Ren'Py Onhold Brave New Isekai [v0.1.10b] [Black Arts Theatre]

[Doll and Death]

There won't be a CPR minigame, I did several tests (I had done all the animations) but I didn't find CPR very fun to play (I tried different versions), and since I'm already getting negative reviews about some elements of my game, I'd rather not implement that

“I’m already getting negative reviews about some elements of my game”

And your solution to this is not to try something new, but you instead cancel the idea which is potentially still enjoyable for players?

You claimed you were looking for a good time in the game to test the idea. You announced you were about to add the idea with your own touch (Holy Chokehold or whatever you call it). You made people wait for several weeks. And when you finally got to test it, you concluded “I don’t like this very much”, scrapped it all, then announced “I don’t like this, I will not add it”. After all that?

I am not sure if you realize, but you are just making yourself and your game seem worthy of those negative reviews.

Normal game developers would probably put a poll or something similar to ask their players first whether an idea should be cancelled or not. If not a poll, you can at least consult other people for second opinions rather than arbitrarily decide “I don’t like this”, especially after stating “I plan to implement it”. It just doesn’t paint you as a responsible.

I can’t believe I would actually get to say this to someone: I am not even mad. Just disappointed. Mark these words: if you want to avoid negative reviews at this point, you are not doing a good job helping yourself.

 

[BlasKyau]

“I’m already getting negative reviews about some elements of my game”

And your solution to this is not to try something new, but you instead cancel the idea which is potentially still enjoyable for players?

You claimed you were looking for a good time in the game to test the idea. You announced you were about to add the idea with your own touch (Holy Chokehold or whatever you call it). You made people wait for several weeks. And when you finally got to test it, you concluded “I don’t like this very much”, scrapped it all, then announced “I don’t like this, I will not add it”. After all that?

I am not sure if you realize, but you are just making yourself and your game seem worthy of those negative reviews.

Normal game developers would probably put a poll or something similar to ask their players first whether an idea should be cancelled or not. If not a poll, you can at least consult other people for second opinions rather than arbitrarily decide “I don’t like this”, especially after stating “I plan to implement it”. It just doesn’t paint you as a responsible.

I can’t believe I would actually get to say this to someone: I am not even mad. Just disappointed. Mark these words: if you want to avoid negative reviews at this point, you are not doing a good job helping yourself.

I don't know what you are talking about exactly, but it sounds like something that, whether the dev implements it or not, I'm not going to try it (I say that because of the name).

 

[Doll and Death]

I don't know what you are talking about exactly, but it sounds like something that, whether the dev implements it or not, I'm not going to try it (I say that because of the name).

If you have been paying attention to the previous messages, you probably would know that the game dev planned (or at least originally planned) to add special techniques during training with Mary, one of which is Holy Chokehold. If I understand it correctly, the techniques are meant to help you end fights regardless of enemy HP, and would be usable in some battles with other enemies added in the future.

Holy Chokehold in particular is what it sounds like: using chokehold to subdue the target. Mary will teach it to you with herself as the target practice.

I was fairly excited by the idea, because it connected well to an idea I proposed previously. The idea was having a special mode where the player can have complete freedom to have sex with unconscious girls (expanding Sleep Sex), but under time limit, the player needs to use CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation, helping someone who stops breathing to breath again by artificial breathing and chest compression) to help the girls recover.

This was, as far as I am aware, an idea which might be useful for the dev since CPR scenes can also be reused for events with girls (example: rescuing one who nearly drowned), something the dev himself said. Well, it is not to be now, since the whole thing are suddenly cancelled.

 

[BlasKyau]

If you have been paying attention to the previous messages, you probably would know that the game dev planned (or at least originally planned) to add special techniques during training with Mary, one of which is Holy Chokehold. If I understand it correctly, the techniques are meant to help you end fights regardless of enemy HP, and would be usable in some battles with other enemies added in the future.

Holy Chokehold in particular is what it sounds like: using chokehold to subdue the target. Mary will teach it to you with herself as the target practice.

I was fairly excited by the idea, because it connected well to an idea I proposed previously. The idea was having a special mode where the player can have complete freedom to have sex with unconscious girls (expanding Sleep Sex), but under time limit, the player needs to use CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation, helping someone who stops breathing to breath again by artificial breathing and chest compression) to help the girls recover.

This was, as far as I am aware, an idea which might be useful for the dev since CPR scenes can also be reused for events with girls (example: rescuing one who nearly drowned), something the dev himself said. Well, it is not to be now, since the whole thing are suddenly cancelled.

I haven't read the previous posts about this.

I don't like sleep sex, so I'm not going to do the second part even if it's implemented.

The first part depends on how it's implemented, if it has something to do with rapes, I'm not interested either.

 

[Doll and Death]

I haven't read the previous posts about this.

I don't like sleep sex, so I'm not going to do the second part even if it's implemented.

The first part depends on how it's implemented, if it has something to do with rapes, I'm not interested either.

I know your specific tastes. You have argued with people before in other games about this stance, so you don’t really need to explain.

You are one of those people who want to play R18 games where there are rape-like options (including mind control and the like), but you also want those options to be avoidable, specifically so you can avoid those options like the plague. It is understandable, if a little rare among all players.

To clarify, whether sleep sex would be rape or not depends on the partner. If it is the other girls inside their rooms, then it would be rape. If it is Mary or Slime, who already gave their consent to let you do whatever you want after you win battles against them or put them to sleep, then sleep sex won’t be rape.

 

[youyou]

holding hands or staring

 

[BlasKyau]

I know your specific tastes. You have argued with people before in other games about this stance, so you don’t really need to explain.

You are one of those people who want to play R18 games where there are rape-like options (including mind control and the like), but you also want those options to be avoidable, specifically so you can avoid those options like the plague. It is understandable, if a little rare among all players.

Personally in this type of game (sandbox) there are times that I like to put the MC in the situation of being able to do it in order to avoid it (for example, enter a bedroom, select a LI and after that choose the option to leave) It's possibly weird.

To clarify, whether sleep sex would be rape or not depends on the partner. If it is the other girls inside their rooms, then it would be rape. If it is Mary or Slime, who already gave their consent to let you do whatever you want after you win battles against them or put them to sleep, then sleep sex won’t be rape.

Certainly if there is consent it isn't rape.

 

[Doll and Death]

Personally in this type of game (sandbox) there are times that I like to put the MC in the situation of being able to do it in order to avoid it (for example, enter a bedroom, select a LI and after that choose the option to leave) It's possibly weird.



Certainly if there is consent it isn't rape.

You can probably understand by now, but basically, I am disappointed because an idea I was excited about, and something I was waiting for more than a month, suddenly got cancelled because the dev arbitrarily decided “it is not fun” and might attract more “negative reviews”.

Normal game developers would probably put a poll or something similar to ask their players first whether an idea should be cancelled or not. If not a poll, you can at least consult other people for second opinions rather than arbitrarily decide “I don’t like this”, especially after stating “I plan to implement it”.

Even if it is not fun to the dev, it could still be fun for players. Maybe it is childish of me to complain, but the dev could have done any of these first.

I'm already getting negative reviews about some elements of my game

Choosing to listen to negative reviews is the wrong step, because that means prioritizing people who dislike the game over the people who actually enjoy the game. Result: the people who left negative reviews don’t care, while the people who initially enjoy the game now don’t like the game.

 

[BlasKyau]

You can probably understand by now, but basically, I am disappointed because an idea I was excited about, and something I was waiting for more than a month, suddenly got cancelled because the dev arbitrarily decided “it is not fun” and might attract more “negative reviews”.

I do understand why you are disappointed. Actually what you indicate could have many uses once implemented.

Choosing to listen to negative reviews is the wrong step, because that means prioritizing people who dislike the game over the people who actually enjoy the game. Result: the people who left negative reviews don’t care, while the people who initially enjoy the game now don’t like the game.

Actually it always depends on what they consider negative and if those observations can be used by the Dev to implement something that improves the game.

For example, I suppose that due to complaints, the Dev has implemented a way to avoid having to do the first of the conversations with the unsympathetic elf. Possibly not the way I would have preferred, but if I didn't have the game started I would have taken it.

 

[B.A.T/Squaround]

Normal game developers would probably put a poll or something similar to ask their players first whether an idea should be cancelled or not. If not a poll, you can at least consult other people for second opinions rather than arbitrarily decide “I don’t like this”, especially after stating “I plan to implement it”. It just doesn’t paint you as a responsible.

I can understand this point of view, but I would like to point out that I have been testing for several days by testing different gameplay mechanisms. Making polls would be absurd in this context because only I have tried and tested the mini-game, so only I have enough information to make a decision about it. I am open to ideas and proposals, I have already proven that, but I don't have to feel obliged to persist in a dead end.

I would also like to point out that you are caricaturing my decision, you may have found the announcement sudden, but I personally spent a lot of time doing the animations and testing, so if I cancelled it rather than leaving it, it's because I had a good reason and I thought about it a lot.

I can’t believe I would actually get to say this to someone: I am not even mad. Just disappointed

With no disrespect to you, I also want to make it clear that your feelings are not my concern, and you are in no position to complain, I am currently the only one investing time and money in this project.

 

[RoseWulfLea]

Downloading game now, will review once I play it.

 

[B.A.T/Squaround]

Downloading game now, will review once I play it.

Oh weird still no one has bothered to post a review for this game.

I think it's because my game is still in a fairly early stage of development that there are no reviews yet

 

[Doll and Death]

I had a good reason and I thought about it a lot.

If you say so. Since you said this, then that means the only thing left for me to do as a player is to wait and see, if your reasoning is good enough and you can come up with better ideas.

With no disrespect to you, I also want to make it clear that your feelings are not my concern, and you are in no position to complain, I am currently the only one investing time and money in this project.

In other words, become your Patreon and invest money to actually get a say in how your game develops. Pretty bold.

 

[B.A.T/Squaround]

In other words, become your Patreon and invest money to actually get a say in how your game develops. Pretty bold.

I won't let you talk any nonsense about me, I do things out of passion, the people who asked me to make a guide were not patrons, that didn't stop me from doing it, when you asked me to change some of the parameters of Mary's fight I did it... I could go on and on with a complete list of all the requests I've answered, but it's not worth it, your comments are just dishonest and ungrateful.
But yes, I have the right to point out that you don't even give me money when you come to reproach me, while moreover I have already taken into account some of your remarks concerning Mary's fight and modified some parameters as you had asked me.

You can at least consult other people for second opinions

Oh, also, don't take me for a fool, it's been a while since I noticed that you talk the same way as someone who talks to me in private messages on discord, and that you connect during the same time slot. So when you say I should consult other people, you just want to be the one being consulted.

 

[Doll and Death]

I won't let you talk any nonsense about me, I do things out of passion, the people who asked me to make a guide were not patrons, that didn't stop me from doing it, when you asked me to change some of the parameters of Mary's fight I did it... I could go on and on with a complete list of all the requests I've answered, but it's not worth it, your comments are just dishonest and ungrateful.
But yes, I have the right to point out that you don't even give me money when you come to reproach me, while moreover I have already taken into account some of your remarks concerning Mary's fight and modified some parameters as you had asked me.

Don’t misunderstand. I am not trying to make it seem you make your game for money — I made it clear from the very first post I made, that you should not listen to people that don’t recognize your efforts. You are not such a shallow person.

I am saying you are pretty bold to say you are willing to allow people who pay for your game to have a say in your game. Normal game devs don’t do that. They usually just make their content available earlier to people who pay.

You are right, I have been ungrateful. My messages in the past few days are probably the most childish things I have said in this website yet — I have no excuses, it is poor attitude for a player. You are free to dislike me for that.

Oh, also, don't take me for a fool, it's been a while since I noticed that you talk the same way as someone who talks to me in private messages on discord, and that you connect during the same time slot. So when you say I should consult other people, you just want to be the one being consulted.

You finally point it out. That is good, that makes things a lot simpler. Do you have a problem with my way of doing things?

My point still stands, though. You should have other people to consult with. I like directing you to me, but that doesn’t mean I have a problem if you consult other people. I did propose a poll.

 

[RoseWulfLea]

If you say so. Since you said this, then that means the only thing left for me to do as a player is to wait and see, if your reasoning is good enough and you can come up with better ideas.



In other words, become your Patreon and invest money to actually get a say in how your game develops. Pretty bold.

I mean yea, either a dev makes something they enjoy, something to make money, or both. Its not bold for someone to say that you need to pay them to affect a project they are making cause they enjoy it. It's pretty privileged mindset to thing you have enough power to affect anything without dropping a cent into it.

 

[RoseWulfLea]

Don’t misunderstand. I am not trying to make it seem you make your game for money — I made it clear from the very first post I made, that you should not listen to people that don’t recognize your efforts. You are not such a shallow person.

I am saying you are pretty bold to say you are willing to allow people who pay for your game to have a say in your game. Normal game devs don’t do that. They usually just make their content available earlier to people who pay.

You are right, I have been ungrateful. My messages in the past few days are probably the most childish things I have said in this website yet — I have no excuses, it is poor attitude for a player. You are free to dislike me for that.



You finally point it out. That is good, that makes things a lot simpler. Do you have a problem with my way of doing things?

My point still stands, though. You should have other people to consult with. I like directing you to me, but that doesn’t mean I have a problem if you consult other people. I did propose a poll.

Wow, that's kinda scummy and underhanded. I personally wouldn't ask you for any advice if I found out you were trying to play me like that. If you genuinely would like to help/give advice doing stuff like this is the LAST thing that will help, especially if your found out.

 

[Beckz]

Haah..
Come on...

Don’t misunderstand. I am not trying to make it seem you make your game for money — I made it clear from the very first post I made, that you should not listen to people that don’t recognize your efforts. You are not such a shallow person.

I am saying you are pretty bold to say you are willing to allow people who pay for your game to have a say in your game. Normal game devs don’t do that. They usually just make their content available earlier to people who pay.

You are right, I have been ungrateful. My messages in the past few days are probably the most childish things I have said in this website yet — I have no excuses, it is poor attitude for a player. You are free to dislike me for that.



You finally point it out. That is good, that makes things a lot simpler. Do you have a problem with my way of doing things?

My point still stands, though. You should have other people to consult with. I like directing you to me, but that doesn’t mean I have a problem if you consult other people. I did propose a poll.

Just wait till it is completed. Man.
There is still a slim "chance" that the choke you wanted will be implemented in a future. So why not just enjoy and wait for it to be completed?
Have you played all JSK Studio's game btw?

I won't let you talk any nonsense about me, I do things out of passion, the people who asked me to make a guide were not patrons, that didn't stop me from doing it, when you asked me to change some of the parameters of Mary's fight I did it... I could go on and on with a complete list of all the requests I've answered, but it's not worth it, your comments are just dishonest and ungrateful.
But yes, I have the right to point out that you don't even give me money when you come to reproach me, while moreover I have already taken into account some of your remarks concerning Mary's fight and modified some parameters as you had asked me.



Oh, also, don't take me for a fool, it's been a while since I noticed that you talk the same way as someone who talks to me in private messages on discord, and that you connect during the same time slot. So when you say I should consult other people, you just want to be the one being consulted.

Always remember one most important rule of every "creator".
"Your game, your rule"
Wether from review or your personal reason. You're free to do as you please, Good Sir.

 

[Darkkitekek]

will that loli be available later the puzzle one or she gonna be innocent and protected

 

[B.A.T/Squaround]

will that loli be available later the puzzle one or she gonna be innocent and protected

Since she is a child, she will be rather innocent and protected, I don't want to have problems with the FBI (jokes aside, I prefer to avoid having problems with the different platforms I am on).
However, it is possible that I implement adults who have a loli physique (it is not a child's physique either, just a petite one with small boobs)

I would like to point out that it is not impossible that Vysha (the girl you are talking about) has relatives who look like her or that she grows up. Doing scenes with her or someone who looks like her is not in the cards for me though, I'm preparing something else right now.