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kvier

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So not only is a porn game not allowed to be a game, but now you're getting all anal-retentive about whether groups of stars are pedantically "constellations" in colloquial use. Fantastic. Really positive contribution. That will totally help the people who are playing or writing this game.
 
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dmmt

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You're presented an apparently random set of 5-7 white lights.

No explanations

After the fact, the character claims it is a constellation he memorized in order to try and impress the girl who laid the magic spell

OK great; except there is no such constellation. So it is a matter of dumb luck, for the player to figure the thing out. It's not a simple matter of word-porn. It's not a fkn constellation. There is no way in hell, a player would know that is what it is supposed to be. PERHAPS, had it actually BEEN a constellation, and something within the story had led the player to know the character had in the past memorized constellations in his quest for that girl...well gee, yeah then it would make all the sense in the world so yes. I DO expect it to be helpful to the dev and/or other writers.
 
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You're presented an apparently random set of 5-7 white lights.
It's 5 lights, which gives a maximum of 14 sequences, since it resets every time you get one wrong. I agree with you from a plot and gameplay perspective, (although the Hyades are actually associated with the sharp V in Taurus along with Aldebaran,) but your tone is not terribly productive. You seem angry more than constructive, and it doesn't even look like you payed much attention, since 5 is not the same as 7, so the dev is unlikely to pay close attention to your feedback. This is constructive criticism.
 

RC-1138 Boss

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I didn't know the answers to any of the puzzles before they came up, I clicked the stars in a connected line from top left to mid right to bottom left. I googled pigpen cypher and the words to get the solution to the other puzzles.

Personally, I thought it was an interesting bit of character development for the MC. We learnt what he was into in the past, and saw a bit of fencing between him and Marie. Obviously it didn't work that way for a large minority in the comments, but I think what the dev tried worked for those of us it didn't piss off.
While i agree that they serve to give backstory about the portagonist i don't think a puzzle should require the player to look for its solution outside of said game.
The best puzzles require logic and information that the game itself provides to the players.
 

Braccas

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Puzzles are fine, but try to ensure the solution is available in the title (Cypher hanging on a wall maybe). But this was the only issue I had with the title itself. The other part of my previous comment was not directed at the game developer, I look forward to seeing how the puzzle issue will be addressed if they continue to use them.

I would Quote comments, but different social groups have different functions. To be honest I gave up trying to figure them all out.
 

dmmt

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... and it doesn't even look like you payed much attention, since 5 is not the same as 7, so the dev is unlikely to pay close attention to your feedback. This is constructive criticism.
As I said in my 1st post...I deleted the game folder. Forgive me for not memorizing how many lights there were in a puzzle. I didnt feel quite like reinstalling the game, playing thru to the puzzle, and counting the friggin lights. If I seem angry, maybe its because I have to keep explaining each and every thought process, since deductive rersasoning seems to be in short supply.
 

Stolen_rose

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As I said in my 1st post...I deleted the game folder. Forgive me for not memorizing how many lights there were in a puzzle. I didnt feel quite like reinstalling the game, playing thru to the puzzle, and counting the friggin lights. If I seem angry, maybe its because I have to keep explaining each and every thought process, since deductive rersasoning seems to be in short supply.
A lot of people have a hate boner for the puzzles in the game, but yours has to be the largest.
You make some valid points, but they're muddled by the aggressive, spiteful tone. Why are you so mean-spirited? I genuinely tried to make something to break the monotony of reading with some gameplay. Not only that, but all these talking points have already been taken into account and I have not created any more puzzles in the latest release* Why the anger? Is just making some puzzles for my game enough to warrant this kind of attitude? Do you feel that all this venom is justified?

*small exception nobody probably noticed
 

Hungover00

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While i agree that they serve to give backstory about the portagonist i don't think a puzzle should require the player to look for its solution outside of said game.
The best puzzles require logic and information that the game itself provides to the players.
I am also of the opinion that the solution to any puzzles should be in the game. Just not so strongly held as to debate it vehemently (not you) online.
 

RandomGuy99

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The people who have issues to the puzzle dont read the text probably and skip to the sex scenes. The clues are there. As for the cipher, there is google. It's not even a hard puzzle tbh.

The cult mansion is not even a puzzle, it annoying to navigate around since you can get lost but it's also not hard.

Well, maybe the cipher translation page could included in the game but still the harsh complain i see here is unwarranted.
The dev should make the puzzle "idiot proof" but i'm sure they always make better idiots.
 

RandomGuy99

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Yes, that's why I'm not saying the dev should remove them. It didn't take much time on my part to solve that one cipher by searching it. My comment was only towards the other player that assumed everyone must suck at puzzles for not knowing how to solve a cipher like that one. As if your average person is just supposed to randomly know this stuff with no problem.

I'm personally fine with the dev keeping it all in the game and I actually didn't mind it much. It's just that I can understand other's frustration with it and can see how they wouldn't be a fan of it.
i would agree to include the cipher translation in a book or a wall that gives the hint for players. Maybe even include skip puzzle for people who just want to see sex scenes.

However, i find a puzzle a good mix and delivers on the story. The dev need to fix on the delivery maybe.
The complains here are overblown imo. It's annoying but people are shouting as if the sky is falling. (people ie one specific idiot)
 

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I am also of the opinion that the solution to any puzzles should be in the game. Just not so strongly held as to debate it vehemently (not you) online.
Yeah. In the end the game's story is great and searching on google for a few minutes for the cypher answer was just a minor thing. That is what is important to me. :) (y)
 

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A lot of people have a hate boner for the puzzles in the game, but yours has to be the largest.
You make some valid points, but they're muddled by the aggressive, spiteful tone. Why are you so mean-spirited? I genuinely tried to make something to break the monotony of reading with some gameplay. Not only that, but all these talking points have already been taken into account and I have not created any more puzzles in the latest release* Why the anger? Is just making some puzzles for my game enough to warrant this kind of attitude? Do you feel that all this venom is justified?

*small exception nobody probably noticed
Hate boner seems to be especially strong for some people.... Again I emphasize on the light puzzle it's not something dev invented. A simple few buttons puzzle with light indication, even going from the wrong order which is from bottom to the top it takes less than 10 clicks to notice only the last button light up on top, then even if jump from the first button to the last people SHOULD have noticed the light goes dim again. It shouldn't take more than 20 clicks to seriously figure out it's a simple trial and error sequence puzzle not some need-to-know certain knowledge for solving it. Unless too horny or too blind to even see the indication of lights.
My suggestion to dev:
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Consider making this available to them on first play through if you decide to add more puzzles in the future, this should prevent people from raging again.
 
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Stolen_rose

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Hate boner seems to be especially strong for some people.... Again I emphasize on the light puzzle it's not something dev invented. A simple few buttons puzzle with light indication, even going from the wrong order which is from bottom to the top it takes less than 10 clicks to notice only the last button light up on top, then even if jump from the first button to the last people SHOULD have noticed the light goes dim again. It shouldn't take more than 20 clicks to seriously figure out it's a simple trial and error sequence puzzle not some need-to-know certain knowledge for solving it. Unless too horny or too blind to even see the indication of lights.
My suggestion to dev:
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Consider making this available to them on first play through if you decide to add more puzzles in the future, this should prevent people from raging again.
I'm going to add a "hint" tooltip with the cipher so that it doesn't require leaving the game to google, but all the puzzles and the investigation are necessary for the plot. Much of what happens and why would be lost on players who would skip the puzzles and infiltration sequence. Next release will not have any minigames.
 

Hungover00

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I'm going to add a "hint" tooltip with the cipher so that it doesn't require leaving the game to google, but all the puzzles and the investigation are necessary for the plot. Much of what happens and why would be lost on players who would skip the puzzles and infiltration sequence. Next release will not have any minigames.
Couldn't you just turn 'Skip Investigation' into 'Skip Investigation, 1st time' and have that play out like a script? And have 'Skip Investigation, Repeat' or something for players on their second runs?
 

BurgRoyce

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Good - That is is an example of people who shouting and complaining about the puzzle. People who dislike puzzle also should have respect people who is okay with it.

People who like it can play it, those who dislike it can provide feedback and not shout like an idiot or just skip the game.
I was waiting someone to call me out so that i can show how people who is complaining about puzzle looks like. Disrespectful
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What are you talking about? You like puzzles? Fine. You don't like them? Also fine.
Respect. That's all.
 
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