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And yeah Wild-Life is already very CPU Demanding
No it's not CPU demanding WL is just heavily unoptimized, there is nothing in this game that really demands much of the CPU. The AI and physics etc are very simple, there is not a lot to calculate overall so the bad performance just basically comes down to the game being poorly optimized.
 
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Simple sure it's not as complex as in VAM but Simple is a bit low played and yeah that AI overhead is not optimized well and it's a big part that tanks and pressures DX11 resources and Driver overhead.

Optimizing the Streaming result im not sure the DATA is partly HUGE that needs to be streamed in those Mushroom Part you see in Fisher Village it's a lot of Data that pressures on the System though compared to Nanite (Ancestors of the Valley Techdemo) it's not much and the small stutter is acceptable compared to a total Nanite (CPU based) System Render brakedown on DX11 with not much AI overhead at all.

Same in the Wild Life Map for the Kerpali Village and the Oasis whereby the Oasis is overall much less problematic, you can also see the loading spikes and get the exact distance when it streams in looking at the compass ;)

First take as much pressure from the CPU optimizing on that would be advisable to get a bit more free for the Streaming and it's Driver overhead.

UE5 + Vulkan might bring here allready some nice improvements on the table :)

Most other projects here are far away of fighting with such problems yet, based on their still lower overall complexity ;)

Basicly only Kalyskah and Carnal Instinct are near or getting nearer to it.

The rest is still joke, from the overall streamable data complexity point of view especially when Maya goes exploring the Wild Life by AIR.

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So yeah i reached the Nanite Techdemo 8 FPS :)

But yeah it is a strange thing it is exactly that Viewpoint trajectory causing the brakedown a bit on the side of it latency improves over seconds into acceptable range, even Unreals Internal Meassuring is not fast enough to pick it up at least the FPS counter implementation here is dead slow before it even reacts on it.
Not sure if stat unit would be doing it any better.

It is definitely a drawcall overhead

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How can I get multiple characters to fuck? Or is that thing not available yet? For example can I do a threesome between maya a catgirl and that rhino dude? Or maya and 2 of these goat creatures.
 

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How can I get multiple characters to fuck? Or is that thing not available yet? For example can I do a threesome between maya a catgirl and that rhino dude? Or maya and 2 of these goat creatures.

make follow you all the character you have in a group sex and choose group sex option in dialog
 

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Argh i hate Epics Texture Resolution Metric now the Wings Texture doesn't fully stream in only when very very close to it :(

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No it's not CPU demanding WL is just heavily unoptimized, there is nothing in this game that really demands much of the CPU. The AI and physics etc are very simple, there is not a lot to calculate overall so the bad performance just basically comes down to the game being poorly optimized.
Yea i think you're right actually. Is it accurate to say that when a game is unoptimised, it is actually NOT using resources that it has at it's disposal because of poor code?
 

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Yea i think you're right actually. Is it accurate to say that when a game is unoptimised, it is actually NOT using resources that it has at it's disposal because of poor code?
Most here will have in the End to weak systems and when it moves to Nanite it will be over for even much, much more

Most here really seem not to understand the full complexity at all, you mostly compare with results which have other targets or aren't as complex yet in their overall resource allocation needs.

Even if you like to compare it with for example Cyberpunk 2077 it is partly more complex even than that at it's full PQ output results.

Most that can be optimized is the AI overhead and some pressure on the CPU and some strange problems that cause some other problems, but asset optimization has to be done carefully you can't do it like for example in Corvo Biancos direction he did for Drifter Prince such aggressive optimization would be killing it.

It even tasks a System partly so hard that measuring it becomes a overall not so easy task.

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Can I change main character appearance somehow?
Only minor changes to heavy would brake everything you can do it from the interaction interface (character poser =O, intercourse settings =l or triggering a sex animation you find all options available in the custom tab.

But be careful never let the SKIN tab open, it will impact the overall Animation Latency.

As well, all of these options are currently locked to Sandbox Mode only.



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Guuii
Sex in the AIR with a Dead Chick
Another type of Dogfight
Fuck the Bird down

Who wouldn't want to "shoot" a Bird down from the Sky ;)
Black Widows Fight in Full Naughty Adult Mode ;)


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Yea i think you're right actually. Is it accurate to say that when a game is unoptimised, it is actually NOT using resources that it has at it's disposal because of poor code?
Not using all resources is just one example of unoptimization, but games also need to be smart about how they handle the available resources aswell, even if they can use them completely. In other words, even if a game could use 100% of every resource, it could still be unoptimized. To illustrate, let me give you an example:

In mass effect, there were some stupid walls in large open areas with no apparent purpose, but it was useful because since it would be blocking line of sight, and since that part of the map didn't need to be rendered it improved performance.

This is just an example, and the possibilities to optimize the game are 'infinite'
 

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Infinite to a certain visual point you can't overcome physics you should realize that the lighting is mostly realtime not pre rendered and as such it is bound to the Time of Day and Shadowing and AO cost is also playing into this, this is open World Mass Effect is no Open World you can trick a lot but your pre production effort for it is gonna rise a lot to.

Unreal is more and more changing to a Realtime Light Model like CryEngine.

Light calculation is becoming more complex as well.

Do the test in the Showroom turn of the light then turn it on and look at the Performance difference from Dark to Bright.

PS: You can see this especially well with Alissa she is a real Abstracted Human at least she is recognizable to her Real Human counterpart in her Abstraction of course in this Art Style and render way she run through the fountain of youth a bit.
Yet she is still recognizable as more Mature :)

You could really well say she is a Pixarfication of the Real Alissa running in a pretty decent Realtime Light Model :)
 
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It becomes very clear up to 90% VRAM Utilization the Wings can still go into full resolution, above 90% VRAM the chance is getting lower and lower and the mips level is lowered sequentially at the Edge of 90%.

That's the Pattern explaining it in other words VRAM runs out for the Wings and neither Main Memory can compensate it currently :D

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anyone knows if the developers have plans to implement Fidelity FX? I've been testing it with Back 4 blood beta and Tony hawk´s pro skater and it works great, increases performance a lot, and this game definitely needs it. It's also open source.
 

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It shocks me what is happening here ?
It really hits the whole System hard even Windows scheduling has a hard time, though at least it stays stable even with that constant overload.
Of course you can't pretty much not trust any of those deeper going latency measurements anymore not even 1%.

But 1 FPS yeah that's how it feels ;)

Don't tell me this Particle effect is done on the CPU ?

or is it maybe caused by the Blueprint Logic ?

I couldn't recover from it had to leave to the main menu then everything was back to normal whatever happened

i could still switch quality i pushed her out of the fire but it never recovered until i left to the main menu, very strange.

First really heavy problem i encountered so far with Wild-Lifes overall stability.

Loading the Shoowrom after switching to the Main Menu no visible problems with the CPU also loading the Fisher Village again no problems everything stable again.

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PS: I couldn't reproduce it exactly to this crazy over 1000ms state but it is definitely problematic 200ms with the getting on fire particle effect and after it triggered becoming stable again seems to fail (maybe a driver issue, some random glitch in my overall config, a deep hidden engine problem or even Unwinders hooking gone highwire (though i would rather suspect CapFrameX it's not well done overall and cries to cause trouble), but it's PC random issues overall pretty unavoidable, especially at such limits of the API ;)

So i can reproduce it now based on the particle getting on fire effect, it is definitely the cause for the overload and after it the following render latency performance spiking fluctuation that doesn't recover without moving into the Main Menu 1st :)
Also tried to posses another character and remove the character that triggered it no success.
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Your cpu is is hitting 100c, so you're either overheating or thermal throttling. Time to swap paste?
 
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Not using all resources is just one example of unoptimization, but games also need to be smart about how they handle the available resources aswell, even if they can use them completely. In other words, even if a game could use 100% of every resource, it could still be unoptimized. To illustrate, let me give you an example:

In mass effect, there were some stupid walls in large open areas with no apparent purpose, but it was useful because since it would be blocking line of sight, and since that part of the map didn't need to be rendered it improved performance.

This is just an example, and the possibilities to optimize the game are 'infinite'
oh, yea right, forgot that code can be shitty as well
this is a crap example, but it would also be unoptimised if instead of adding 100 to a number, it would add 1 to it 100 times, I know, I just forgot xD
 

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I can be very sure now where resolution is really lacking and not due Streaming issues :)

The biggest change is really the Poolsize to 2512 MB, this stabilized everything for now a lot on this 8/8 configuration at the Edge on the Streaming side.

Of course it would be much more advisable to improve the compression efficiency results further, to get a higher headroom per Scene and avoid still possible brakes.

The Move to a Low Level API is pretty unavoidable, if the complexity rises further, biggest reach VULKAN.

Unreal VULKAN state so la la.

Closest AAA compare on the given API Final Fantasy 15 (production effort not production state)

PS: What is that white Point on Ryan his Neck, everywhere the dark birthmarks and then suddenly boom a white one ?
How crazy efficient Pattern disturbance works to make your Roi Point change :)
 
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elo Is anybody else game Wild Life laggy? Whenever I play it, it's like the movements and the text are in slow motion
Im also getting game freezing bug for some animations.

I bought a Windows 11 lenovo ideapad 330 ryzen 3 laptop
not going to be a good enough laptop for MANY modern games let alone wild life that runs poorly on a lot of pc's. You might want to look into buying an external GPU and/or increasing your RAM amount but your CPU will hold you back regardless
 
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