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The reason that it must play out is because it is a pivotal point in the story, It brings everything into focus and puts everything on a course of confrontation. To that point our MC is blindly going through life singing Woe is me. Until the rape he was willingly going to give up his position and bury his head in the sand... But retribution has a strange way of motivating oneself.

That scene was done not to arouse or to titillate but to truly understand the deeper motivations within the story line by all the characters within the family and to draw up true moral distinctions.
Of course, I don't dispute that it's of narrative significance, and I won't hate the devs for choosing to include those scenes in their game, it's just triggering and I just don't like to be triggered while gaming, something that one does at least for fun. They just anger me a lot and I just dislike these things overall
 

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Of course, I don't dispute that it's of narrative significance, and I won't hate the devs for choosing to include those scenes in their game, it's just triggering and I just don't like to be triggered while gaming, something that one does at least for fun. They just anger me a lot and I just dislike these things overall
Well at least the writer then did get the right emotions he intended from you and also do not forget, it was meant also both as a motivator for the Agents of Karma storyline and how you would be against that nephew and to put a lot more ambiguity on how you would treat that sister in law, that you actually might need on your side if things turn really foul with your wife. The series is called wicked choices for a reason and not all the best choices will be the one you would like to make or being the nice guy. You live in a dangerous and dark world and times as MC.

Edit: Since this game was the first foray into games like that I do suspect Jack slightly underestimated fact these kind of games somehow hit even more at the emotions as books or comics or a tv show does in many player, while also having to balance fact he does not wish to pull any punches.
 
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I chose all of them... But then that's my job as a tester LOL. From Tentacles to Troglodytes, I feel the need to widen the social circle of our pet project whomever he winds up being.
 
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Well at least the writer then did get the right emotions he intended from you and also do not forget, it was meant also both as a motivator for the Agents of Karma storyline and how you would be against that nephew and to put a lot more ambiguity on how you would treat that sister in law, that you actually might need on your side if things turn really foul with your wife. The series is called wicked choices for a reason and not all the best choices will be the one you would like to make or being the nice guy. You live in a dangerous and dark world and times as MC.

Edit: Since this game was the first foray into games like that I do suspect Jack slightly underestimated fact these kind of games somehow hit even more at the emotions as books or comics or a tv show does in many player, while also having to balance fact he does not wish to pull any punches.
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Did you even read the tags? You know where it says Rape?
Of course, allow me to answer your question, I've played numerous games on this site, and those which have the rape tag either have it optional or as a bad ending, something that players can censor for themselves and choose to opt-out of, I was also under the impression that since Patreon has been cracking down on rape and incest, so the same rules stemming from my knowledge and my experiences should apply here, hence that's why I was baffled that it happens regardless.

This is not of any hate to the devs, it's simply my feelings.

Hope that addresses your concerns
 

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Sorry to spoil your sensibilities but a bigger trigger is coming with a game over tag... That there would trigger me far worse than say a rape ( depends on how graphic ) but I agree with you about it being unsettling. I played Acting lessons and I walked around in a grand funk for a week when I came to the end. And like this there was no avoidance to the outcome.

I suggest you chose you path wisely on this game, I have found two paths already that takes you on the last train west if you know what I mean. I understand your being upset about a Rape scene, and it is triggering so I won't apologize for the story as it was tagged, but I can sympathize for your feelings. Be for warned this can be a rough game to play,,, It will hammer at your brain pan some. But that is what makes this game so uniquely special.
 

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This response kind of a reaction to a character is why I laugh at the porn alpha/beta thing. You are either a raging asshole that smashes all things before you or a wet dish rag that cannot/will not stand up against a light breeze. Where as, I have subscribed to Aldous Huxley greek alphabet for personalities. I admit that shades of grey (not that sad lil story) are probably a twisting path for most of these writers to represent the subtle steps from arrogance/beligerant - strong/confident- capable/steady - weak/unstable - pathetic/(lack of a better one) jellyfish. There are obvious other mixes but even great writers are limited by pages, context, etc. As Jack has stated himself, even in his fictions there should be a healthy dose of realism, and your average middle(or upper middle) successful man is no superman. Many a so called great man has been show his weakest points by falling for a broken woman. Hell, if I remember right correctly Jack was even going to give him a 'dad bod' , but decided against because the public would be 'ewww' (i believe he was more graphic in describing this :p ).

This is assuming the comment was pertaining to the antichrist, as the princess is more a typical naive child throw in to the open world.
My two cents, with inflation worth all of one mil.
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If one does not know to what I refer check out 'A Brave New World' . An intriguing projection of what the future society would hold from back in the 30's.
 
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I am fairly certain this individual is commenting upon the Antichrist as being pathetic... and, in a lot of ways, I would agree, the MC/Antichrist is pathetic in a very real and annoying way to some players that don't want their Main Characters to be anything more than flawless, sex gods in dominance of the world they exist in.

Which is bullshit.

In my reality, even fictionally created, people are weighed down by doubts, worries, concerns and their own insecurities, while trying to deal with and manage their everyday lives. Even now as I write this, I am internally juggling my worries about the things in my life that has me worried, stressed and feel weighed down with... such things as:

"Because of my health, how am I going to pay this month's bills."
"What bill can I let roll over to next month to go grocery shopping with."
"What job can I take, that my health will allow me to do, to bring extra money in if I can."

In the case of the Antichrist, though a fictional existence, he would have his own doubts, worries, concerns, as well as his own insecurities.

He is currently trapped in a 'loveless' relationship with a wife whose only interaction with him (as of late) is one of anger and quick to argue. He feels as though he can do NO RIGHT when talking with her. He is worried about the effect that this has, not just on his marriage, but also on the children he shares with his wife. He knows (or believes) she is hurting over the death of her father, and he is powerless to comfort or provide support to her. He has even found that he must now take charge of the ENTIRE family's affairs, maintaining their businesses, their profits and providing for them, when... in his mind... he can't even provide for his own; and he knows that most of them don't even want him in that position in the family, that he is an OUTSIDER, which, incidentally, he feels he is even under his own roof.

And to top it off, he did the worst thing a husband could possibly EVER do! No matter how fucked up things are between his wife and him, he just made a REALLY bad thing and had an affair. Even worse, it was with HIS OWN niece! The weight of that fact is and should be burdensome and he knows that ANY NOTION of repairing his marriage would fail if his wife (or anyone in the family) was to find out that it happened.

What would his wife think? He has a pretty good idea... she'd take the kids and leave him.
What would his children think? He believes that they would likely hate him and leave his life in anger at hurting mom like that.
What would the rest of the family think?
So, on and so, on...

Pathetic? Yeah, maybe to those who seem to think that characters should dive into things willy-nilly without cause or concern and that the ramifications of their choices should always just slide off of them like water on the backs of ducks.

But, to me... this is realistic and when I create characters or write, it isn't my position or place to stroke the dicks of readers who wants their characters to be one dimensional pleebs with little care or concern about the world around them, except to provide the player perfect masturbation moments.

That's just my opinion and take on their comment.
 

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The MC in this game is, in a word, pathetic.
Is the Incest for the MC is with the niece only? and other incest are other characters with others? Thanks
At this time you have Niece-uncle, Cousin-Cousin, Mother-Daughter, and Brother-sister (rape). So yeah there is more going on besides the Niece and the Uncle. I can't be sure but my belief is that there will be more ritualized sex involving family in the future. in order for the MC to increase his strength.
 
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I am fairly certain this individual is commenting upon the Antichrist as being pathetic... and, in a lot of ways, I would agree, the MC/Antichrist is pathetic in a very real and annoying way to some players that don't want their Main Characters to be anything more than flawless, sex gods in dominance of the world they exist in.

Which is bullshit.

In my reality, even fictionally created, people are weighed down by doubts, worries, concerns and their own insecurities, while trying to deal with and manage their everyday lives. Even now as I write this, I am internally juggling my worries about the things in my life that has me worried, stressed and feel weighed down with... such things as:

"Because of my health, how am I going to pay this month's bills."
"What bill can I let roll over to next month to go grocery shopping with."
"What job can I take, that my health will allow me to do, to bring extra money in if I can."

In the case of the Antichrist, though a fictional existence, he would have his own doubts, worries, concerns, as well as his own insecurities.

He is currently trapped in a 'loveless' relationship with a wife whose only interaction with him (as of late) is one of anger and quick to argue. He feels as though he can do NO RIGHT when talking with her. He is worried about the effect that this has, not just on his marriage, but also on the children he shares with his wife. He knows (or believes) she is hurting over the death of her father, and he is powerless to comfort or provide support to her. He has even found that he must now take charge of the ENTIRE family's affairs, maintaining their businesses, their profits and providing for them, when... in his mind... he can't even provide for his own; and he knows that most of them don't even want him in that position in the family, that he is an OUTSIDER, which, incidentally, he feels he is even under his own roof.

And to top it off, he did the worst thing a husband could possibly EVER do! No matter how fucked up things are between his wife and him, he just made a REALLY bad thing and had an affair. Even worse, it was with HIS OWN niece! The weight of that fact is and should be burdensome and he knows that ANY NOTION of repairing his marriage would fail if his wife (or anyone in the family) was to find out that it happened.

What would his wife think? He has a pretty good idea... she'd take the kids and leave him.
What would his children think? He believes that they would likely hate him and leave his life in anger at hurting mom like that.
What would the rest of the family think?
So, on and so, on...

Pathetic? Yeah, maybe to those who seem to think that characters should dive into things willy-nilly without cause or concern and that the ramifications of their choices should always just slide off of them like water on the backs of ducks.

But, to me... this is realistic and when I create characters or write, it isn't my position or place to stroke the dicks of readers who wants their characters to be one dimensional pleebs with little care or concern about the world around them, except to provide the player perfect masturbation moments.

That's just my opinion and take on their comment.
Hey Jack hope you can afford a couple dozen eggs some milk and a loaf of bread now... It isn't much in the grand scheme but I hope it helps.
 
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I am fairly certain this individual is commenting upon the Antichrist as being pathetic... and, in a lot of ways, I would agree, the MC/Antichrist is pathetic in a very real and annoying way to some players that don't want their Main Characters to be anything more than flawless, sex gods in dominance of the world they exist in.

Which is bullshit.

In my reality, even fictionally created, people are weighed down by doubts, worries, concerns and their own insecurities, while trying to deal with and manage their everyday lives. Even now as I write this, I am internally juggling my worries about the things in my life that has me worried, stressed and feel weighed down with... such things as:

"Because of my health, how am I going to pay this month's bills."
"What bill can I let roll over to next month to go grocery shopping with."
"What job can I take, that my health will allow me to do, to bring extra money in if I can."

In the case of the Antichrist, though a fictional existence, he would have his own doubts, worries, concerns, as well as his own insecurities.

He is currently trapped in a 'loveless' relationship with a wife whose only interaction with him (as of late) is one of anger and quick to argue. He feels as though he can do NO RIGHT when talking with her. He is worried about the effect that this has, not just on his marriage, but also on the children he shares with his wife. He knows (or believes) she is hurting over the death of her father, and he is powerless to comfort or provide support to her. He has even found that he must now take charge of the ENTIRE family's affairs, maintaining their businesses, their profits and providing for them, when... in his mind... he can't even provide for his own; and he knows that most of them don't even want him in that position in the family, that he is an OUTSIDER, which, incidentally, he feels he is even under his own roof.

And to top it off, he did the worst thing a husband could possibly EVER do! No matter how fucked up things are between his wife and him, he just made a REALLY bad thing and had an affair. Even worse, it was with HIS OWN niece! The weight of that fact is and should be burdensome and he knows that ANY NOTION of repairing his marriage would fail if his wife (or anyone in the family) was to find out that it happened.

What would his wife think? He has a pretty good idea... she'd take the kids and leave him.
What would his children think? He believes that they would likely hate him and leave his life in anger at hurting mom like that.
What would the rest of the family think?
So, on and so, on...

Pathetic? Yeah, maybe to those who seem to think that characters should dive into things willy-nilly without cause or concern and that the ramifications of their choices should always just slide off of them like water on the backs of ducks.

But, to me... this is realistic and when I create characters or write, it isn't my position or place to stroke the dicks of readers who wants their characters to be one dimensional pleebs with little care or concern about the world around them, except to provide the player perfect masturbation moments.

That's just my opinion and take on their comment.
Does the mc have to worry about his wife finding out he had an affair? the same wife who is continually cheating on him with another guy? Well yes, he is really a pathetic mc
 
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