VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B3] [Braindrop]

[TigerWolfe]

Join his patreon and become a discord member.

Ah yes pay the guy who I've already said I don't think is a reliable person, thats a great solution. I guess I'll just listen to you rant every few days as that's apparently the price that has to be paid to get access to this game on this board.

 

[preglovr12]

Ah yes pay the guy who I've already said I don't think is a reliable person, thats a great solution. I guess I'll just listen to you rant every few days as that's apparently the price that has to be paid to get access to this game on this board.

You might notice near the top of the page there's two tabs for this game, one for reviews, and you may notice the other is "Discussion" not "News." If you want a pure news thread, why dont you make one?

 

[TigerWolfe]

Until you see a new update in the latest updates page, just assume that nothing is going on in this thread and ignore it.

Honestly at this point its probably gonna just be an unwatch for me and I just poke my head in periodically when I think of it. It's not like I'm waiting on tenterhooks for the next update or something, but the constant negativity is just really harshing my vibe.

 

[Goopgoop]

It's almost as if people are not capable of multiple emotions at the same time..... This makes me sad, angry, and a bit surprised.

Is that allowed?

Nope. Do them sequentially. /s

It's not about how many emotions you can experience at the same time. It's about complex emotions being made up of base emotions and everything we are incentivized to do tying into how we feel (intrinsically or emotionally). There are a lot of possible variations. But that doesn't change the fact that all base emotions associated with disappointment are negative emotions.

The whole point of negative emotions is to incentivize us to fix, resolve or avoid something that negatively affect us. If you are repeatedly disappointed (whatever mix of sadness, anger or disgust it consists of) by the same thing, then your expectations are objectively wrong. Your disappointment is telling you to lower your expectations. It isn't telling you to fix the root cause of your disappointment, because you're not disappointed in yourself. You can't fix the root cause. You can only fix your expectations. Or you can keep getting disappointed and reinforcing that feeling (which will only make it grow stronger).

The connection between emotion and cognition isn't a one-way street. How you feel about something is influenced by what you think about it, and what you think about it is influenced by how you feel about it. That's how changing your perspective can resolve emotional turmoil. Experiencing prolonged negative emotions is detrimental to your mental state.

Ergo, you should make cognitive choices to focus your negative emotions on things things that matter, preferably things within your control or at the very least, something you are capable of influencing. If you live on the North Pole, there's no point in being pissed off at the snow.

Things like this CAN'T make me feel bad because they're both out of my control AND unimportant. The only thing I'm invested in regarding WVM is that I want to see where the story goes. However far that may be. Even if he doesn't finish it, it was an interesting story whilst it lasted. The only thing I feel towards it is curiosity (which isn't an emotion but an intrinsic motivation).

This is actually pretty fun to talk about. Thank you for your sarcastic joke. Really revitalized me.

 

[Reniere]

This is the first time in a long time that this thread has been this active lol

 

[Goopgoop]

I completely agree we should do this with everything even things irl. So no one has to hear an opinion that differs from their own.

I have no trouble accepting there are people who disagree with me. But haters dogpile anyone who has even a remotely appreciative opinion.

 

[TigerWolfe]

You might notice near the top of the page there's two tabs for this game, one for reviews, and you may notice the other is "Discussion" not "News." If you want a pure news thread, why dont you make one?

Discussion would actually be cool here, but that doesn't happen. It's fine though you're literally a moderator here and if you think this thread is acceptable I'm not gonna accomplish anything except to get myself in trouble... I'm not so old and senile yet that I don't realize that yelling at clouds is pointless.

 

[preglovr12]

Discussion would actually be cool here, but that doesn't happen. It's fine though you're literally a moderator here and if you think this thread is acceptable I'm not gonna accomplish anything except to get myself in trouble... I'm not so old and senile yet that I don't realize that yelling at clouds is pointless.

How is talking about a dev and their game not discussion?

 

[TigerWolfe]

Yea the negativity will not change anytime soon. So that is probably the best solution. It's sad because there was a time that the thread was pretty cool but now it's just another milfy city or summertime saga. I usually defend devs a lot on this forum, but BD has fucked up a lot.

I'm a big dev defender, and while I can understand many ways BD got in this situation without him being some terrible huckster, I also don't think he warrants defense, as he doesn't seem ready in any way to change. I just also don't take any joy in dogpiling which is all this thread is at this point.

 

[Goopgoop]

Initially, people are mad/angry/sad. But eventually, those feelings are replaced by indifference and they move on to other things.

The ones that do hang around do so because they either can't get over it, which is unhealthy as you say, or more likely are just shooting the breeze and screwing around. The same thing happens to many threads on here, when developers (either rightly or wrongly) get on peoples bad sides.

Unfortunately, it's hard for people who do still like the game / don't hate the dev to have a place in those threads. Threads that for the most part don't get moderated much if any after a certain point. So actually having more positive discussion, not getting made fun of when you post something positive and finding relevant information on a game can be very hard.

So the best you can do is to use your ignore list to manually filter out the more negative stuff. Or view it as people screwing around and fishing for likes and don't take them seriously.

Nice to find someone who agrees/understands.

I just don't see any point in all that negativity. As for moderation, the only mod here seems amongst the disgruntled themselves. Can't really keep the peace if you're part of the angry mob.

I figured I'd sprinkle some emotional maturity around. It's a genuine attempt to help them cope, really. But they're free to take it or leave it. I'm a pretty solid guy so it doesn't really bother me to get dogpiled. Even a mushroom cloud has a silver lining. I'll be alright.

 

[TigerWolfe]

How is talking about a dev and their game not discussion?

If the only way to talk about the game that doesn't get one insulted by the masses is to insult the dev, that's not really discussion. Any time someone new shows up and tries to talk about the game at all they're instantly dogpiled and either treated like a naive child, or accused of being a shill or sock puppet for BD, which isn't discussion. This multiple post tangent is the most civil I've seen this board in ages.

 

[jamdan]

How is talking about a dev and their game not discussion?

I mean, technically, the rules are as follows.


7. Avoid excessive discussion about development. Talking about developers is fine, but derailing the game discussion with multiple pages of the same arguments concerning development speed, delays, pricing, etc is not.

And rule #1 is broken all the time too when people are called sheep, simps etc.

 

[Spider-Venom]

I mean, technically, the rules are as follows.


7. Avoid excessive discussion about development. Talking about developers is fine, but derailing the game discussion with multiple pages of the same arguments concerning development speed, delays, pricing, etc is not.

And rule #1 is broken all the time too when people are called sheep, simps etc.

nearly impossible to follow unless you don't talk much.

 

[TigerWolfe]

nearly impossible to follow unless you don't talk much.

No... this is pretty much the only thread I'm in that has page after page after page talking about that. Even in other threads where people aren't happy the horse is at least allowed to rest in peace.

 

[jamdan]

nearly impossible to follow unless you don't talk much.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned in my other post threads like this aren't moderated much if at all. Because if they were, 95% of the posts would get deleted.

Of course, some threads have been locked and put in "time out" when they kept breaking the rules. The AWAM thread a while ago when people kept spamming for the update (which is ironically happening now too). The Jackerman animation thread was locked for months because people kept fighting about incest vs beast content.

Other games get mod-made OT threads for people to post in to stop clogging up the game thread.

But on the other end of that, some threads more or less become unofficial OT threads themselves.

 

[Goopgoop]

No one's getting mad at you, you're just the only one here defending BD and his horrible practices. I think you have an issue imprinting emotion on something/someone that has none. 95% of us here are apathetic, a bunch are former patrons as well, feeling that they got ripped off and come here to keep up with all the bullshit BDs slinging. A year or two ago you might've had a point, but now, this thread is pure catharsis.

I'm not defending anyone. He's not a professional dev by my book either. Granted I'm more forgiving and appreciative regardless, but that's a choice. What I'm saying is that it's emotionally immature to scream at the clouds week after week. You got screwed over? Awesome, it's a lesson about buying an incomplete product, learn from it. It's a risk you take any time you buy pre-order, early-access, patreon or crowd-funded games.

Oh, and saying it's cathartic implies you're not apathetic. Catharsis is purgative. To get rid of something, in this case negative emotions. So saying it's cathartic implies there's something to purge. "Coming here and keeping up with all the bullshit" isn't purgative, it's reinforcing. You're just taking yourself back to how you felt when you were disappointed or ripped off and making yourself feel that way again.

You're not paying for it anymore, right? You're not getting your hopes up to get disappointed by him again, right? So those emotions have long lost their meaning. You've already learned your lesson. The next step is catharsis. Letting go. Cleanse your emotional bowels and refocus yourself on something positive.

 

[ImperialD]

awesome update BD ... like always a homerun

 

[preglovr12]

If the only way to talk about the game that doesn't get one insulted by the masses is to insult the dev, that's not really discussion.

It is, it's just not the discussion you want it to be. If we're all having a laugh at the newest excuse and lamenting the downfall of this game that we all used to like, that's a discussion.

Any time someone new shows up and tries to talk about the game at all they're instantly dogpiled and either treated like a naive child, or accused of being a shill or sock puppet for BD, which isn't discussion.

Agreed, though anyone new to this thread would indeed be naive, literally impossible that they arent. If they dont read the thread long enough to "read the room," that's ultimately on them.

I mean, technically, the rules are as follows.

7. Avoid excessive discussion about development. Talking about developers is fine, but derailing the game discussion with multiple pages of the same arguments concerning development speed, delays, pricing, etc is not.

And rule #1 is broken all the time too when people are called sheep, simps etc.

I'd posit that we dont talk about the same arguments about delays or speed, BD is constantly finding new ways to fuck up. I mean sure, you could lump all of that into the same general chunk, but the game itself isnt really providing much to discuss, and never really has. The old thread was full of stupid spats about "best girl" and

I personally dont view generalizations as personal attacks, because they arent, ultimately. There's a huge difference between me calling you an asshole and me saying most people that wear red shirts are assholes.

 

[Uthuriel]

Most people that wear red shirts are assholes.

Not sure about the asshole part but in my experience they mostly just die...

 

[TigerWolfe]

It is, it's just not the discussion you want it to be. If we're all having a laugh at the newest excuse and lamenting the downfall of this game that we all used to like, that's a discussion.



Agreed, though anyone new to this thread would indeed be naive, literally impossible that they arent. If they dont read the thread long enough to "read the room," that's ultimately on them.



I'd posit that we dont talk about the same arguments about delays or speed, BD is constantly finding new ways to fuck up. I mean sure, you could lump all of that into the same general chunk, but the game itself isnt really providing much to discuss, and never really has. The old thread was full of stupid spats about "best girl" and

I personally dont view generalizations as personal attacks, because they arent, ultimately. There's a huge difference between me calling you an asshole and me saying most people that wear red shirts are assholes.