Kaffekop

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Hey
Oh boy, this whole money conversation and "I'm entitled to" standpoint is becoming ridiculous. The bashing and counter bashing is not needed at all. It's all about understanding, what Patreon is all about and what Patreon is not about.

Patreon is not about: Raising money to make a full product available to the backers. At any point, really, and that is important to understand.

Patreon is all about: Tipping the developer monthly and get tiered "perks" (or whatever) in return for that particular month's pledge. No more and no less.

The reason behind pledging should always be: I like what you're doing and I'll like to throw you some monetary support, this month, and maybe also the next - who knows.

No one is "entitled" to anything beyond what they get for that particular month, that they pledge their money. How much you decide to pledge is on you, the pledger. No one is forcing anyone to give more, than they are comfortable with.
I supported DS in the past, several times, but when I saw were BB was going I stopped. No need to throw money at something that you're not happy with.

And quite frankly: What's it to anyone, what a developer on Patreon makes? That's just envy.
My road to being a developer has so far cost me around 5k$ just to get where I am now. So basically I'm in the red from the get go. It'll take quite a while, if ever, to get my investment back.
And then there are the expenses for electricity. Having a renderer producing images almost 24/7 is quite costly.

Long rant, I know. Anyways ... back to the drawing board.

Cheers, and chill dudes and dudettes - Kaffekop
 

DawnCry

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Now that ann got sexed up big brother can truly end. @DarkSilver just has to make one final update where lisa loses her virginity and maybe has a small quest with kira.theit will only take a month to develop and it will be a farewell from the family
There are many things that are left incomplete and many others that could have been explored more... there are two characters very undeveloped in comparison with the others and those are Eric and Kira, in fact Eric is the most undeveloped character in the whole game, having many paths in construction like letting him stay in the house and the change he offers with you, Alicia for your mother. In fact he is so undeveloped that you can ignore him all game until the moment you decide to get him out.

Another point are the relationship levels and effects, it could have been improved a lot and you could have had a feeling of having Eric in your house with the characters.

And many more things that could have been added... in fact I find it quite fair that it is version 0.13 because of that, helping your mother solve her trauma for example with unorthodox means (like letting her act like a dominatrix to reverse the trauma it could have been quite fun).

I hope that the game remains "on hold" until the issue is solved and not like "the game has ended", at most I would ask for a remake with things properly completed at a later date.
 

a1fox3

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any ones know what has been added plz ?
Sex with Ann/Mother. Lots of it, all over the house, several times a day.
Even Alice gets to partake.

For a more comprehensive listing... download and play!
The Alice part is pure evil blackmail like she did with Lisa and Max.
I don't care if all parties like it now it is still pure evil what has happen.
 
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armion82

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You need to realise that that 350k you're naming is divided over 4 people. Then the living costs and other costs for a year get deducted. Then you have what's left of what DS has made in a year. It isn't 350k pure profit for DS.
Well I understand that but I doubt he split it equaly in 4.And there is no matter what you work you anyway don't get all money.Still it is at least 10K $ each month for him way more than you can make in almost every country in the world.
 
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Heinz Becker

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And quite frankly: What's it to anyone, what a developer on Patreon makes? That's just envy.
My road to being a developer has so far cost me around 5k$ just to get where I am now. So basically I'm in the red from the get go. It'll take quite a while, if ever, to get my investment back.
Right, I'm in a similar position, but without the money problem.
Trying to get out for weeks with the first demo, there is one problem after another once you enter reality and leave the dreamworld. I wanted to provide my demo in January and now, as I'm in hospital, I could only imagine what they would do to me if my Patreon would have already grown and expectations would have been that high.
This "I want it all and I want it now" is not very motivating for a dev or dev-to-be.
But it would make a very good title for a song... :)
 

Kaffekop

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Sorry to hear about the hospital. Hope you get well soon.
And, I'm guessing here, but you already knew that song ... didn't you? ;)
 

phreakinowski

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Im on mac with 1.8.3.do you know where i can download your 3.1?
Ive tried many different downloads but they all unzip files that need more unzipping and it never ends so i dont get the app
I have never been able to get Unity games like BB to work properly under Wine, so I am just hoping DS will release a final Mac v.13 as well soon (have my doubts though). Mac builds have been appearing here in the discussion thread about 1-2 weeks after the PC build, but have never been linked to on the main page for some reason. So I guess we just need to keep checking back here every once in awhile in the hope the final Mac build will appear some day. (unless someone has an honest to goodness working Wine solution I don't know about for Unity games?)
 

armion82

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Mar 28, 2017
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Hey
Oh boy, this whole money conversation and "I'm entitled to" standpoint is becoming ridiculous. The bashing and counter bashing is not needed at all. It's all about understanding, what Patreon is all about and what Patreon is not about.

Patreon is not about: Raising money to make a full product available to the backers. At any point, really, and that is important to understand.

Patreon is all about: Tipping the developer monthly and get tiered "perks" (or whatever) in return for that particular month's pledge. No more and no less.

The reason behind pledging should always be: I like what you're doing and I'll like to throw you some monetary support, this month, and maybe also the next - who knows.

No one is "entitled" to anything beyond what they get for that particular month, that they pledge their money. How much you decide to pledge is on you, the pledger. No one is forcing anyone to give more, than they are comfortable with.
I supported DS in the past, several times, but when I saw were BB was going I stopped. No need to throw money at something that you're not happy with.

And quite frankly: What's it to anyone, what a developer on Patreon makes? That's just envy.
My road to being a developer has so far cost me around 5k$ just to get where I am now. So basically I'm in the red from the get go. It'll take quite a while, if ever, to get my investment back.
And then there are the expenses for electricity. Having a renderer producing images almost 24/7 is quite costly.

Long rant, I know. Anyways ... back to the drawing board.

Cheers, and chill dudes and dudettes - Kaffekop
Just finish your game.Nice start.Good to see Mary have red hair and Triss hair style.Jocelyn model reminds me of someone but can't remember now.BTW it's so nice that big sister is not a bitch with the brother.Neighbors are hot too.
I hope you don't throw the mystery with the new house through the window like DS did.
 

a1fox3

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how can I usemy saves?
I copied all saves but it writes that to be continued(olivias house)
If you don't know how to copy and paste then I can not help you.
Its a very simple process.
 

zeppelin

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Are there any pics added in 0.13 from 0.12? I downloaded from the "Mega-1" link and I can't see anything new in the image folder.
 

Snugglepuff

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The Alice part is pure evil blackmail like she did with Lisa and Max.
I don't care if all parties like it now it is still pure evil what has happen.
Because the Lisa GF path's manipulations we (as Max) do are so much better than up front blackmail from someone who's basically Kira 2.0 and wanting to be included in sex with her family and not just with her brother... Including emotional blackmail of Lisa.
 
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