the road. It is quite improbable that Willi would return into such a foster family. Hell, even full blood-related Willi was not all that eager to return and he had even closer ties.

Yeah, but bro The_Man_With_No_Name already mentioned the "special" connection MC feels with Helen. Heck, it's more common for even blood-related siblings to call each other once a year or less - that's how bond they are. What do they have in common, other than documents proving their relationship and shared genes? For example, MC's relationship with Katie has always been tense, no matter how blood related they are or not. So, dysfunctional their family or not, he still feels the bond with Helen and deeply cares about her.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yeah, but bro The_Man_With_No_Name already mentioned the "special" connection MC feels with Helen. Heck, it's more common for even blood-related siblings to call each other once a year or less - that's how bond they are. What do they have in common, other than documents proving their relationship and shared genes? For example, MC's relationship with Katie has always been tense, no matter how blood related they are or not. So, dysfunctional their family or not, he still feels the bond with Helen and deeply cares about her.

And it should be mentioned that we don't know why he left yet in this version. They're all angry toward him BECAUSE he left. He didn't leave to get away from the family, he was in whichever version running from the consequences of his actions, not from people. We just don't know those actions yet. And in this version, I suspect that Helen's situation will end up having been a consequence of what Willi was fleeing from.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I suspect that Helen's situation will end up having been a consequence of what Willi was fleeing from.

I don't know, I suspect that if that were the case, William would have already acknowledged his guilt or at least suspected that he had caused the situation.

 

[Adhdclassic]

And it should be mentioned that we don't know why he left yet in this version. They're all angry toward him BECAUSE he left. He didn't leave to get away from the family, he was in whichever version running from the consequences of his actions, not from people. We just don't know those actions yet. And in this version, I suspect that Helen's situation will end up having been a consequence of what Willi was fleeing from.

I don't know I get the feeling it has something to do with that church.

 

[Jantio1999]

And in this version, I suspect that Helen's situation will end up having been a consequence of what Willi was fleeing from.

I suspect in 10 years we will still not know...

 

[Turret]

I believe a credible story can be made. It might not be the story some people were waiting for, but the question isn't whether it's the same, but whether it's convincing enough to be enjoyable. We don't know what the changes are, and we can find out soon.

That is the point here! Figuratively speaking, Ocean promised us a tasty cheese cake (we have the luck to have an exceptional city quarter bakery here, real German cheese cake with fluffy Schichtkäse Quark creme, not the mud some others call cheese cake, esp. industrial cake). Now going by what info slipped through, it won´t be a cheese cake but an apple crumble cake. (Also a very tasiy cake from that bakery) This cake might be tasty too, but it will not be a cheese cake as he told us.

It now depends if Ocean (hopefully) squashed the ideas he had to make WIAB more patron-palatable or if he went through with it to make WIAB a simple soap opera.

Remember that he absolutely loved Helen to the point where he said that her soothing voice was one of his favorite things he remembers from his childhood. He didn't come back because Leia asked nicely, he came back because he heard something bad happened to Helen.

Granted and you might have read that I too said that close bonds exist be it blood or foster families. Don´t get hung up on this example. It was just one domino stone of several. A lot of the stuff hinted at in the first 3 chapters will grew more and more flimsy, if Ocean went through with his "new" bigot appeacement for Patreon so SG stays safe.
Steam gives a flying fuck if there is incest or gore in the game. Hell, we in Germany are geoblocked not because of stuff like this, but because it is possible for underage persons to access the 18+ pages. Faeser, incompetence in human form, and her merry band of Buggered should retroactively kicked daily for spooking Steam with a regulation they never did in the end.

 

[Turret]

I don't know, I suspect that if that were the case, William would have already acknowledged his guilt or at least suspected that he had caused the situation.

Quite correct, not to forget it is already seven years since Willi fled.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I suspect in 10 years we will still not know...

Only 10, you have to be an optimist

 

[BobTheDuck]

I don't know I get the feeling it has something to do with that church.

Yeah agreed, and there's a chance Willi could've beaten the crap out of the golden child, who's now grown up and hads the cult. Infinite possibilities to tie things together.

I don't know, I suspect that if that were the case, William would have already acknowledged his guilt or at least suspected that he had caused the situation.

Cause and effect is not always a linear process, revenge is best served cold, stuff like that. I'm really just arguing for people to have an open mind because Ocean even from Ch1 said it's not the same plot, but we all still gravitate to the old plot to fill in the gaps.

When the villain reveal is done Willi will shed a tear for all the unknown suffering he set in motion, if it's the case. But give the axe and gun preview, there's certainly a blief on Helen's path that words are not needed to resolve some things.

That is the point here! Figuratively speaking, Ocean promised us a tasty cheese cake (we have the luck to have an exceptional city quarter bakery here, real German cheese cake with fluffy Schichtkäse Quark creme, not the mud some others call cheese cake, esp. industrial cake). Now going by what info slipped through, it won´t be a cheese cake but an apple crumble cake. (Also a very tasiy cake from that bakery) This cake might be tasty too, but it will not be a cheese cake as he told us.

It now depends if Ocean (hopefully) squashed the ideas he had to make WIAB more patron-palatable or if he went through with it to make WIAB a simple soap opera.

Certainly, I see that point, but it's worth seeing if the apple crumble is maybe just a great. I've ordered at a resaurant only to be told they've run out of the cheesecake, would sir like to select something else from the menu? etc. The old story is abandoned, because Ocean admitted it was full of holes that he couldn't fix. I still hope that dessert is tasty, and that I can have my cake and eat it too

The crime side of things I think is already superior to the previous version: the previous version, had uncle Joe, but now we see the farm, the drug lab, there's caches of guns mentioned, Leia has a gang of employed muscle, the organised crime side of the Zane's is far more detailed now. I think there's a good chance that the crime side will surpassthe original. But based on some of the renders I also suspec there will be a lot of detective stuff, and tense sleuthing. And some Miru kicking ass - there's no reason for her to be training Leia to fight if we don't get some fighty fights.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Yeah agreed, and there's a chance Willi could've beaten the crap out of the golden child, who's now grown up and hads the cult. Infinite possibilities to tie things together.



Cause and effect is not always a linear process, revenge is best served cold, stuff like that. I'm really just arguing for people to have an open mind because Ocean even from Ch1 said it's not the same plot, but we all still gravitate to the old plot to fill in the gaps.

When the villain reveal is done Willi will shed a tear for all the unknown suffering he set in motion, if it's the case. But give the axe and gun preview, there's certainly a blief on Helen's path that words are not needed to resolve some things.

My point is that Willy is prone to blame himself, if he had a chance that his actions led to this he would have already made it clear that he suspected it.

 

[yossa999]

I suspect in 10 years we will still not know...

So come and let us mourn in truthful lamentation
Together or alone, or both in alternation.

 

[BobTheDuck]

My point is that Willy is prone to blame himself, if he had a chance that his actions led to this he would have already made it clear that he suspected it.

Willi is prone to blaming himself now, 'Monster Basher Brutal 3000' Willi has all the sensitivity of a bowling ball. He might not have connected the consequences to others for whatever he did. Might not know who he was beating up or messing with or whatever the case is. Mysteries love those reveals, and Ocean loves red herrings and reveals. So I'm most likely wrong, but the idea that there is a complex chain of events that set of at the beginning is most likely true. The antagonist is so far either a citywide gang or a national cult who are personally targeting the Zanes. It's going to have all kinds of angles.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Willi is prone to blaming himself now, 'Monster Basher Brutal 3000' Willi has all the sensitivity of a bowling ball. He might not have connected the consequences to others for whatever he did. Might not know who he was beating up or messing with or whatever the case is. Mysteries love those reveals, and Ocean loves red herrings and reveals. So I'm most likely wrong, but the idea that there is a complex chain of events that set of at the beginning is most likely true. The antagonist is so far either a citywide gang or a national cult who are personally targeting the Zanes. It's going to have all kinds of angles.

Cult, gangs, corrupt officials, maybe more and they are tied in some way it seems. Wollust has a big underbelly in WIAB compared to SG. The Zanes and their allies will need to get some control of things so in 22-23 years(however old Maja is)emo boy can brood in peace.

 

[Turret]

The old story is abandoned, because Ocean admitted it was full of holes that he couldn't fix. I still hope that dessert is tasty, and that I can have my cake and eat it too

As I mentioned, my problem is not the rework from old WIAB to new WIAB 1-3. That was done really well and even kept most of the old core storylines and characterisations, just reworked, expanded and fitting better.
Now going by the slipped info, this current new rework for ch.4 will throw out a lot of the core storylines and some characters will just look the same as before, but never be the same again. Not for story reasons, but to brownnose Patreon to keep SG safe.

 

[Crashbullet]

And it should be mentioned that we don't know why he left yet in this version. They're all angry toward him BECAUSE he left. He didn't leave to get away from the family, he was in whichever version running from the consequences of his actions, not from people. We just don't know those actions yet. And in this version, I suspect that Helen's situation will end up having been a consequence of what Willi was fleeing from.

So it seemed obvious that William and Leya indulged in carnal pleasures, Katie saw them and began to blackmail them, or eventually began to make malicious jokes in the presence of her parents, William pressed her and she said she would tell everything.
I'm 99% sure of that.

 

[Miranha157]

It happens when it is a side game for the dev, and the dev doesn't care about it as much as their main game, and it doesn't help that they rework the game after every update.

I'm following your line of reasoning, SGe WeB is not important to him at all kkkkkkkkkkk.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Cult, gangs, corrupt officials, maybe more and they are tied in some way it seems. Wollust has a big underbelly in WIAB compared to SG. The Zanes and their allies will need to get some control of things so in 22-23 years(however old Maja is)emo boy can brood in peace.

Well, we saw Emilio in SG, and we have illegal races. The difference is Nika is unaware of these elements because he's a recluse. I think a fun part of SG for us WiaB players will be seeing NIka realise things we already know.

As I mentioned, my problem is not the rework from old WIAB to new WIAB 1-3. That was done really well and even kept most of the old core storylines and characterisations, just reworked, expanded and fitting better.
Now going by the slipped info, this current new rework for ch.4 will throw out a lot of the core storylines and some characters will just look the same as before, but never be the same again. Not for story reasons, but to brownnose Patreon to keep SG safe.

I agree, the rework has consolidated the essence of things well, and expanded on others, making it more engaging to me. The raccoon in the clothing store in the old version, not so engaging.

Regards the slipped info, we'll have to see. The big reveal that got deleted still keeps the most important relationship. But we'll see how it works. What if it's a more compelling story in the end? Ocean's reworked things because he can't see a way to continue down what to him is a dead end. Brown nosing or not, the onus is on him to make it better than before, because people have higher expectations these days.

So it seemed obvious that William and Lesya indulged in carnal pleasures, Katie saw them and began to blackmail them, or eventually began to make malicious jokes in the presence of her parents, William pressed her and she said she would tell everything.
I'm 99% sure of that.

In the old version it wasn't even that - Leia and Willi still hadn't done anything other than kiss and make out, and Willi ran away over that. I don't think Ocean will give such a lame reason for the setup this time, it will be serious, and it might be the blackmail again (except patreon is against blackmail, so... it's a good thing this isn't on patreon I guess).

The innuendo I'm getting between the lines is that Leia is an ice princess, and has kept herself faithful to Willi. But if he banged Mon like a cumdump on the kitchen table, who knows what blackmail would work on Willi? I guess we'll see. I just think Ocean might have made the cause something neutral so it still has meaning and consequences even if you're going for a different LI.

 

[sorco2003]

Cult, gangs, corrupt officials, maybe more and they are tied in some way it seems. Wollust has a big underbelly in WIAB compared to SG. The Zanes and their allies will need to get some control of things so in 22-23 years(however old Maja is)emo boy can brood in peace.

I'm not one to defend SG (that minor product that has its own thread for things like "defending" it), but, you have to keep in mind that WIAB is SG's world, so anything that is put together in WIAB can (in principle) be the same in SG's basement.
I mean, the underworld of WIAB that will be built, is the underworld of SG that will be discovered as time goes by....