VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[RNasc4444]

I raised a daughter for the past 12 years, so I guess I got the message to "let it go."

Weird thing to include. Feel like this should be directed at Ocean for the games he created but hey congrats on raising a daughter!

 

[Maccabbee]

Weird thing to include. Feel like this should be directed at Ocean for the games he created but hey congrats on raising a daughter!

I'd feel kinda weird about a Frozen reference without that context, most especially here.

 

[RNasc4444]

I actually think SG can work well with out incest, just make ir a strangeness of Noji because she raised the two of them and a resistence of Nika out of it. The problem is the The Race of Impossible Odds point and the talk outside Vic's house but at the time ocean was still wikining at us. Curious if he will change some dialogues befote S2 drops

Agreed! I feel like SG doesn't rely on it nearly as much. As long as you can find a plausible explanation for the MC and Nami ending up on Nojiko's care, that is. But it does require those script reworks.

 

[Maccabbee]

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As for the reason William left now, it's because he broke some mafia rules that forbade him from having a relationship with Leia.
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And, as I've been shown repeatedly, with Katie as well. Will was a player even back in his teens.

 

[RNasc4444]

It seems like the MC has a bad relationship with Katie and Leia because he left the family in the past. Has the reason for that ever been revealed? English isn’t my first language, so I sometimes have a hard time understanding everything while playing the game.

It's not really explained. It is implied that he left for multiple reasons. Two of which were because he had a relationship with Leia and kissed Katie at some point.

Why would that make him leave? Because apparently the Mafia didn't like that.

 

[Maccabbee]

It's not really explained. It is implied that he left for multiple reasons. Two of which were because he had a relationship with Leia and kissed Katie at some point.

Why would that make him leave? Because apparently the Mafia didn't like that.

Part of it is also that while he loves Helen, he also seems to be terrified of her when she's angry. Death by snu-snu, perhaps?

 

[hoshin0119]

Katie is angry because William and Leia tortured her when they were little. Leia is angry because William left her behind without saying anything when he left.
As for the reason William left now, it's because he broke some mafia rules that forbade him from having a relationship with Leia.
Poor Alexander mistreated in other topics too XD

What do you mean by "mafia rules" exactly? In the game, it shows that the main character left when he was young. Was he actually connected to the mafia in any way?

 

[Dr.TSoni]

What do you mean by "mafia rules" exactly? In the game, it shows that the main character left when he was young. Was he actually connected to the mafia in any way?

Ocean made some changes and now the Zanes are a mafia family

 

[Maviarab]

What do you mean by "mafia rules" exactly? In the game, it shows that the main character left when he was young. Was he actually connected to the mafia in any way?

His family was...as is every other family.

The families have rules regarding who the kids can associate/be with. They are used as political pawns for alliance marriages. Much like in olden nobility days (hell, even probably these days too I imagine).

This is why the faux outrage is a little hyperbolic. This shit did happen in the past and probably still does. It's just a huge jarring change from what came before.

 

[Turret]

Shout louder, maybe we'll hear you? Come on, we've heard your points repeatedly. We can also offer our points repeatedly.

As loud as you shout - when a patron OFFERED to send Ocean some criticism, you just rehashed the i-theme. You don't have a plot solution for WiaB that satisfies Steam or SS's terms. Your steam/free speech defense of your points won't get you anywhere now, you'd better shout at Steam. And paypal will target GOG before long, it's just smaller so less noticeable.

So really, tell us again how to right a story that is abandoned, tell us again how to get a plot blocked on the platforms that devs rely on for income. You haven't written a cohesive critique that wouldn't risk th game being banned.

If you really believe in free speech and people's right to their own opinion, other people enjoying the game shouldn't offend you.

Thanks for showing us how "well" you read other discutant´s posts! And how "nicely" you try to smear others. Unlike what you try to insinuate, I sent said Patron some ideas what could be done.
I also showed a variant how to save the basic background WIAB started with and without(!) the "I"-arc. But I know, you olny read what you want to see, not what the other poster actually writes.

 

[hoshin0119]

His family was...as is every other family.

The families have rules regarding who the kids can associate/be with. They are used as political pawns for alliance marriages. Much like in olden nobility days (hell, even probably these days too I imagine).

This is why the faux outrage is a little hyperbolic. This shit did happen in the past and probably still does. It's just a huge jarring change from what came before.

I understand now that the setting changed so that they’re a mafia family... but aren’t William and Leia siblings? Or is Leia from a different mafia family?
In the game, she appears as Leia Zane. Leia didn’t marry a man from the Zane family either...


The game is really hard to understand...

 

[Maviarab]

I understand now that the setting changed so that they’re a mafia family... but aren’t William and Leia siblings? Or is Leia from a different mafia family?
In the game, she appears as Leia Zane. Leia didn’t marry a man from the Zane family either...


The game is really hard to understand...

Leia and William were taken in by the Zanes as young children after their familes were murdered/executed (there was a no child kill order in place). So they adopt the Zane family name as they grew up in that household. Nothing more. They are no longer related to each other. The police board at the end of the chapter clearly shows them having different surnames.

 

[LHDLLB]

I understand now that the setting changed so that they’re a mafia family... but aren’t William and Leia siblings? Or is Leia from a different mafia family?
In the game, she appears as Leia Zane. Leia didn’t marry a man from the Zane family either...


The game is really hard to understand...

Man I am not a native speaker as well, I understand how hard it is to learn a new language. But you should really play the game again, you not just missed minor things you missed whole plot points. Do a new read more slow and whatchful that 70 per cent of your doubts will disappear.

 

[RNasc4444]

The game is really hard to understand...

Just keep in mind that it's not you. And your English reading comprehension is fine.

It's just convoluted, senseless, dogshit writing.

 

[yossa999]

Mon is an angel

The wish to hatefuck Willie is easily read on her angelic face.
And while Ben didn't immediately realize who Willie was, it's not like he was so stupid as to not notice the "unique dynamic" between Lord Grimaldi-Zane and Monica. He certainly has a reason to be jealous, unlike Gary.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Thanks for showing us how "well" you read other discutant´s posts! And how "nicely" you try to smear others. Unlike what you try to insinuate, I sent said Patron some ideas what could be done.
I also showed a variant how to save the basic background WIAB started with and without(!) the "I"-arc. But I know, you olny read what you want to see, not what the other poster actually writes.

He should have kept the Zanes being a family, Willi and Leia fled because they began to get closer than twins should, a short-circuit reaction due to them being 16 years old teenagers.

That's actually not true, I did read it. You still want to have Leia and Willi related, and leaving because of ...feelings that are taboo. Narratively that is not an i-theme that would get a book banned, but WiaB's patron was banned when that was all that it had in it: Ch1 - Ch3 was banned when the only sexual relation ship was with Miru, and there wasn't even an actual kiss shared, massaging Helen when we didn't even have Helen spoken of as anyone other than Helen.

So that is not a narrative solution, as that is what already got banned. You might not consider it an i-theme, but patreon did. You can remove the LI options, but the foundation of the kids having those feeling towards each other seems to have been enough in this case. Considering it got banned with such tame content, any basis of a story on that family premise is going to have more scrutiny.

And smearing others? Well, please stop refering to fans as simps just because they don't share your opinions. Again, you just wish free speech for you opinions, but ridicule others for theirs. You're conveniently ignoring that the i-themes are going to be under close scrutiny, less see what the fallout is before trying to get devs to commit business suicide with no payment processors.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Ohh no no that's Edgar. He's in another game.

I can't unsee the similarities

I was thinking about posting the same thing while playing TNT, but eventually didn't bother

 

[rohit2308]

Just played this game for the first time, but my game ended after chapter 3 (as per the walkthrough), after Leia calls. Can anyone please tell me why this happened?

 

[Crashbullet]

Ch1 - Ch3 was banned when the only sexual relation ship was with Miru

In principle, we can start the countdown, "KO!" This was the most technical and reasoned left hook.

PS Can even print out these words and put them in a frame or on the main page of the game.

 

[jadepaladin]

Just played this game for the first time, but my game ended after chapter 3 (as per the walkthrough), after Leia calls. Can anyone please tell me why this happened?

You have a mod or i patch installed that hasn't been updated for chapter 4.