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He must feel very special.Good for you champ
"Do you know who I am? Let me speak to your
He must feel very special.Good for you champ
It's not a blanket rule. It was bought in for those like ICSTOR who kept payments on and made a patreon post every 6 months saying it was being worked on.Well tomorrow I will report this being over 18 months since last update and it should get the abandoned tag.
This didn't age well.It's not a blanket rule. It was bought in for those like ICSTOR who kept payments on and made a patreon post every 6 months saying it was being worked on.
It is in this case, but let's be honest: 18 months without releasing any new content is a quite sensible period to call a game out, no matter what the dev says. As long as it's enforced consistently, as it is, and the tag is removed as soon as something actually comes out, I'm OK with the rule, even though it means that every once in a while some games get this 'unfair' treatment.Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a huge difference between the concept of abandoned, which means the game is no longer developed and on-hold, which means the game is still developed, but no one knows when the update will be released.
So I wonder, is abandoned the right tag? To me no, because it is really misleading.
Rules are rules.There was an open update post a couple of hours ago. Anyway what do you care? Your money isn't on the line and you obviously don't like the game
I think most of us are just kind of rolling our eyes about it because you care and most of us don't. The "Abandoned" tag will be up for a bit and then it won't, that's all. You do you though, Champ.Rules are rules.
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But I get it that loyal followers don't want to go by the rules.
I don't share your fear that this game isn't going to be completed, but I also agree that something Notty needs is (as someone commented on her latest Patreon post) a producer/editor to drag her by the scruff of the neck and say "it's good enough; it's done!"...
But this is what I was afraid of happening a while back, she's too much of a perfectionist for this game to be completed. Once developers start reworking stuff and taking a really long time between updates, I don't think I've ever seen a one recover and go back to regular updates or complete their game.
I'm not sure that it will happen, and I talk about the "maybe I should", not about people telling her "no" ; or, more precisely, I'm almost sure that she will have those "maybe" thoughts, but they'll probably just stay thoughts, like it was before the car crash. This simply because it's something that she always had. Replacing Becca/Jane tutorials by in-game content, it's been more than two years (from memory) that she talk about it. Improving the VR, she never was satisfied by it. And so on.But after Chapter Five comes out, if Notty starts to glance backwards and say "maybe I should update the earlier chapters to include these new gizmos I've just thought of..." that's the point where I think some of us loyal fans will have to kindly tell her "no. Stop."
What if is this the(I actually wished she'd design it more to her actual physical likeness)
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The last two updates have made me think that a lot of this game is style over substance. 4 chapters in and it still feels like we are in the prologue. Even if you find that to be exaggerated, you have to agree that the plot is still in it's early stages. Do we really need a billiards mini game when that's the case?Notty isn't milking or doing anything like that, does she even take payments? And this game isn't abandoned either.
But this is what I was afraid of happening a while back, she's too much of a perfectionist for this game to be completed. Once developers start reworking stuff and taking a really long time between updates, I don't think I've ever seen a one recover and go back to regular updates or complete their game.
So there was 8 months of milking.I cannot answer for what you've seen happen to "other devs", but in my experience the ones who get roasted are still taking payments, despite not producing anything. Therefore "milking" is an appropriate accusation.
This dev stopped taking payments more than 10 months back, so there is no milking here.
Perhaps that's why people don't mind waiting, because it's not (unjustifiably) costing them anything to do so?
Perhaps people just enjoyed what they played so far & are happy to wait for the dev to produce it to the standards they want?![]()
If you say so, hero.So there was 8 months of milking.
I totally agree... because that's just how it's supposed to be. The story itself is planned out so that the canon main story last 10 chapters. Of course, playing only 4 leaves you thinking that things are still at a starting point since we are precisely at that point: you have arrived at the station, met the crew, and started looking around to fix what's broken, which is not an obvious fault (if it were, you wouldn't have been tasked to go there to begin with); meanwhile, you also start to know some secrets regarding the station and the crew. So yeah, it's the intro stage.The last two updates have made me think that a lot of this game is style over substance. 4 chapters in and it still feels like we are in the prologue. Even if you find that to be exaggerated, you have to agree that the plot is still in it's early stages.
But that's exactly the point of this game. Do we need the billiards minigame? Probably not, but that's a dev's choice, her artistic view. Surely that scene could have been designed as a simple menu choice and it would have saved the dev lots of time, but then it wouldn't be the game she had envisioned. Do we need the videogame inside the videogame, or the tabletop RPG game, taking all that time and effort from the dev? She thinks she needs it, and we only can join in for the ride or walk away if this is not how we like our games. Because she's not going to change - and why should she?Do we really need a billiards mini game when that's the case?
Obviously, developing all of the game's multiple paths at once means that a single playthrough feels short and things don't seem to advance enough to make them fun (at least for you). But you'd also have to agree that, due to this design and how she implements it (see above) there's a fuckton of content already available for those players who actually like to play a game multiple times because that's precisely what they think it's fun. And there's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, it's simply enjoying a different playstyle.The updates already feel stretched thin anyway. If you don't want to play this multiple times, you'll find the game to be pretty short on a single playthrough. And you shouldn't have to play a game multiple times for it to be fun. It should be fun separately on every one of them separately if replayability is what the dev is going for.
Just wanted to reply that I expect you're totally right about this. I also don't think that Notty's going to have another full makeover of the game before it's all out.I'm not sure that it will happen, and I talk about the "maybe I should", not about people telling her "no" ; or, more precisely, I'm almost sure that she will have those "maybe" thoughts, but they'll probably just stay thoughts, like it was before the car crash. This simply because it's something that she always had. Replacing Becca/Jane tutorials by in-game content, it's been more than two years (from memory) that she talk about it. Improving the VR, she never was satisfied by it. And so on.
But, like you implied, without the car crash this would never have happened ; or at least not before she finished the game and decide to make a "deLuxe edition". She was regularly talking about this on her Patreon post, on her forum, and few times on twitter, but it's only because for some times she wasn't able to do much more than thinking, that it became a reality ; some kind of, "well, since I can't really works on the game, let's take a look at all those 'maybe I should' that I've accumulated, and see where they lead me", that she always reported before by lack of time.
And like the said car crash make her totally miss the delay, why not go full course ? She's late and she know it, she can't be more late anymore, so at least she want to make it worth it.
It's a thriller-like story, except that in place of having a murder as starting point, it's a space station having strange issues. And like with any thriller, the prologue ended the instant MC was put on the case, therefore here when (s)he boarded the Vanguard. Everything that follow is the investigation, with its unrelated mysteries, false leads, usual and unusual suspects, and so on.The last two updates have made me think that a lot of this game is style over substance. 4 chapters in and it still feels like we are in the prologue. Even if you find that to be exaggerated, you have to agree that the plot is still in it's early stages.
Being one of the people in the constant chat, seeing how it goes, I will say that IF she has another idea like that, she will do it the same way as before, she will talk about the idea with her supporters, get some feedback, if they are curious about it then she will do some test examples, and IF her supporters approve the change, then she will work it in.Just wanted to reply that I expect you're totally right about this. I also don't think that Notty's going to have another full makeover of the game before it's all out.
lol You just reminded me of those old Fighting Fantasy books (I think back in the '80's) where you had to choose a page number, depending on which story choice you made, to progress.Each time you have to make a choice, it's Notty asking you "ok, about what should I write next ?", and you answering what you want the story to be about.