VN Ren'Py Completed Wicked Choices: Book One [Remastered v1.0.1] [ASLPro3D]

[Hercule_Poirot]

The prologue doesn't seem to be off to a good start. Don't get me wrong, it was fun to try different choices, but the fun died when I realized that it didn't matter the choices you made, that the outcome never changed. That's a shame, because it takes away from the experience. Stating that the mc's niece can't do anything about her situation is absurd. I know it's a game, but even someone like her could come up with several logical solutions. It doesn't have to be a perfect solution either.

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My point is that there are several possible ways for Claire to get his attention and recruit him as an ally instead of just blindly following orders from people who clearly don't give a shit about her well-being.

PS: A game over isn't a different path, it's just a dead end.

 

[Palanto]

Stating that the mc's niece can't do anything about her situation is absurd. I know it's a game, but even someone like her could come up with several logical solutions. It doesn't have to be a perfect solution either.

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My point is that there are several possible ways for Claire to get his attention and recruit him as an ally instead of just blindly following orders from people who clearly don't give a shit about her well-being.

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And about the choices that don't really matter in the prologue.
Well that was because he didn't know how to do it then, he does now. So coming chapters it'll change a little

 

[Palanto]

This is in all honesty a difficult subject, so there'll be all kinds of different opinions on that. I'll just wait for the next chapters to see what happens and why she did what she did, I bet we'll get an explanation later on.

It's still nice and fun to see how many different opinions there are on a single scene!

 

[Hercule_Poirot]

I see your point. It could go either way, but nowadays it's more difficult to keep that type of abuse hidden. Especially because apparently her current problem has been going on for 4 years. People are not stupid, even if she doesn't say anything, her behavior will show more than enough for anyone with common sense to suspect she's a victim of abuse. She's not a robot, you know?

Another thing to take into consideration is the fact that the MC is doesn't look that old, maybe 40 at most, and he looks fit enough for her to feel safe around him. Not only doesn't he look like a pushover, but also his age gives him an edge against someone as young and impulsive as his nephew.


PS: I hope the lack of meaningful choices improves over time.

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[ASLPro3D]

Yeah, I won't be doing spoilers... I like playing my cards very close to my chest and freaking people out too much to do spoilers (I think @Palanto Games can attest to that by now)!!

As for NTR, I really haven't much planned in that area and if it does, it would probably be even without me knowing it!

 

[ASLPro3D]

I see your point. It could go either way, but nowadays it's more difficult to keep that type of abuse hidden. Especially because apparently her current problem has been going on for 4 years. People are not stupid, even if she doesn't say anything, her behavior will show more than enough for anyone with common sense to suspect she's victim of abuse. She's not a robot, you know?

Oh, there is a reason for that, which will be revealed in Chapter Five... not going to say what, but things will become a little more clearer...

Another thing to take into consideration is the fact that the MC is doesn't look that old, maybe 40 at most, and he looks fit enough for her to feel safe around him. Not only doesn't he look like a pushover, but also his age gives him an edge against someone as young and impulsive as his nephew.

Oh yeah, for sure and nail on the head... but that will be Chapter Six when we get to that. It will be... good.

PS: I hope the lack of meaningful choices improves over time.

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Thanks to the help from @Palanto Games there will slowly be more options, I am still getting my feet wet in this and had my hands tied quite a bit, just need to stretch my legs some now that I finally have some more abilities.

 

[Thornhill]

As testament to the power this game has exerted on me I find myself at 2:30 in the morning, up for work in just under 4 hours but unable to sleep thinking about it. So instead I am posting here. This is definitely one of those (several) games I wish I had the finances to support (it has taken me just under 22 months to save up enough money for a new carpet for one room in my house !).

Firstly, many thanks to ASLPro3d for taking the time from his hectic schedule to reply to my previous issues. I appreciate it. To clarify though, I don't object to rape in a game per se, only if it's gratuitous (which in this case it was not) or portrayed as enjoyable to the victims (which in Chapter 1 it was). I would never ask anyone to compromise their artistic vision but was merely expressing my own personal likes and dislikes. Also, I am curious as to why the suicide ending for Claire was considered too much and removed but the suicide ending for Lynara was not and left in ?

Could I ask if any other players are willing to give me their thoughts on the character of Claire. Even after having glimpsed her horrendous home life, for which I obviously have great sympathy, I still feel very betrayed by her treacherous actions. Especially as she claims to love the MC (to me one of the defining characteristics of love is to value the loved ones welfare above your own, or anything else for that matter, whereas Claire has done exactly the opposite). I also get the impression that I am 'supposed' to forgive her (and gain her allegiance against her contemptible family), which IRL I would never be able to do for someone who had done that to me - and I'm not even the Antichrist ! I hope I get the choice not to, although I am keen to see if the writer can change my mind.

With regards to the other characters in Chapter 1 only Lynara and Carina seem likeable. For a society of 'Heavenly' angels Lynara's people seem quite demonic - cold, cruel, vengeful, eager to humiliate (rape) and keeping sex slaves (if those chains and manacles are anything to go by). Even the Aunt is happy, or willing, to employ monsters that will rape and eat her enemies. Are they a totally matriarchal or Amazonian society (I have seen no males, and rampant lesbianism) ?

Frankly, at this stage in the game I would be quite willing to side with the demons (as about the only thing we have been told of them is that they are constantly tortured in Hell).

I look forward to seeing more of Michelle and meeting Terri (infidelity is another sticking point for me in porn games, whereas most people seem to prefer a harem style game, so I am curious how the MC's relationship with her develops).

And finally, I forgot to mention how much I enjoyed one other feature - the choice of perspective during Claire's ordeal was very well done and offered great insight into all 3 characters. I hope this appears again in future updates.

Sorry to go on but insomnia makes me grouchy.

Ok, Andrew, i'll take you up on that. I don't see Claire in that light. She was doing what she needed to do to survive in that demented environment. And at least to a point, she didn't knew any better. It was only at that horrific scene, where she's getting raped, while her own mother smiles in contempt, that she has an epiphany. Her Uncle, a perv, no doubt, treated her with kindness. Her closest relatives treated her with cruelty. That's when she decides to flip. And that's why the Dev's Missus was spot on not allowing her to commit suicide. She's now Jodie Foster in " the Accused " , or "The stranger in me ", or Lisbeth Salander in the Millenium Series. She's such an interesting character, that our Dev SHOULD sleep in the barn had he wasted her potential for the story ahead ! LOL ! Your definition of Love speaks highly of yourself, BUT i have to disagree. You're describing Altruism, not Love per se. They should be one and the same, BUT often, they're not.

 

[vir_cotto]

As testament to the power this game has exerted on me I find myself at 2:30 in the morning, up for work in just under 4 hours but unable to sleep thinking about it. So instead I am posting here. This is definitely one of those (several) games I wish I had the finances to support (it has taken me just under 22 months to save up enough money for a new carpet for one room in my house !).

Firstly, many thanks to ASLPro3d for taking the time from his hectic schedule to reply to my previous issues. I appreciate it. To clarify though, I don't object to rape in a game per se, only if it's gratuitous (which in this case it was not) or portrayed as enjoyable to the victims (which in Chapter 1 it was). I would never ask anyone to compromise their artistic vision but was merely expressing my own personal likes and dislikes. Also, I am curious as to why the suicide ending for Claire was considered too much and removed but the suicide ending for Lynara was not and left in ?

Could I ask if any other players are willing to give me their thoughts on the character of Claire. Even after having glimpsed her horrendous home life, for which I obviously have great sympathy, I still feel very betrayed by her treacherous actions. Especially as she claims to love the MC (to me one of the defining characteristics of love is to value the loved ones welfare above your own, or anything else for that matter, whereas Claire has done exactly the opposite). I also get the impression that I am 'supposed' to forgive her (and gain her allegiance against her contemptible family), which IRL I would never be able to do for someone who had done that to me - and I'm not even the Antichrist ! I hope I get the choice not to, although I am keen to see if the writer can change my mind.

With regards to the other characters in Chapter 1 only Lynara and Carina seem likeable. For a society of 'Heavenly' angels Lynara's people seem quite demonic - cold, cruel, vengeful, eager to humiliate (rape) and keeping sex slaves (if those chains and manacles are anything to go by). Even the Aunt is happy, or willing, to employ monsters that will rape and eat her enemies. Are they a totally matriarchal or Amazonian society (I have seen no males, and rampant lesbianism) ?

Frankly, at this stage in the game I would be quite willing to side with the demons (as about the only thing we have been told of them is that they are constantly tortured in Hell).

I look forward to seeing more of Michelle and meeting Terri (infidelity is another sticking point for me in porn games, whereas most people seem to prefer a harem style game, so I am curious how the MC's relationship with her develops).

And finally, I forgot to mention how much I enjoyed one other feature - the choice of perspective during Claire's ordeal was very well done and offered great insight into all 3 characters. I hope this appears again in future updates.

Sorry to go on but insomnia makes me grouchy.

If Claire is independent young woman, with her own life, career, financially secured - I would agree with you.
But she's victimized child, she doesn't have any future - any life - outside her demented family. Not until now. What she did was because of self-preservation and I could accept that. I completely agree with @Thornhill about Claire.

 

[Thornhill]

If Claire is independent young woman, with her own life, career, financially secured - I would agree with you.
But she's victimized child, she doesn't have any future - any life - outside her demented family. Not until now. What she did was because of self-preservation and I could accept that. I completely agree with @Thornhill about Claire.

I would've liked your comment , if i could. came back from a 72 hour absence, and F95 is kinda fucked up. So, i can only like 30 comments in 12 hours ? Great ! What about the 72 hours i didn't had the chance to like anything, i'm going through the threads i follow, a gazillion, to see what happened ...so if can't like, from now on, i'll comment " i liked your comment "

 

[El bacca Del Chew]

I would've liked your comment , if i could. came back from a 72 hour absence, and F95 is kinda fucked up. So, i can only like 30 comments in 12 hours ? Great ! What about the 72 hours i didn't had the chance to like anything, i'm going through the threads i follow, a gazillion, to see what happened ...so if can't like, from now on, i'll comment " i liked your comment "

Look at the thread about the "spamming likes scandal", it's a real telenovela !

I really like what i read above on the 3 pages i missed during the weekend, the project seems to advance in a really good way and the combined chapters with influincing choices is great news.
@ASLPro3D , glad to see that you attracted some intelligents and constructives members to interact and i know for sure you will know how to use those feedbacks in the right way while keeping your own compas in sight.

Wasn't a constructive post, hehe, just glad to folow the adventure

 

[Thornhill]

Look at the thread about the "spamming likes scandal", it's a real telenovela !

I really like what i read above on the 3 pages i missed during the weekend, the project seems to advance in a really good way and the combined chapters with influincing choices is great news.
@ASLPro3D , glad to see that you attracted some intelligents and constructives members to interact and i know for sure you will know how to use those feedbacks in the right way while keeping your own compas in sight.

Wasn't a constructive post, hehe, just glad to folow the adventure

" I liked your comment ". I've seen it, but unfortunately, it was already shut down when i got there. So, the Mods decided, it's decided. "Dura Lex , Sed Lex ". But what about the folks who weren't those ten people, which is pretty much EVERYBODY, who don't post gifs, don't do shitposting, rarely do OT, and genuinely want to like a comment, but follow a bunch of threads ? Looks like the innocent are paying for the sins of others to me. I follow more than 30 threads. so, if i'm out for three days, i can't even like one comment per thread, in three days. C'est futou, non ?

 

[Andrew Rider]

Thanks for responding with interesting points.

Firstly, the infidelity remark was again only expressing my personal preference in games. I strongly prefer routes that focus on romancing one character at a time , whereas I get the impression a lot of people prefer shagging as many women as they can at the same time, unless it is a mind control/magic or similar scenario that would rationalise such an unlikely possibility for me. This preference does not stop me playing any game - usually only really appalling english will do that, or extreme illogicality (they may only be games but I do like them to be as realistic as possible or at least logical). In "Wicked Choices" the MC is the Antichrist, which is surely carte blanche to indulge in any kind of vice or moral lapse, and gives me the mindset necessary to enjoy multiple infidelities. My preference stems from real life events that probably also explain my extreme reaction to betrayal (especially after I enjoyed the Prologue so much).

I have been brooding today about Claire (I don't like being petty and vindictive, even though I am) and slowly the reality of her situation, and the sympathy I feel for her, has been eroding my anger. And then Palanto Games made his point about fear, which I had missed. Sir, I bow to your superior logic ! I would mention, though, that my ex has been a witness care officer for many years and has dealt with many cases of domestic violence/abuse. She told me that mostly these victims are willing to talk once trust is gained (although these are victims where the crime has already been reported) but that quite often, before a case can be prosecuted, the victim will withdraw from proceedings because (and they nearly always say the same thing) deep down "he really loves me". This is clearly not something that Claire thinks.

I still believe that what Claire feels is not love, more likely some twisted infatuation resulting from her horrible upbringing. I am not sure that I knew what love was at the age of 18. I know a lot more about it now and I don't believe my previously stated definition, or rather one defining characteristic, was altruism, which is directed towards others, in general because it includes putting one persons welfare above your own or everyone/thing else, even at the expense of everyone else. I would do anything for someone I love (not that there are many of those) or suffer any hardship for their sake. Having said all that this game, world and character have all been created by ASLPro3D so if they say Claire loves the MC then I should just accept it rather than cling to my preconceptions ! They would know after all !

Once again thanks for responding and giving me much to ponder (hopefully I can soon leave the thinking behind and enjoy the fapping).

 

[ASLPro3D]

I think @Thornhill and @vir_cotto have pretty much hit the bull's-eye, at least in the perspective that I seen it in as well... except for the barn part, I'd have to make a lot more money to be able to buy a barn to then be forced to live in it! Though, for a few hundred more a month, I suppose I could afford a shed... but it's been getting -2 or more at night around here and very hard to type while shivering!!

@El bacca Del Chew, thanks my friend!! This place has become a wealth of friendship, feedback and help for us here. Certainly a place where great friendships can be made...

...but like @Thornhill has pointed out.... don't have more then thirty of them or you can't like them in a day!

 

[ASLPro3D]

@Andrew Rider, oh... you'll never be able to leave the thinking behind when it comes to my work or games... sorry, I don't do mindless fap-fests.

As a person who was previously married (been with my current wife and who has put up with me for 25 years starting in September), but my previous marriage ended with me catching her in bed with my best friend and then she stabbed me three times in the chest while I was hooking him up to the back bumper of my car with a tow strap to take him for a little 'spin' while he was still in his underwear...

...if there was a character that was closest to her in my game, it would be Janice, Claire's mother... no doubt about it, personality, the contempt for others, her greed, manipulation and desire for power and personal goal, yeah that was my Ex... to a T (really didn't realize that I had created the representation of her till just now, really, but there you go).

Infidelity in real life is a bitch... it is the ultimate betrayal to have the person that you've opened your heart and let inside (behind your natural defenses) f*ck you over to the point where you want the world to end... or at least, your part in it, because it would just mean an end to the pain you feel... and then comes the anger... like a slow pressure cooker it boils and bubbles within you till you start popping off... it starts little, minor explosions of heated condensed anger that leaves those around you shocked at your outburst and venom... and then boils over into your everyday life where it becomes the instrument used to keep people away... and then comes the distrust and judging, seeing others and weighing them against your Ex, treating them with the anger, hatred and malice that really isn't theirs... you treat and judge them with the contempt that you could never direct at your Ex... and let be the one to tell you... DON'T!!

Don't ever judge someone else for the sins committed to you by your Ex... it isn't fair to the person trying to get close to you and it isn't fair to you. You deserve to be happy in this life and you only get one turn at it... there are NO second chances, don't let your Ex keep winning, the bitch ain't worth it! Nobody is like the other, they might say the same things, may look similar, but it is our experiences in life that shape who we are and allows us to draw a line to another person and form a bond.

That said, I need to get back to work here... got so much to do so that I can make the release date on time!!

 

[El bacca Del Chew]

Thanks for responding with interesting points.


Once again thanks for responding and giving me much to ponder (hopefully I can soon leave the thinking behind and enjoy the fapping).

You made some very intersting and valid points here and on previous posts, i won't argue for or against them now.

I just want to say that it might be better to see how the whole story unfold in the future chapters/updates, i don't say we can't talk about a story before the end but in this case, concerning the specific points you made, may be necessary to wait.

Btw you can enjoy an adult story even without the fapping, hahaha, in my younger days i've learn to enjoy the anticipation and the foreplays as much as the last 3 mns .

 

[Thornhill]

I think @Thornhill and @vir_cotto have pretty much hit the bull's-eye, at least in the perspective that I seen it in as well... except for the barn part, I'd have to make a lot more money to be able to buy a barn to then be forced to live in it! Though, for a few hundred more a month, I suppose I could afford a shed... but it's been getting -2 or more at night around here and very hard to type while shivering!!

@El bacca Del Chew, thanks my friend!! This place has become a wealth of friendship, feedback and help for us here. Certainly a place where great friendships can be made...

...but like @Thornhill has pointed out.... don't have more then thirty of them or you can't like them in a day!

" I liked your comment ". -2 ?? Ouch ! Where i'm at, we've got a pretty serious drought, it's gotten so bad, our dam's are risking running on empty. Not a drop of rain, and sunshine everyday, like it's still September. Some crazy northern europeans are still at the beaches . But, you know what i mean. I don't know jack about coding, but i know my storytelling. "Hell hath no fury as a Woman scorned " , right ? Claire is such a good character, she's risking stealing the show from our MC. Like Reese was "the man in the suit " in POI, then Root stole the show.

 

[ASLPro3D]

" I liked your comment ". -2 ?? Ouch ! Where i'm at, we've got a pretty serious drought, it's gotten so bad, our dam's are risking running on empty. Not a drop of rain, and sunshine everyday, like it's still September. Some crazy northern europeans are still at the beaches . But, you know what i mean. I don't know jack about coding, but i know my storytelling. "Hell hath no fury as a Woman scorned " , right ? Claire is such a good character, she's risking stealing the show from our MC. Like Reese was "the man in the suit " in POI, then Root stole the show.

Oh god, I loved Person of Interest (for those who don't know what @Thornhill is referring too)!!! Yeah, Root was the opposite of Reese, without compassion, without care... that is till she met Harold.

 

[Thornhill]

Thanks for responding with interesting points.

Firstly, the infidelity remark was again only expressing my personal preference in games. I strongly prefer routes that focus on romancing one character at a time , whereas I get the impression a lot of people prefer shagging as many women as they can at the same time, unless it is a mind control/magic or similar scenario that would rationalise such an unlikely possibility for me. This preference does not stop me playing any game - usually only really appalling english will do that, or extreme illogicality (they may only be games but I do like them to be as realistic as possible or at least logical). In "Wicked Choices" the MC is the Antichrist, which is surely carte blanche to indulge in any kind of vice or moral lapse, and gives me the mindset necessary to enjoy multiple infidelities. My preference stems from real life events that probably also explain my extreme reaction to betrayal (especially after I enjoyed the Prologue so much).

I have been brooding today about Claire (I don't like being petty and vindictive, even though I am) and slowly the reality of her situation, and the sympathy I feel for her, has been eroding my anger. And then Palanto Games made his point about fear, which I had missed. Sir, I bow to your superior logic ! I would mention, though, that my ex has been a witness care officer for many years and has dealt with many cases of domestic violence/abuse. She told me that mostly these victims are willing to talk once trust is gained (although these are victims where the crime has already been reported) but that quite often, before a case can be prosecuted, the victim will withdraw from proceedings because (and they nearly always say the same thing) deep down "he really loves me". This is clearly not something that Claire thinks.

I still believe that what Claire feels is not love, more likely some twisted infatuation resulting from her horrible upbringing. I am not sure that I knew what love was at the age of 18. I know a lot more about it now and I don't believe my previously stated definition, or rather one defining characteristic, was altruism, which is directed towards others, in general because it includes putting one persons welfare above your own or everyone/thing else, even at the expense of everyone else. I would do anything for someone I love (not that there are many of those) or suffer any hardship for their sake. Having said all that this game, world and character have all been created by ASLPro3D so if they say Claire loves the MC then I should just accept it rather than cling to my preconceptions ! They would know after all !

Once again thanks for responding and giving me much to ponder (hopefully I can soon leave the thinking behind and enjoy the fapping).

Hmm...can i make a suggestion ? While you wait for the next Chapter, try the Elsaverse Triology. That's my Gold Standard for Visual Novels. "Dreaming of Elsa ", "Rescue for Jessica " and "Finding Miranda " exclusively in this order. I think it's right up your alley ! Now, i'll get straight to the point : "Love ". From experience, and learning, most people don't "love " . They "need ". Boy meets girl. Boy likes girl. Boy wants to keep girl. Boy thinks he loves the girl, but one day, he wakes up, realises there's a person inside that girl, and decides to throw that person in the bin and replace it with someone else. The most common error Men make with girls. Men objectify Women through their bodies, Women objectify Men through their status. When i was 17, i fell head over feet . I would've died for that girl. She would've been a cover model , had she not a bad eye. She no self-esteem. So , i came in, and helped her see her worth, inside and outside. It worked, in no time flat, she dumped me for an older guy, who had a car. Lesson learned ! It wasn't the last time my heart was broken, until i had an epiphany, from Shakespeare's "Romeo and Juliet ", "if Love pricks you, prick Love back and soon you'll conquer it. ". Few months later, i met this girl, and we're close to our 20th anniversary. Oh, "i liked your comment ".

 

[Palanto]

I have been brooding today about Claire (I don't like being petty and vindictive, even though I am) and slowly the reality of her situation, and the sympathy I feel for her, has been eroding my anger. And then Palanto Games made his point about fear, which I had missed. Sir, I bow to your superior logic ! I would mention, though, that my ex has been a witness care officer for many years and has dealt with many cases of domestic violence/abuse. She told me that mostly these victims are willing to talk once trust is gained (although these are victims where the crime has already been reported) but that quite often, before a case can be prosecuted, the victim will withdraw from proceedings because (and they nearly always say the same thing) deep down "he really loves me". This is clearly not something that Claire thinks.

Yes there're also those... But I guess this is a result of fear too.... they don't say "I love him so much" they say "He really loves me"... I'm not a psychologist but in my opinion it's the fear of being alone that drives them back to them. And the missing or very low self esteem, which the culprits always try to inflict on the victims...
And most of those culprits are very good at influencing the victims to think it was "their own fault" they got hit in the first place....
It's mind games actually. But that is going too far offtopic now Sorry everyone Back to the awesome game @ASLPro3D is creating

 

[tklmeelmo]

Would it be possible to get updated mega links for Chapters 1 & 2? Download speed for those 2 chapters is rarely above 100 kb/s, unless I'm doing something wrong. Thanks!