Ren'Py Abandoned Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[NeimadFR]

Aye, just a word. I meant Porn is the most important part of porn games. I didn't mean it was the only important one.
Just like you, if I only wanted porn, I would just watch porn. What I meant is, if there isn't porn, it isn't a porn game. That's all.

Still, there is nothing to disagree at all here. I just have my tastes, everyone has his or hers and there is actually nothing to argue about that. We can only state them or not (provided it's done respectfully ofc).

In this game; as the story is starting, it feels only natural that there would be little sex yet within the main Routes. That doesn't mean a sexually active adult, won't have any One Night affairs, or quickies, or whatever. Yes, it's additionnal work, so it might not be a good idea in terms of development length. But in terms of development logic, it sure would help players to wait less agitatedly.

I must say it's refreshing to see someone who understand that we all have our own tastes and doesn't try to shove their tastes in everyones face. On the subject of one night stand and quickies they are actually there in the game on some routes, namely Annie and Trisha. I don't really see any other girls for which it could work as it stands given their personalities.

 

[ItzSpc]

No one?
Do you have evidence for this assertion or are you just projecting your own experience upon the rest of us?

Let's not pretend that F95 is something that it's not. It's a pirate site for pornographic/hentai games.
This isn't a site that attracts aspiring/upcoming novelists.

 

[kinkyshin]

Let's not pretend that F95 is something that it's not. It's a pirate site for pornographic/hentai games.
This isn't a site that attracts aspiring/upcoming novelists.

1) No one even insinuated that this wasn't a pirate site for pornographic/hentai games. I don't see how this relates to his comment at all.
2) You don't have to be an aspiring novelist to enjoy a good story.
3) Novels aren't the only medium for well written fiction. There's plenty of game developers (and aspiring game developers) on here that want to write a great story for their erotic VN/video game.

 

[TheDevian]

1) No one even insinuated that this wasn't a pirate site for pornographic/hentai games. I don't see how this relates to his comment at all.
2) You don't have to be an aspiring novelist to enjoy a good story.
3) Novels aren't the only medium for well written fiction. There's plenty of game developers (and aspiring game developers) on here that want to write a great story for their erotic VN/video game.

If this site were here only for porn, there would not be a tag for [No Sexual Content].
H5 was always an adult oriented game, that has some sex in it (if you choose it).

 

[ItzSpc]

1) No one even insinuated that this wasn't a pirate site for pornographic/hentai games. I don't see how this relates to his comment at all.
2) You don't have to be an aspiring novelist to enjoy a good story.
3) Novels aren't the only medium for well written fiction. There's plenty of game developers (and aspiring game developers) on here that want to write a great story for their erotic VN/video game.

I'm not saying that no one here doesn't enjoy a good story, I already stated that for me MGQ holds the mantle for best story in a hentai game. What I'm saying is that F95 is not the place to be if story telling is what a developer cares about most. i.e HeavyFive is not of the same story quality as The Last of Us.

So if Notty wants to be a writer of that caliber, then this is not the place, nor the audience to do that. In all honesty, if that's what she wants/values in her work then her best strategy would be to forgo pornographic material in its entirety because it would never make it in the mainstream, and no reputable company would hire a writer who can only source pornographic material as their work.

 

[Dragon59]

Aye, just a word. I meant Porn is the most important part of porn games. I didn't mean it was the only important one.
Just like you, if I only wanted porn, I would just watch porn. What I meant is, if there isn't porn, it isn't a porn game. That's all.

The thing is, I would hesitate to call many of the AVNs here "porn games." At least the ones I've enjoyed.

Since they are called Adult Visual Novels, I consider them to be VNs with adult themes. That usually means some level of erotic or sexual content, but there's a lot more to an adult novel than sex.

 

[Huitieme]

So if Notty wants to be a writer of that caliber, then this is not the place, nor the audience to do that.

Which is maybe why she's not in this place talking to this audience anymore?

 

[ItzSpc]

Which is maybe why she's not in this place talking to this audience anymore?

You left out the part where I mentioned she'd have to drop the pornographic content too.

 

[Idontplay]

Maybe someone should talk only for himself, because there are people who loves what Notty is trying to do; even here.

 

[Kagarus]

I'm not saying that no one here doesn't enjoy a good story, I already stated that for me MGQ holds the mantle for best story in a hentai game. What I'm saying is that F95 is not the place to be if story telling is what a developer cares about most. i.e HeavyFive is not of the same story quality as The Last of Us.

So if Notty wants to be a writer of that caliber, then this is not the place, nor the audience to do that. In all honesty, if that's what she wants/values in her work then her best strategy would be to forgo pornographic material in its entirety because it would never make it in the mainstream, and no reputable company would hire a writer who can only source pornographic material as their work.

You're mistaking presentation for story telling, and even worse, mistaking story telling for "wanting to become a writer recognized by the mainstream/society at large".
And worst of all, all of this in defense of the statement "no one browses F95 for the plot". Which people are (hi). Just take the L, and I dunno, call all of us uncivilized uncultured idiots who think video game writing is good, or porn video game writing is good, or something, it's getting embarrassing even third-hand.

 

[manominouslyme]

The thing is, I would hesitate to call many of the AVNs here "porn games." At least the ones I've enjoyed.

Since they are called Adult Visual Novels, I consider them to be VNs with adult themes. That usually means some level of erotic or sexual content, but there's a lot more to an adult novel than sex.

I see your point. Actually, I'd call this one a Story Oriented Point'n'click Porn Game, to be precise.

It is hard to find games that cater to my kink that do not include things that turn me off, so to be perfectly honest, most of the games I play here are either for testing, or story.

Many games here that I have played, I just skip through the sex to get to the story because it bores me.

I can relate to that as many AVN/Porn/Erotic games tend to have terrible stories or stories that start well, but turn out short on any other aspects than sex in the end, which cannot compete with actual porn in terms of motion. And ofc there is the Grind+Repeat etc, which becomes rapidly boring in most of them.

I'd say the story on this one starts very well for me. It just lacks kinks for now. But it's not based on Grind, which tells a lot.

I must say it's refreshing to see someone who understands that we all have our own tastes and doesn't try to shove their tastes in everyones face. On the subject of one night stand and quickies they are actually there in the game on some routes, namely Annie and Trisha. I don't really see any other girls for which it could work as it stands given their personalities.

If it's refreshing, it's a bit sad. Because there are already many reasons to be angry at life everywhere, nowadays. Adding even more isn't helping. I do understand the exasperation that sometimes bursts in everyone though. It's easy to slip into the Grumpy Zone.

I would have guessed Sarah and Trisha. but I'm biaised as Annie is to me the most interesting of the ship's crew. So I'd go for the love interest route with her. But yes, there is the "reasoning" option with her, you're right.

 

[manominouslyme]

I'm not saying that no one here doesn't enjoy a good story, I already stated that for me MGQ holds the mantle for best story in a hentai game. What I'm saying is that F95 is not the place to be if story telling is what a developer cares about most. i.e HeavyFive is not of the same story quality as The Last of Us.

So if Notty wants to be a writer of that caliber, then this is not the place, nor the audience to do that. In all honesty, if that's what she wants/values in her work then her best strategy would be to forgo pornographic material in its entirety because it would never make it in the mainstream, and no reputable company would hire a writer who can only source pornographic material as their work.

Well,
It seems a bit early to evaluate Notty's talent. It's a WiP, after all.

As for authors of "that caliber" who go for mainstream and not porn, Mmmmh... Oscar Wilde ? Guillaume Appolinaire ? Le Marquis de Sade ? Anaïs Nin ? Do those names ring a bell ? Go read their porn. Many, many talented authors used to write porn under an alias. Some for the thrill of it. Others because before they could live from their litterature, they had to feed, and porn is a quick and easy way to do so.

As for "strategies"... It's an argument that seem rational but why not let her try it her way and see what happens ? Who knows ? It might lead to something, eventually.

 

[sdibolcrif]

Does Chris' first JOI session ever actually end without actually clicking Orgasm?

Would still like to know this... would be nice if there was a way to finish it without failing the challenge

 

[ItzSpc]

Well,
It seems a bit early to evaluate Notty's talent. It's a WiP, after all.

As for authors of "that caliber" who go for mainstream and not porn, Mmmmh... Oscar Wilde ? Guillaume Appolinaire ? Le Marquis de Sade ? Anaïs Nin ? Do those names ring a bell ? Go read their porn. Many, many talented authors used to write porn under an alias. Some for the thrill of it. Others because before they could live from their litterature, they had to feed, and porn is a quick and easy way to do so.

As for "strategies"... It's an argument that seem rational but why not let her try it her way and see what happens ? Who knows ? It might lead to something, eventually.

Fair points you made there.

 

[Dragon59]

Well,
It seems a bit early to evaluate Notty's talent. It's a WiP, after all.

As for authors of "that caliber" who go for mainstream and not porn, Mmmmh... Oscar Wilde ? Guillaume Appolinaire ? Le Marquis de Sade ? Anaïs Nin ? Do those names ring a bell ? Go read their porn. Many, many talented authors used to write porn under an alias. Some for the thrill of it. Others because before they could live from their litterature, they had to feed, and porn is a quick and easy way to do so.

As for "strategies"... It's an argument that seem rational but why not let her try it her way and see what happens ? Who knows ? It might lead to something, eventually.

Anne Rice's "Sleeping Beauty" series under the pseudonym A. N. Roquelaure would be a great example of an author who wrote BDSM erotica under a different name.

 

[a1fox3]

What is the point of this game/VN, you do 2 things and the day is over and a new chapter starts.
You talk to 2 npc's and the day is over and a new chapter starts, WTF.
You don't get time to work on any of the girls at all so what the fuck is the point.
Already on the 3rd day and nothing but nothing to do other than choose 2 options or talk to 2 npc's and the day is over.
Oh well just skip the time and shut down the station.

I hate games/VN that you must use a fucking walkthrough to get any action.

No wonder its been almost 18 months since the last update.

 

[STNeish]

What is the point of this game/VN, you do 2 things and the day is over and a new chapter starts.
You talk to 2 npc's and the day is over and a new chapter starts, WTF.
You don't get time to work on any of the girls at all so what the fuck is the point.
Already on the 3rd day and nothing but nothing to do other than choose 2 options or talk to 2 npc's and the day is over.
Oh well just skip the time and shut down the station.

I hate games/VN that you must use a fucking walkthrough to get any action.

No wonder its been almost 18 months since the last update.

I understand what you're saying... and I feel that way too, sometimes. It's frustrating to have to do the whole game over and over again to try different routes because you can't possibly do everything. However, it's also nice that you have to THINK a bit, and prioritize your actions, that your choices have some meaning.

So, I can see both sides.

As for the long delay, there's been a lot of remastering going on, and a car accident that delayed the work. As I said before, we're in no position to make any demands on anyone when they're giving us something wonderful, doing a lot of work, for nothing more than the enjoyment of doing so.

 

[a1fox3]

I understand what you're saying... and I feel that way too, sometimes. It's frustrating to have to do the whole game over and over again to try different routes because you can't possibly do everything. However, it's also nice that you have to THINK a bit, and prioritize your actions, that your choices have some meaning.

So, I can see both sides.

As for the long delay, there's been a lot of remastering going on, and a car accident that delayed the work. As I said before, we're in no position to make any demands on anyone when they're giving us something wonderful, doing a lot of work, for nothing more than the enjoyment of doing so.

4 years and only about 3 hours of game play maybe double that with a walkthrough, this is nothing but milking.
In 15 days it will get the abandoned tag for no update in over 18 months.

There is about the same time given to the npc's in between the chapters as there is game play and to me is just a wast of time, nothing they said made any different in game play.

Over 6 Gb download with very little content.

 

[Hullahopp]

4 years and only about 3 hours of game play maybe double that with a walkthrough, this is nothing but milking.
In 15 days it will get the abandoned tag for no update in over 18 months.

There is about the same time given to the npc's in between the chapters as there is game play and to me is just a wast of time, nothing they said made any different in game play.

Over 6 Gb download with very little content.

Look, it's Saturday night, I'm tired, and I have more meaningful things to do than play troll whisperer. We've already explained once why it's not milking. I get that you love the game, but your childish self wants the reassuring voice of an authority figure to assure you that everything will be okay. We can't provide that. So be hard and don't download the game for free.
You can do it!

 

[whichone]

this is nothing but milking.

Patreon payments have been on pause since, at least, September & will not be activated again until Chapter Five is ready.
If no-one is paying, then it's pretty clear that no-one is being "milked".

It's literally impossible to "milk" someone, without taking money from them by exploitation, or fraudulent activity.
Openly informing patrons of what is occurring means there is no exploitation, or fraud.
Pausing payments means no money is being taken.
= not milking, by literal definition of the term.

I know, it's a standard slur thrown at devs who take a long time & sometimes it's true.
But it's blatantly, obviously, not true, here.