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Ok. Having had time to think about this. I'm going to offer my points here on why having Elyon's story be softer doesn't really work and is honestly a bad idea in the long run.
First off,it HEAVILY clashes with how dark the other stories are. Cedric literally does some seriously twisted actions to force the guardians to bend to his desires even when he really doesn't have to.
Such as manipulating Cornellia's little sister to steal her childhood from her and age her into an adults body with a child's mind and innocence which is...Yeah. Just think about that, given it's implied to be permanent to.
Getting Taranee's boyfriend to commit suicide due to his blackmailing of her.
Killing any chance of Will's father returning to her life in a positive way by making him fall back into his gambling addiction.
And what was done with Hay Lin, even though Hay lin already liked him and would of probably gotten with him without the need to pull what he did.
The point with all these? He's a twisted and perverse individual that will choose to go to the darkest and most twisted places he can to get what we wants and enjoys everysecond of it and their suffering.
Given this, why should Elyon get a softer story? It just clashes way too heavily. This wouldn't be an issue if the game offered CHOICES. That's the key here.The game needs the choice to be softer or darker with how to handle the guardians and Elyon. Honestly the game would so much better if it just gave us choices.
The game used to have in mind that it would be broken into 'slave and love' like four elements was, before that was dropped before it even got a chance. Which honestly was a mistake as the game clearly needs it as the dev himself doesn't seem to sure about how to write the story. He wants to be dark, but then realizes he goes too far and easies up on it. then doubles down on it again in other places.
It's a real problem as Elyon alone is a perfect example of this, with how originally Cedric murdered her parents and left her homless and had her move in with him and begin basically whoring herself to him for money. Till he found that too dark and eased up over time to at first being 'in the hospitol' and then later the current much softer storyline.
It's not bad, but it makes her contrast the others as Cedric plays far too nice with her vs the rest.
It even tries to establish he has to seduce her and can't rape her as that will end horribly for him by causing her magic to flare up. But question. Why is that not a choice?
Why is it not a choice to ignore this and just try to take her by force? Such as when she was passed out in the park? Why was there not an option to just take her, but she wakes up and you die as a result in the middle of it?
Or why not be allowed to say I don't know, turn into her boyfreind, push her to sex and all but force her to do it under threat of leaving her for good if she doesn't do it?
The options are many here, but the problem is they don't exist. In fact I raise you that there was this used on his hentai foundry when he relased build 3. Why is this not in the game?
It's clearly meant to be part of the storyline of her family car crash and Cedric being able to take advantage of that. But it's jus t not in the game. Why not?
Why is the game not filled with non standard game overs by trying to rush things with her and getting killed by her magic? Or rather why is the game lacking in choices in how to handle the guardians? It makes very little sense the guardians dont' all just talk to eachother and realize that Cedric is screwing with all of them and try to gang up and take him down. Why not have that happen if he keeps doing the dark choices he does?
Why not make it so you can chosoe to be darker or softer with them while still manipulating them?
I know this is long and i'm repating myself but i hope you can all understand my points here and waht i'm trying to say on why going softer with Elyon is just a poor idea and what this game really needs.
First off,it HEAVILY clashes with how dark the other stories are. Cedric literally does some seriously twisted actions to force the guardians to bend to his desires even when he really doesn't have to.
Such as manipulating Cornellia's little sister to steal her childhood from her and age her into an adults body with a child's mind and innocence which is...Yeah. Just think about that, given it's implied to be permanent to.
Getting Taranee's boyfriend to commit suicide due to his blackmailing of her.
Killing any chance of Will's father returning to her life in a positive way by making him fall back into his gambling addiction.
And what was done with Hay Lin, even though Hay lin already liked him and would of probably gotten with him without the need to pull what he did.
The point with all these? He's a twisted and perverse individual that will choose to go to the darkest and most twisted places he can to get what we wants and enjoys everysecond of it and their suffering.
Given this, why should Elyon get a softer story? It just clashes way too heavily. This wouldn't be an issue if the game offered CHOICES. That's the key here.The game needs the choice to be softer or darker with how to handle the guardians and Elyon. Honestly the game would so much better if it just gave us choices.
The game used to have in mind that it would be broken into 'slave and love' like four elements was, before that was dropped before it even got a chance. Which honestly was a mistake as the game clearly needs it as the dev himself doesn't seem to sure about how to write the story. He wants to be dark, but then realizes he goes too far and easies up on it. then doubles down on it again in other places.
It's a real problem as Elyon alone is a perfect example of this, with how originally Cedric murdered her parents and left her homless and had her move in with him and begin basically whoring herself to him for money. Till he found that too dark and eased up over time to at first being 'in the hospitol' and then later the current much softer storyline.
It's not bad, but it makes her contrast the others as Cedric plays far too nice with her vs the rest.
It even tries to establish he has to seduce her and can't rape her as that will end horribly for him by causing her magic to flare up. But question. Why is that not a choice?
Why is it not a choice to ignore this and just try to take her by force? Such as when she was passed out in the park? Why was there not an option to just take her, but she wakes up and you die as a result in the middle of it?
Or why not be allowed to say I don't know, turn into her boyfreind, push her to sex and all but force her to do it under threat of leaving her for good if she doesn't do it?
The options are many here, but the problem is they don't exist. In fact I raise you that there was this used on his hentai foundry when he relased build 3. Why is this not in the game?
It's clearly meant to be part of the storyline of her family car crash and Cedric being able to take advantage of that. But it's jus t not in the game. Why not?
Why is the game not filled with non standard game overs by trying to rush things with her and getting killed by her magic? Or rather why is the game lacking in choices in how to handle the guardians? It makes very little sense the guardians dont' all just talk to eachother and realize that Cedric is screwing with all of them and try to gang up and take him down. Why not have that happen if he keeps doing the dark choices he does?
Why not make it so you can chosoe to be darker or softer with them while still manipulating them?
I know this is long and i'm repating myself but i hope you can all understand my points here and waht i'm trying to say on why going softer with Elyon is just a poor idea and what this game really needs.
- Sep 18, 2018
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Considering how the guy was in the original comic, he probably did her a favor.
- Feb 8, 2019
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Imo: It is weird how Cedric is practically babied and prevented from ever failing or having a booboo. He goes over a bit into cringe Gary Stu.
I get the tone of the game. But as pointed out: Why can't you "fail"?
It feels like a pretty standard "you did a dumb, you died" type game over.
There is some irony in how you're basically playing a guy that'd be okay with raping a toddler, then lighting said toddler on fire... but it's too far to have bad things happen to this man? xD
Like, I know most trainer games have you play an omnipotent asshole.
But as said above: Considering this guy takes the "kick the puppy" option every time, even when unnecessary... it's as said: Weird how he suddenly goes all "M'lady!" for one single character.
I mean: This goes beyond that all girls are just copy pasted. It feels like an "over-correction". The sudden and complete stop in him being a sociopath is weird. We have date rape, love potions, pretending to care then bail when its time to reciprocate, shapeshift into her bf.
On that: I get that it's rail roaded, but it feels like a huge lapse in logic in how: You're practically a serial rapist+murderer+arsonist running around town, and... no-one has said a single word? None of the girls talk to each other? Just a huge, sudden "everyone had a brain anurism" is kinda... ~eh... plot wise. Currently he's literally just rofling around and surviving on sheer plot convenience.
I get the tone of the game. But as pointed out: Why can't you "fail"?
It feels like a pretty standard "you did a dumb, you died" type game over.
There is some irony in how you're basically playing a guy that'd be okay with raping a toddler, then lighting said toddler on fire... but it's too far to have bad things happen to this man? xD
Like, I know most trainer games have you play an omnipotent asshole.
But as said above: Considering this guy takes the "kick the puppy" option every time, even when unnecessary... it's as said: Weird how he suddenly goes all "M'lady!" for one single character.
I mean: This goes beyond that all girls are just copy pasted. It feels like an "over-correction". The sudden and complete stop in him being a sociopath is weird. We have date rape, love potions, pretending to care then bail when its time to reciprocate, shapeshift into her bf.
On that: I get that it's rail roaded, but it feels like a huge lapse in logic in how: You're practically a serial rapist+murderer+arsonist running around town, and... no-one has said a single word? None of the girls talk to each other? Just a huge, sudden "everyone had a brain anurism" is kinda... ~eh... plot wise. Currently he's literally just rofling around and surviving on sheer plot convenience.
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- Aug 7, 2016
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I keep hearing that the previous versions of the game were better?
- Jun 15, 2017
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Hey yall sorry to be a bother but does anyone know what scenes were removed with Elyon's "old branch" and if its worth it to play the older version to see whats up.. or maybe a cg rip somewhere? I havent played this since 0.4
I saw a cg gallery on exhentai.org/e-hentai.org that had those. Just search W.I.T.C.H. there and you will find it.