VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

[Deleted member 1150609]

It means, even the animator dont know whats going on. He already finish what he suppose to finish but for some reason gumdrop wants to insert some things to prolong the release.

There won't be any release (at least in any non-embarrassing form that wouldn't make even his patrons aware of the scam). No point in insisting that this is merely a milking scheme. The evidence overwhelmingly shows he has virtually no work done: https://f95zone.to/threads/dual-family-v0-98-ce-gumdrop-games.1870/page-467#post-2398851 . Since he has no work done and no intention of doing any work, he resorts to commissioning some random dude to keep fooling people by pretending this is a legit project.

The tag is right, this was abandoned in 2018, it only exists as a scamming scheme now. Any rational person can see that a few seconds of commissioned work after 2 years is pathetic, and definitive evidence of this having been abandoned. Commissioning is the bare minimum required so the delusional people still funding him don't become aware of the scam. It's also funded with a tiny fraction of what he gets from scamming them, so it costs nothing (most notably, it means he invests no time on this scam).

Furthermore, that the only non-trivial work he can show after more than 2 years is commissioned shows that he has no intentions of doing any work or releasing anything, or he would have learned to animate himself. Others devs have literally started from zero and learned to do great animations in the last 2 years, while this scammer kept telling you he was doing "work".

 

[yep10]

What Happened to that Josh Tree guy who was defending the dev lmao?

Sent me a DM a couple weeks ago! Seemed really upset when I said that I would report Gumdrop for rape content .

 

[ilikemomsonincest]

His last deadline is May 23rd. Don't hold your breath.
Somebody with too much time on their hands should do a summary of all missed deadlines specifically stated by gumdrop so others can see it.

So basically his next release date is going to be 5 months after he specifically reassured his patrons saying it wouldn't take more than 4-5 months to finish the single remaining animation. And people still give this guy money? lol

 

[fotogaik]

Well, somebody from here reported gumdrop to patreon towards the end of February and patreon did nothing to his page.

As for the animations, what fatcat offers as a service is posing the animations -- placing models, adding movements and so on. This is tedious work that requires attention to detail and so on, so even if you can do very nice still renders yourself, your animations may be utter crap. Animation commissions are pricey, but if the animation is done well, it pays for itself, so to speak.

The result of the work of an animator are just descriptions for a renderer to place models and how to animate them frame by frame. There will usually be a suggested viewport as well (in some cases the viewport needs to be fixed because there's nothing beyond the frame). The final work depends on the quality of rendering you opt for. You can add occlusions, depth of field, and so on, but in the end, if you want, say, full HD quality, and a full HD frame takes 30 minutes to render, a 4 minute movie in 60 fps is 14400 frames, which translates to 7200 hours of rendering or 300 days 24/7.
You can pre-render parts of a scene which makes the animation render faster (if your software is able to take advantage of this), but those are very small gains, and you really need two orders of magnitude faster processing if you're serious about adding animations to your game. If you can rent appropriate processing power in the cloud, it starts being viable.

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As for my take about the delay of part X, gumdrop got lazy and his work ethics went downhill around part 6-8, where he already had 1-2 month delays releasing new parts. Then it's this long hiatus where people still want to throw money at him for no work done (and it's the same people -- the drop at the beginning of the month is denied payments which are then manually retried), and gumdrop starts getting money for nothing and keeps promising the moon. Once patrons started leaving, he began promising more and more features to explain his obvious lack of progress, all until he promised animation mid-last year and commissioned fatcat. I didn't realize it was a 4 minute animation (they're typically 30 seconds long, usually much shorter). If it's that long, gumdrop has no chance of making his May deadline (unless he goes for really low resolution).

And it's all self-inflicted. He should have just went on with a monthly, or even bi-monthly schedule, maybe take three-four months for part X, if wrapping up the story is that much longer and don't promise animations that most of his patrons didn't care for at all. Instead, he now put a lot more work ahead of him that can never be completed.

 

[Victarion000]

Apparently, he put this game on steam so I guess you'll have to buy it and hope for a new update on steam

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[fotogaik]

Apparently, he put this game on steam so I guess you'll have to buy it and hope for a new update on steam

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Don't listen to that guy.

The version on steam is virtually the same as the one on patreon. Content-wise, they're the same. And the same as the version available on gumdrop's site.

Kyle used at least three different platforms to release Dual Family. Patreon was the original one, second was his own site, and third was Steam. There's no reason to believe that any of those versions will be updated sooner, that any of those versions will be abandoned or that any of those versions carry any more guarantee of completion than another -- Steam allows publishing unfinished games and doesn't require developers or publishers to provide a finished version. So there.

There's one potential advantage: You pay for the game once*. If Kyle ever gets around to finishing his game, you will get an updated version when it's posted. If he doesn't, at least you only paid once. But he's going to release the three acts as three separate games, so part X is the last update to act I.

*) I mean, unless gumdrop decides to release act I part X as a separate standalone release. I don't think he's above that.

 

[Paranoid_android]

Don't listen to that guy.

The version on steam is virtually the same as the one on Patreon. Content-wise, they're the same. And the same as the version available on gumdrop's site.

Kyle used at least three different platforms to release Dual Family. Patreon was the original one, the second was his own site, and the third was Steam. There's no reason to believe that any of those versions will be updated sooner, that any of those versions will be abandoned or that any of those versions carry any more guarantee of completion than another -- Steam allows publishing unfinished games and doesn't require developers or publishers to provide a finished version. So there.

There's one potential advantage: You pay for the game once*. If Kyle ever gets around to finishing his game, you will get an updated version when it's posted. If he doesn't, at least you only paid once. But he's going to release the three acts as three separate games, so part X is the last update to act I.

*) I mean, unless gumdrop decides to release act I part X as a separate standalone release. I don't think he's above that.

Just to tack a bit more of info:

Regarding the platforms on which GD has released, in which users can buy the game as a product, you forgot to mention

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and

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. These last two pages are also up-to-date with the game's updates, meaning that they have all the released builds available including the Last Christmas one. Though unlike Patreon and the personal page of GD, they are also in Limbo like the Steam page with no information regarding the future of the game nor its development.

By the way, in regards to your last bit in regards to the possible release system on Steam for the Finale of Act I, part X:

* Oh no, GD is definitely not above that! He states on the Steam page on the About this game", specifically in the last two paragraphs within the sub-section of 'The Development' that the finale of Act I, part X will be sold as a standalone game.

 

[Trapezio]

Once again, I think this thread should be locked by mods.

 

[fotogaik]

Once again, I think this thread should be locked by mods.

Wouldn't that set a bad precedent? I mean, I don't think any other game thread was locked this way or for this reason, so it would require setting some ground rules to prevent these decisions from being arbitrary.

And there's no good reason to lock this thread. The game is not breaking the law, no more than other games listed here, anyway.

Besides, there's likely* going to be a part X released, possibly this year. There will be a spamflood of requests to post the game, people will try posting new threads, it will be a nightmare. Keeping the thread open is fine.

*) To avoid possible confusion: By making this statement, I'm not advocating buying this game from any platform or supporting gumdrop on any platform

 

[yandex]

I get sad thinking about what great potential was here, imagine in all this time if he made the game and worked more, maybe this would have been completed by now; all 30 parts, maybe this and another of his game would be completed, maybe he would have been on his 3rd or 4th game by now...

It seems so unfair that this is going on and he is getting away and will continue to get away without impunity in the future, this demands a witch hunt from the porn gaming community, an outcast status from all facets of this industry

 

[SDDA]

I mean the only thing what was good about this game was the nice renders, but even half of those were zoomed in, or blurry af.

BUT keep up the hope , maybe one day he puts all his money on the red and lose , so he has to come b to release 1-2 part.

 

[Trapezio]

Wouldn't that set a bad precedent? I mean, I don't think any other game thread was locked this way or for this reason, so it would require setting some ground rules to prevent these decisions from being arbitrary.

And there's no good reason to lock this thread. The game is not breaking the law, no more than other games listed here, anyway.

Besides, there's likely* going to be a part X released, possibly this year. There will be a spamflood of requests to post the game, people will try posting new threads, it will be a nightmare. Keeping the thread open is fine.

*) To avoid possible confusion: By making this statement, I'm not advocating buying this game from any platform or supporting gumdrop on any platform

Dude, YOU and your statements are the reason why I wrote that this thread should be locked.

 

[Deleted member 1150609]

lmao, listen to these people: "there's likely going to be a part X released" . They are shameless, this crap was abandoned in 2018, stop trying to prop up the scam here: https://f95zone.to/threads/dual-family-v0-98-ce-gumdrop-games.1870/page-467#post-2398851 . There won't be any release again (it was abandoned in 2018, and no work has been done ever since), stop doing PR for a scammer.

 

[itsyeboii]

lmao, listen to these people: "there's likely going to be a part X released" . They are shameless, this crap was abandoned in 2018, stop trying to prop up the scam here: https://f95zone.to/threads/dual-family-v0-98-ce-gumdrop-games.1870/page-467#post-2398851 . There won't be any release again (it was abandoned in 2018, and no work has been done ever since), stop doing PR for a scammer.

Part X will come out soon, Gumdrop promised us.

 

[Ice piece]

Part X will come out soon, Gumdrop promised us.

It will come out when his Patreon numbers greatly decrease, for that to happen someone needs to steal his game and continuing it in their own way and earn money from his work.

 

[fotogaik]

It will come out when his Patreon numbers greatly decrease, for that to happen someone needs to steal his game and continuing it in their own way and earn money from his work.

It's called copyright infringement and good luck with that.

 

[Ice piece]

It's called copyright infringement and good luck with that.

I see a lot of bb clones in this site

 

[fotogaik]

I see a lot of bb clones in this site

I didn't like bb, so I don't care for it or its clones. Maybe. Maybe bb developer is dead and didn't leave it as legacy so nobody is going to take it to court, but in case of DF, gumdrop (or somebody posing as him) is alive, has continued interest in the game, and if someone tries to profit from a clone, he'll take it to court (easy money, after all).

 

[Ice piece]

I didn't like bb, so I don't care for it or its clones. Maybe. Maybe bb developer is dead and didn't leave it as legacy so nobody is going to take it to court, but in case of DF, gumdrop (or somebody posing as him) is alive, has continued interest in the game, and if someone tries to profit from a clone, he'll take it to court (easy money, after all).

BB's dev Darksilver is still alive he has integrated BB story in Glamour his new game as an alternate path, he is also aware that his game is being copied and people making money from it, regardless I don't think gumdrop can do anything to someone from another country not all devs are from the US.

 

[sob]

Does he own the models? Did he trademark the models? Did he patent the divorce or the term "splitting family"?
He owns the title Dual Family and that's it.
Anyone can make a Triple Family game with the same models and the same story.