ssj782

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Definitely have to say that the scene near the end may be by far my favorite H scene that doesn't have to do with ntr.
Looking forward to seeing more of the story and the direction their relationship is going after seeing how good their first (finally) full scene was written.
 
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Thatch Gallows

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I'm almost mad that after a good year or so playing every adult VN I came across that I only just found this one now. This should be at the top of every "story-driven VN" list. I know not everyone likes the character models that don't look like typical VN bimbos but it's such a breath of fresh air to have women with actual ethnic traits and not just some model that was obviously supposed to be caucasian but colored brown. I'm sure I'm not saying anything new but there's no way I'm going to read through 350 pages of posts. I just wanted to voice my appreciation for real quality that is so very rarely seen in your average VN.
 
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Larry2000

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Is it weird that anytime I see or think about Light of my Life I start to sing Love of my Life by Queen? Don't think I don't see the connection and subliminal reason behind it naughtyroad. Oh well, You've stolen my love, you jerk! Can't you see? Don't take it away from me... But, whatever, I still love you.
 

meyele

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Cuz people here think with their diks man, everyone one in this site (not this thread) only think a VN is good because it has a nude slut with 4 fingers spreading her pussy on the front cover, meanwhile the girls might not seem that pretty, the dev did a mighty damn fine job in the script department to make us players care for the girls, i myself am very fond of Denise (y)

PS: But dev make some boobjob scene for Macy, i cant stand diferent sized boobs :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
wait...Macy's boobs are diferent sizes? i never noticed....
Also i'm not a boob owner but aren't breasts supossed to be assymetrical? kinda like we guys have one ball bigger than the other.


I'm almost mad that after a good year or so playing every adult VN I came across that I only just found this one now. This should be at the top of every "story-driven VN" list. I know not everyone likes the character models that don't look like typical VN bimbos but it's such a breath of fresh air to have women with actual ethnic traits and not just some model that was obviously supposed to be caucasian but colored brown. I'm sure I'm not saying anything new but there's no way I'm going to read through 350 pages of posts. I just wanted to voice my appreciation for real quality that is so very rarely seen in your average VN.
Oh you lucky bastard, i've been waiting since last year for the next update and you discovered this amazing game when a new update is just around the corner!
 

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(in response to a now removed NTR discussion)
Well, hopefully laying this matter to rest: I don't deny anyone their kink, but as Meyele already pointed out, there will be no NTR in LomL. For anyone that's disappointed by that: I'm sorry, I just don't feel that particular one, and if I don't feel it, I can't write about it.
 
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Watcher X

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Well, hopefully laying this matter to rest: I don't deny anyone their kink, but as Meyele already pointed out, there will be no NTR in LomL. For anyone that's disappointed by that: I'm sorry, I just don't feel that particular one, and if I don't feel it, I can't write about it.
Even if you did 'feel it', I can't imagine any scenario where ntr in this story would logically work. You would have to re-write all three main characters. It's like asking "will there be any futa content"?
 

Dragon59

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Even if you did 'feel it', I can't imagine any scenario where ntr in this story would logically work. You would have to re-write all three main characters. It's like asking "will there be any futa content"?
Well, will there be any futa content? ;)

Edit: Frustrating to have something deleted as "off topic," but to not remember what it could have been. My first thought was this comment, but here it is...
 
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Larry2000

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Hopefully this is a pertinent question naughtyroad, but I wanted to ask about your original intentions on paths/routes. You have this in the OP:
Note from NaughtyRoad: I make it a point to telegraph dangerous choices and keep you on the rails. Also, there's no mutually exclusive paths, so no need to hold off on any character out of fear of missing out with another.
I really recommend you try it without walkthrough or walk through
mod on your first play and trust that I won't try to fuck you over with surprise lockouts/endings.
I imagine there were Mutually exclusive paths from the onset right? I seem to remember there being some intention in a specific direction, at the very least, it was always the plan that you could avoid Macy and Denise in a sexual sense. That said, I could be misremembering. I remember initially going for... the lady from your office, i forgot her name (Brooke!), then going "Wait! Denise hates her! Oh no!" and I went back and changed the path. Obviously it's clear now that you can safely go for her. My thought is that the choice in the game always felt fluffy and light. It was obvious to me that they were rather superfluous. It's obviously intentional to me because if they did have an impact it would be SOOOOOO annoying to do a walkthrough. I like it cause it helps give an illusion of choice that doesn't piss you off and give you the voice/intention behind what you want the MC to be.

All this to say, did you change your plan from the beginning or not? If you did I imagine it's because of complex factors like: getting people to enjoy all the content instead of missing it; the complexity of such pathing would make it a pain to continue past a few updates; Macy and Denise's stories would suffer for it.

Edit: What are the "dangerous choices" you spoke about?

Just wondering :)
 

Skeltom

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Frustrating to have something deleted as "off topic," but to not remember what it could have been. My first thought was this comment, but here it is...
It was all of the posts in the NTR discussion, aside from naughtyroad's which somehow isn't off topic. Not trying to start anything but it does make it seem like his comment comes out of nowhere.
 

naughtyroad

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Hopefully this is a pertinent question naughtyroad, but I wanted to ask about your original intentions on paths/routes. (...)
Well, with mutual exclusives, e.g. choose girl A->lose girl B, but choose girl B->lose girl A: those aren't in there because frankly, I feel it's a waste of time to create scenes for girl A and B, and by average have only see 50% of the audience see that work. So there's exclusion paths, but they only exclude people you have no interest in, they won't result in seeing content you wouldn't see otherwise (except where it modifies dialogue to reflect that choice). That idea of not doing mutually exclusive paths was there from the outset.

As to fluffy and light, IDK. I mean, you can choose to pursue her if you like her, and if not, you don't have to deal with her much, so there's an impact, and it'll influence a ton of dialogue with Macy/Denise but also with the other office ladies if you do, (and that's a huge impact from the scripting side), so there's consequence and meaning to the choice.

But I understand the deeper question here: are there Consequences (capital C) to the choice? No, and by design. Dire consequences might be fun if you're playing the Witcher, but in a VN, it's just cockblocking (or cuntblocking, depending on the player).
I really hate the idea of having to choose between love interests because someone decided hard choices are fun, and that they make for good drama. I don't think they do, I think they're a kneejerk reaction to what the developer feels makes good normal games, but I feel it's misplaced in the erotic/adult VN genre, especially for a game like this. If there are consequences (lower case) to choices, they should be clear to the player up front, and avoidable, otherwise, you're just setting the player up to be frustrated.

Somewhat related, I wrote a whole bunch on choices here.

So, coming back to your original question: yeah, that was my intention from the beginning, although I couldn't have imagined LomL would turn out to be so massive, so I hadn't foreseen it all playing out in this way exactly (just the broad strokes).

Dangerous choices: those are the choices that lock out Macy&Denise. The game will tell you what you're about to choose there so you can avoid it, or it'll hide those choices entirely if you so choose so you don't have the immersion breaking "WARNING" in your dialog.
 

Skeltom

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because someone decided hard choices are fun, and that they make for good drama.
I mean, they can work in some cases but it has to be done exceptionally well I think, or the dev has to have some thick skin and be prepared for the backlash, I'm sure you could but please don't ;).

I personally play these to escape the shit from the day to day so if it is to dramatic or forceful I simply wont enjoy it and all "game overs" do is tell the player they made the "wrong" choice as far as the dev is concerned.

Props for you for the mixture of drama, lightheartedness and not forcing the players hand. This definitely isn't a one trick pony.
 

clowns234

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Well, with mutual exclusives, e.g. choose girl A->lose girl B, but choose girl B->lose girl A: those aren't in there because frankly, I feel it's a waste of time to create scenes for girl A and B, and by average have only see 50% of the audience see that work. So there's exclusion paths, but they only exclude people you have no interest in, they won't result in seeing content you wouldn't see otherwise (except where it modifies dialogue to reflect that choice). That idea of not doing mutually exclusive paths was there from the outset.

As to fluffy and light, IDK. I mean, you can choose to pursue her if you like her, and if not, you don't have to deal with her much, so there's an impact, and it'll influence a ton of dialogue with Macy/Denise but also with the other office ladies if you do, (and that's a huge impact from the scripting side), so there's consequence and meaning to the choice.

But I understand the deeper question here: are there Consequences (capital C) to the choice? No, and by design. Dire consequences might be fun if you're playing the Witcher, but in a VN, it's just cockblocking (or cuntblocking, depending on the player).
I really hate the idea of having to choose between love interests because someone decided hard choices are fun, and that they make for good drama. I don't think they do, I think they're a kneejerk reaction to what the developer feels makes good normal games, but I feel it's misplaced in the erotic/adult VN genre, especially for a game like this. If there are consequences (lower case) to choices, they should be clear to the player up front, and avoidable, otherwise, you're just setting the player up to be frustrated.

Somewhat related, I wrote a whole bunch on choices here.

So, coming back to your original question: yeah, that was my intention from the beginning, although I couldn't have imagined LomL would turn out to be so massive, so I hadn't foreseen it all playing out in this way exactly (just the broad strokes).

Dangerous choices: those are the choices that lock out Macy&Denise. The game will tell you what you're about to choose there so you can avoid it, or it'll hide those choices entirely if you so choose so you don't have the immersion breaking "WARNING" in your dialog.
As a developer, I think you must stay true to your vision and what you like. Trying to appeal to everyone is a losing battle - imho. Here's to more of your continued success. :)
 
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