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Not if you self-insert as Hunter. Just sayin'. :sneaky:
I actually don't get NTR guys nor the non-NTR guys, so you'r imagining yourself as the guy not fucking?
If stirling is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick
if hunter is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick

I'm all of the characters, POV is just a momentary view from the loser who couldn't make it, I'm all of the winners!
even better if it's some old dude fucking a 20 year old, gives me something to look our for
 

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I actually don't get NTR guys nor the non-NTR guys, so you'r imagining yourself as the guy not fucking?
If stirling is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick
if hunter is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick

I'm all of the characters, POV is just a momentary view from the loser who couldn't make it, I'm all of the winners!
even better if it's some old dude fucking a 20 year old, gives me something to look our for
Protagonists in most of these games are self inserts, one of the reasons why so many games let you rename the protagonist and most don't have any sort of default name at all. You're supposed to imagine yourself as the protagonist. The games pretty much always follow things from their pov.

Most ntr an antagonist are exactly that, antagonist. They are designed to be a foil to the player and the protagonist and often go out of their way to bully the protagonist, make things worse, or ruin their relationship with the love interests. Even if hunter was actually good looking an not an ugly bastard it would be the same way. I get some people choose to self insert themselves as the guy doing the ntr but you really not "supposed to" or it's not really the authors intent. You are supposed to relate with the protagonist and the ntr antagonist is just some jerk who shows up to ruin things. It's not really just a porn game thing it's just a literary thing in general. You are supposed to have a better connection with the pov character
That's also the reason why most people dislike ntr games. Because there is an obvious self insert and the antagonist is not.


Even most people who like ntr don't actually self insert themselves as the ntr guy. They still self insert as the protagonist they just generally get excited seeing the love interests fuck someone else. Games that are meant for you to self insert as the guy doing the stealing are Netorari. But even those protagonist typically aren't like most ntr antagonist as those love interest are usually in some sort of failing marriage or something. Or has a husband who is an asshole to try and justify it.
 

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Protagonists in most of these games are self inserts, one of the reasons why so many games let you rename the protagonist and most don't have any sort of default name at all. You're supposed to imagine yourself as the protagonist. The games pretty much always follow things from their pov.

Most ntr an antagonist are exactly that, antagonist. They are designed to be a foil to the player and the protagonist and often go out of their way to bully the protagonist, make things worse, or ruin their relationship with the love interests. Even if hunter was actually good looking an not an ugly bastard it would be the same way. I get some people choose to self insert themselves as the guy doing the ntr but you really not "supposed to" or it's not really the authors intent. You are supposed to relate with the protagonist and the ntr antagonist is just some jerk who shows up to ruin things. It's not really just a porn game thing it's just a literary thing in general. You are supposed to have a better connection with the pov character
That's also the reason why most people dislike ntr games. Because there is an obvious self insert and the antagonist is not.


Even most people who like ntr don't actually self insert themselves as the ntr guy. They still self insert as the protagonist they just generally get excited seeing the love interests fuck someone else. Games that are meant for you to self insert as the guy doing the stealing are Netorari. But even those protagonist typically aren't like most ntr antagonist as those love interest are usually in some sort of failing marriage or something. Or has a husband who is an asshole to try and justify it.
I agree with you that you're not supposed to self insert as hunter but I find that with porn games especially I have this sort of layer of abstraction going on. Take PV for example, during the main game the MC isn't Sterling he is [Insert my name here] foiling Hunter's plans but as soon as I get to a bad end he becomes Sterling again and, depending on my mood, either I become Hunter or I am a third party omnisciently watching this happen.

This way I can often enjoy ntr without getting too caught up in the emotional and insecurity side of things as it's just porn for me at the end of the day, no matter how good the writing. Although there is certainly a power aspect to it if I self insert as Hunter or play a netori game.
 

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Protagonists in most of these games are self inserts, one of the reasons why so many games let you rename the protagonist and most don't have any sort of default name at all. You're supposed to imagine yourself as the protagonist. The games pretty much always follow things from their pov.
The protagonists in these types of erotic/porn games are not self-inserts of the readers/players but rather likely of the creators as "Self-insertion is a literary device in which the author writes himself or herself into the story as a fictional character". You're wrong about the main characters not having a default name, all you have to do is hit the Enter key and a name will be provided by the creator/game. This game's MC is named "Sterling" which the creator that posts here refers to him a such.

The name changing is there for the reader/player to better help immerse themselves with the story (it's a choice). You're also wrong about having to imagine yourself as the protagonist just because the story follows their point of view, again that is just ultimately a choice you can take as the reader/fapper.

I get some people choose to self insert themselves as the guy doing the ntr but you really not "supposed to" or it's not really the authors intent. You are supposed to relate with the protagonist and the ntr antagonist is just some jerk who shows up to ruin things. It's not really just a porn game thing it's just a literary thing in general. You are supposed to have a better connection with the pov character
That's also the reason why most people dislike ntr games. Because there is an obvious self insert and the antagonist is not.
Again you're using self-insertion incorrectly, but I get what you're saying (you meant imagining yourself as one of the characters). Also, supposed to≠must. Personally I don't like the MC as the whole harem genre/plot frame is saturated and it's more interesting to me to witness the MC not get what he wants even if it is non-canon. But make no mistake, ultimately neither you nor the majority nor the creator get to dictate on HOW all of us enjoy the content that is there.

Even most people who like ntr don't actually self insert themselves as the ntr guy. They still self insert as the protagonist they just generally get excited seeing the love interests fuck someone else.
That's just your assumption, and a wrong one at that. People in this thread, including myself, have posted of the different ways we enjoy the NTR content that differs from your narrow take on it.
 
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I actually don't get NTR guys nor the non-NTR guys, so you'r imagining yourself as the guy not fucking?
If stirling is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick
if hunter is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick

I'm all of the characters, POV is just a momentary view from the loser who couldn't make it, I'm all of the winners!
even better if it's some old dude fucking a 20 year old, gives me something to look our for
Oh, wow!
So, you're telling me that you... self-insert as both the guys and the gals.
Well now, you're most definitely always the winner then, aren't you? I gotta say, that's certainly very progressive of you!
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The protagonists in these types of erotic/porn games are not self-inserts of the readers/players but rather likely of the creators as "Self-insertion is a literary device in which the author writes himself or herself into the story as a fictional character". You're wrong about the main characters not having a default name, all you have to do is hit the Enter key and a name will be provided by the creator/game. This game's MC is named "Sterling" which the creator that posts here refers to him a such.


I said that most games on this site don't have a default name. And from my personal experience they don't. I never said anything about this game. Also I don't think I'm using the term wrong but rather that there is more than one type of self insert. There is an author self insert, which is what you are talking about, and then there is the pretty basic protagonist which is meant to be a self insert for the audience which are usually video game characters. Like the dragonborn and a lot of other rpg protagonists. I don't think most porn game protagonists are author self inserts unless it's like the same 5 guys who make every game.


Even on the wikipedia page it mentions that the audience self insert type is mostly just for video games.


A lot of video games are just straight power fantasies where you are supposed to see yourself as the protagonist. And a lot of hentai has a basic featureless protagonist for the sake of being an audience self insert.

That's just your assumption, and a wrong one at that.

Not really. Thats pretty much the whole point of hthe cuckhold fetish in porn. Some people get excited seeing their SO fuck someone else and the cuckhold fetish in porn is pretty much built around it.
 

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Not after chapter 10 Sterling vaulted several steps.
Eh, not really. The first vaginal sex with Ophelia, who some have waited yearrs to see get fucked was, you guessed it as with Brenna and almost all the others, given to the NTR character first.

No idea why the dev, and the mods who are on the Patreon (or used to be) and patrol this thread, are trying so hard to disguise a NTR focused game as anything but that.
 

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i definitely don't count that as no one really gets off on it. it's a pure bad end by definition with no sexual gratification. Same with Kumiko in silhouette. At least WWG says that bad end and the Kumiko from CH 9 don't count as to unlocking them for what if request. We'll Ophelia counts now, but at the time of that bad end, it didn't.



Because we want to see a guy dominate girls, take the girl and humiliates another guy makes it gay?

Then by your logic, you're getting off when the scenes only involve Sterling. You like to see action when Sterling is involved. seems you're holding out for a specific guy. That's the really sus part. I could care less who fucks the girls, any guy works.
You make no sense with the highlighted part. If you want "any guy" then why do you adamantly push so hard for a specific guy to do it? You are no different than the "sus" perrson you quoted becauuse you want a specific person to do the dominating.

This is a theme for anyone who likes NTR focused games, the trend seems to be to act as a troll to the main story, to self-insert as the "bad guy" who foils the protagonist in some manner. There are plenty of corruption and domination games on the site that don't have NTR yet they aren't popular (and NTR is not as popular from a funding standpoint compared to games without it at all for the most part). It's a specific thing with this specific fetish that people self-insert as what they see as the "bad guy" and trying to foil the story.

BTW, dominating a woman and humiliating a guy are not the same concept BTW. Stories are built around one or the other, and both, or neither, but they aren't tied together. Unless someone is self-inserting as the antagonist for their own ego stroking, the entire NTR fetish is pretty much just porn with different characters involved. It's when the viewer feels some sort of power trip, either from the character getting cucked or they imagine all the IRL players who are getting bent out of shape, that would drive the fetish. NTR is an interesting fetish, since a good portion of those who thrive on power are fairly insecure, have control/anger issues and over-compensate in other ways.

From a purely aesthetic sense, since Sterling is better proportioned than Hunter, why would someone *want* more scenes with an old, fugly character instead of just wanting more sex with better looking characters? Do all the NTR lovers get off on watching Ron Jeremy videos when he's so fat and old? It's the same difference. If someone doesn't like those then they shouldn't like the Hunter scenes in PV, unless they are self-inserting as the old, fast, fugly dude who is on a power trip as a way to apease their ego.
 

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Eh, not really. The first vaginal sex with Ophelia, who some have waited yearrs to see get fucked was, you guessed it as with Brenna and almost all the others, given to the NTR character first.

No idea why the dev, and the mods who are on the Patreon (or used to be) and patrol this thread, are trying so hard to disguise a NTR focused game as anything but that.
Interesting, I've played this excellent game 3 times now and haven't seen a single scene with anything resembling NTR, it's almost as if you can choose to turn it off.....

As for scenes "given" to NTR first, couldn't care less since I'm never gonna see them any way.
 

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Don't listen to this guy. There is a shit ton more vanilla content then NTR. If you play the game right now, Hunter only has 1 sex scene with a woman Sterling doesn't. Unless you count anal, then it's tied.

in terms of overall Vanilla to NTR, Vanilla is crazy ahead. You know how it is though, when there's content you don't like, the anthill is called a mountain.
Eh, the anthill is a mountain when the 1 sex scene different with Ophelia, the main female charactrer that had yet to have any major sex scenes prior to this release. That is a signifigant present for a supposedly non-canon character.

So Hunter got first vag sex with her, the same as he did with the second of the three main female characters, Brenna. And as he did with most of the female cast, major or minor. For a game supposedly not focused on NTR it would be surprising to have an equal number of vanilla and NTR scenes. Now if the dev fully embraced, which he probably should do considering the trime and resources he devotes to it, then they should be equal, I agree with that.
 

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Interesting, I've played this excellent game 3 times now and haven't seen a single scene with anything resembling NTR, it's almost as if you can choose to turn it off.....

As for scenes "given" to NTR first, couldn't care less since I'm never gonna see them any way.
Turning it off does not mean a signifigant portion of the story (thge core of it) and the dev time (30%+ I'd assume unless WWG has changed how he does things) aren't devoted to developing NTR content.

The technicality of the NTR switch does not mean the game, and the development, is not signifigantly focused on NTR content in any way, shape or form.
 

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Turning it off does not mean a signifigant portion of the story (thge core of it) and the dev time (30%+ I'd assume unless WWG has changed how he does things) aren't devoted to developing NTR content.

The technicality of the NTR switch does not mean the game, and the development, is not signifigantly focused on NTR content in any way, shape or form.
No but that is just as big of a part of the game as the rest, you can just choose which you wanna play.
 

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But hunter always got there first
In the actual story, which is what really matters at the end of the day, Hunter has made no progress and Sterling has made nothing but progress.
If you play without the ntr bad ends (THAT ARE NON-CANON) then you don't even know what it is Hunter potentially does to the women in the household.


I've given up at this point trying to understand what the problem some people have with this game when it comes to ntr.
The fact that it is there won't change, but it's not actually a part of the continuing story at all, just a fun fork in the road )that you are also forced back off at the end).
 

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Oh, wow!
So, you're telling me that you... self-insert as both the guys and the gals.
Well now, you're most definitely always the winner then, aren't you? I gotta say, that's certainly very progressive of you!
:KEK:
We're MC-fluid :sneaky:
 
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Turning it off does not mean a signifigant portion of the story (thge core of it) and the dev time (30%+ I'd assume unless WWG has changed how he does things) aren't devoted to developing NTR content.

The technicality of the NTR switch does not mean the game, and the development, is not signifigantly focused on NTR content in any way, shape or form.
I get your point, but you're exaggerating a bit on the actual amount of NTR content.

What if we look at the bad ends like a fail state in a video game? You may not want to see Leon S. Kennedy decapitated by a chainsaw, but that doesn't mean the developers shouldn't have animated it.
 

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I get your point, but you're exaggerating a bit on the actual amount of NTR content.

What if we look at the bad ends like a fail state in a video game? You may not want to see Leon S. Kennedy decapitated by a chainsaw, but that doesn't mean the developers shouldn't have animated it.
they definitely do.

Turning it off does not mean a signifigant portion of the story (thge core of it) and the dev time (30%+ I'd assume unless WWG has changed how he does things) aren't devoted to developing NTR content.

The technicality of the NTR switch does not mean the game, and the development, is not signifigantly focused on NTR content in any way, shape or form.
it's 2 scenes which only happened at the "end point" of the event chain which is part of the story anyway and then you simply see how said event could've ended. By your logic, the dev creates a whole different event chain which he then need to figure out how to tie a "true" and "false" ending.

What the dev spend significant amount of time is creating villain, and this story needs it to exist. The NTR are with only some rare exception(where there is more then one animation in the scene) it's simply another "event" moment in the chain of the whole event which is quite long(and again only two events of out the usually 10+ chains) . Comparing this to the rest of the chains and how much build up each of them has? or the fact that at this point Sterling is having sex(more animation times) multiple times withing the chains that's not 30%. Hell, Sterling a lot of times(and the players) doesn't even know who is the target, as Hunter doesn't make it obvious all the time(or at all in some cases) until it happens.

That's without including the amount of different animation a lot of the these events include either. The NTR haven't yet included as many threesome or more in the same scene while the story included many characters in the same sex scene which is much harder to animate, and the only one I can remember at the moment is Cath+Amber(mc had Brenna+Eva, Cath+amber, and Malory+Eva). Hell, the dev didn't give Hunter a threesome this update even though he could've based on the fact the other person was seeing all of it.
 
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In the actual story, which is what really matters at the end of the day, Hunter has made no progress and Sterling has made nothing but progress.
If you play without the ntr bad ends (THAT ARE NON-CANON) then you don't even know what it is Hunter potentially does to the women in the household.


I've given up at this point trying to understand what the problem some people have with this game when it comes to ntr.
The fact that it is there won't change, but it's not actually a part of the continuing story at all, just a fun fork in the road )that you are also forced back off at the end).
Like I said before I think the major focus on what ifs and the giant gap between main releases to focus on them (regardless of what wwg said that they were only done in "free time") soured many peoples perceptions, mine included. Obviously one could argue that the delay between updates was worth it because of the drastic step up in quality and how wwg addressed many criticisms, including some I mentioned in my review. For instance the animation quality was drastically improved and there were none of those odd real time 3d delay trying to change facial expressions. But the perception alone that all that time was spent focusing on that instead of getting closer to some sort of conclusion to a game that's kind of getting long in the tooth (it is nearly 3 years old and the main girls (primarily ophelia tbh) still have some trepidation about engaging in certain acts that really aren't that far from where you now anyway, the cats out of the bag) does have a long tail.

I admit being able to turn that shit off and it being in end states that reset you to the normal path, is certainly handled better than it could be though and I'm sure we've all seen far worse implementations. But the time spent on those in addition to how much teasing/blueballing/arguably padding(tip is in and BOOM a character shows up and stops you so you gotta do more events) you get in the normal path add up to why there is a bad perception of it. Not to mention in a lot of earlier chapters you can see a bit of a difference in quality between the scenes and again that adds to the notion it's got more of a focus even if the actual scene count favors the normal path.
 
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Like I said before I think the major focus on what ifs and the giant gap between main releases to focus on them (regardless of what wwg said that they were only done in "free time") soured many peoples perceptions, mine included.
There was no major focus on What Ifs, only the perceived focus of the audience. I'd like to set something right once and for all, the first time that there was a major gap between updates was the chapter BEFORE the What Ifs were a thing. It went from three months to five months because of the amount of content, an amount that has only increased with every new chapter. The What Ifs had no influence on that, because there weren't any.
 
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Like i said before I think the major focus on what ifs and the giant gap between main releases to focus on them (regardless of what wwg said that they were only done in "free time") soured many peoples perceptions, mine included. Obviously one could argue that the delay between updates was worth it because of the drastic step up in quality.
You can't even argue that the delays were because of what ifs, because the time between updates became what it is now before what ifs started.

Going from CH 6 to CH 7 is when we got the first big increase in development time, it's also when we got the first Sex scene that forever changed the quality of sex scenes.

see here for more info.

https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-10-beta-what-if-vol-1-6-what-why-games.36240/post-7467236

and see here me already debating someone about this

https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-10-beta-what-if-vol-1-6-what-why-games.36240/post-7648114
with another follow up post 2 post down from that one.

You can want it with all your heart that WWG is sacrificing main game development time for what ifs, but you need to accept reality sometimes. Game takes longer to update because There are more renders, There are more animations and animations are STILL getting better every update. Not to mention little techs he does to enhance a scene like colors, god-rays, etc to make a scene more lifelike then other devs. imagine people shitting on this dev for working so hard, but people who get the game for free are acting entitled.
 

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I guess I should probably added the disclaimers earlier in the post cause I did make it clear I meant the perception that the time was dedicated to that instead of main releases or content to tide people over between major releases, but maybe I didn't.

perception is reality and all that.

(“Perception is merely a lens or mindset from which we view people, events, and things.”

In other words, we believe what we perceive to be accurate, and we create our own realities based on those perceptions. And although our perceptions feel very real, that doesn’t mean they’re necessarily factual.)
 
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