Ren'Py Abandoned Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[Udayana]

hi

Hello.

 

[whichone]

Sure, but no one browses F95 for the plot or puzzle games. There are other websites for such games.

No one?
Do you have evidence for this assertion or are you just projecting your own experience upon the rest of us?

I am living proof that "someone" does look for games which have more plot, than sexual content.
So "no one" is proven utterly wrong, by just one person with a different pov.
I also know plenty of others on this site who feel the same.

Not always, mind. Sometimes I just want to have a laugh with a fuckfest game & plot is not most important, to those.
Plot is still necessary, though. I want some form of premise for why I'm doing what I'm doing. Otherwise it's just mindless rutting, I may as well just watch a video.
But something I'm going to invest in (emotionally, time, financially), I want it to have an engaging story & interesting characters, not just (yet another) sex scene.

I enjoy this game specifically because it fulfills the latter.

The thing is, I would hesitate to call many of the AVNs here "porn games." At least the ones I've enjoyed.

Well, in order to be "porn" there needs to be no reason for the sex, other than arousal.
A number of the games here have stories which would still be engaging, if the sex was not there.
A lot of them are written so that the sex is actually part of character devlopment.
Ergo - not porn, by literal definition.

As for authors of "that caliber" who go for mainstream and not porn, Mmmmh... Oscar Wilde ? Guillaume Appolinaire ? Le Marquis de Sade ? Anaïs Nin ? Do those names ring a bell ?

lol So true!
Terry Southern (Candy), Roald Dahl (Switch Bitch), Fran Lebowitz (House of Leather, The Headmaster’s Mistress), D.H. Lawrence (Lady Chatterley's Lover), Diane di Prima (Love on a Trampoline, Banned in Hollywood, Memoirs of a Beatnik)...
All wrote erotica.

 

[Dragon59]

I am living proof that "someone" does look for games which have more plot, than sexual content.
So "no one" is proven utterly wrong, by just one person with a different pov.
I also know plenty of others on this site who feel the same.

In retrospect, perhaps he wasn't saying that none of us look for games which have more plot. Perhaps he was declaring that Arya Stark does so.

Seriously, thank you for your perspective.

I may be presenting an overly broad generalization, but in my experience, those of us who are..."Elder Connoisseurs," tend to go for the more plot-driven selections.

Well, in order to be "porn" there needs to be no reason for the sex, other than arousal.
A number of the games here have stories which would still be engaging, if the sex was not there.
A lot of them are written so that the sex is actually part of character devlopment.
Ergo - not porn, by literal definition.

Good point, the old "prurient interest" definition of obscenity.

There are a few story ideas I have built around sex, but to be honest, the one I'm currently working on doesn't depend upon it. I'll probably create both versions so that I can share my work with my 13 year old granddaughter.

lol So true!
Terry Southern (Candy), Roald Dahl (Switch Bitch), Fran Lebowitz (House of Leather, The Headmaster’s Mistress), D.H. Lawrence (Lady Chatterley's Lover), Diane di Prima (Love on a Trampoline, Banned in Hollywood, Memoirs of a Beatnik)...
All wrote erotica.

The list goes on. Sort of undermines the statement before about respectable writers.

 

[manominouslyme]

Sex doesn't need reasons, in porn, but it feels better when there is. It makes the arousal build-up way more satisfying.

As for potential milking ? I don't see it.
- no grind mechanics to artificially delay endings
- it's a point'n'click and not just a slider (way more time to code as I surmise, hence : more work, and bug risks)
- I feel a real care about the writing, with characters that are not all of them Cheesy HumpOnIt's.
- you can fail achieving anything within the game (which, almost systematically leads to customer attrition after a variable amount of time)

Plus, if the author suspended subs, she's not in only for the money and shows respect to her customers in a way that goes beyond those unconsequential smooth words we probably all have heard countless times, from every cheap salesman, when there is a problem, whatever the Company at fault.

So no : no milking. Just a problematic development, and some mishaps (for me) within the structure of the storytelling.

 

[manominouslyme]

The list goes on. Sort of undermines the statement before about respectable writers.

Let's just burry it even further : the mainstream "Majors" are basically hypocritical about sex content. How many "mainstream" shows revolve around sex and/or graphic depictions of adult sentimental relationships - or use it as a sales argument ? The list is even longer, not to say properly endless. The mainstream media industry funds steamy projects every year, regularly doing more than just toe with the "Explicit" line. Films, tv shows. Even some AAA video games put the cherry on top with it (I can think of four major licences in that matter, recent ones ).

 

[whichone]

Plus, if the author suspended subs, she's not in only for the money and shows respect to her customers in a way that goes beyond those unconsequential smooth words we probably all have heard countless times, from every cheap salesman, when there is a problem, whatever the Company at fault.

Since September, too!
Won't be taking further payments until Chapter 5 is finished.
It's not an opinion that the dev's not milking.
It's an absolute, literal fact.

The list goes on. Sort of undermines the statement before about respectable writers.

Replace "sort of undermines", with "completely disproves" & we're in full agreement.

Perhaps he was declaring that Arya Stark does so.

 

[moskyx]

Since September, too!
Won't be taking further payments until Chapter 5 is finished.
It's not an opinion that the dev's not milking.
It's an absolute, literal fact.

Replace "sort of undermines", with "completely disproves" & we're in full agreement.

Last charge was back in April 2022

 

[Dragon59]

Let's just burry it even further : the mainstream "Majors" are basically hypocritical about sex content. How many "mainstream" shows revolve around sex and/or graphic depictions of adult sentimental relationships - or use it as a sales argument ? The list is even longer, not to say properly endless. The mainstream media industry funds steamy projects every year, regularly doing more than just toe with the "Explicit" line. Films, tv shows. Even some AAA video games put the cherry on top with it (I can think of four major licences in that matter, recent ones ).

Yeah, there is a certain respect for French filmmakers, who are not afraid to include explicit sex when they feel the story justifies it.

 

[manominouslyme]

I'd not limit it to France. Scandinavians have made some very real mixes of litteral porn and social or psychological issue dramas, using porn as a mean for realistic cinema more than once (the Dogma 95 Manifest, Von Trier, Vinterberg...).

 

[Dragon59]

I'd not limit it to France. Scandinavians have made some very real mixes of litteral porn and social or psychological issue dramas, using porn as a mean for realistic cinema more than once (the Dogma 95 Manifest, Von Trier, Vinterberg...).

Of course, we had the infamous (in the US) Swedish films, I am Curious Blue and I am Curious Yellow. I finally saw them on the Criterion channel a few years ago. Only a few depictions of realistic sex (no extreme closeups), and I seriously wondered, which upset the censors more, the sex and nudity, or the frank discussions praising Democratic Socialism.

I haven't come across as many Scandinavian films (compared to French). I'll have to see what I can find. I'm already looking at information about Dogme 95 Manifesto. I've seen one of Lars Von Trier's films, Nymphomaniac. I'll look at his others. I don't know if I've seen any films by Thomas Vinterberg (yet).

Thank you!

 

[manominouslyme]

Let's just say that Lars Von Trier tends to be a tad provocative, not always in good taste.
Nymphomaniac and The Idiots are the two movies I was thinking about

 

[KovskyAnker]

this is nothing but milking.
In 15 days it will get the abandoned tag for no update in over 18 months.

No. That would be WVM by Braindrop.

Progress on the game continues apace. Chapter 1 is done almost?

You must be registered to see the links

Last one on the video testing (I know, I know, it's dull - but it is important to me that everyone will be able to play this as good and smooth graphics as poss). It's been tested down to a machine running on Windows 7. So if it runs on that....it'll run smoothly on anything.

 

[Dragon59]

Well tomorrow I will report this being over 18 months since last update and it should get the abandoned tag.

Why are you trying to be such a Karen?

 

[Huitieme]

Well tomorrow I will report this being over 18 months since last update and it should get the abandoned tag.

Good for you champ

 

[Dragon59]

Good for you champ

He must feel very special.
"Do you know who I am? Let me speak to your manager moderator!"

 

[Krynh]

Well tomorrow I will report this being over 18 months since last update and it should get the abandoned tag.

It's not a blanket rule. It was bought in for those like ICSTOR who kept payments on and made a patreon post every 6 months saying it was being worked on.

 

[ItzSpc]

It's not a blanket rule. It was bought in for those like ICSTOR who kept payments on and made a patreon post every 6 months saying it was being worked on.

This didn't age well.

 

[Idontplay]

Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a huge difference between the concept of abandoned, which means the game is no longer developed and on-hold, which means the game is still developed, but no one knows when the update will be released.
So I wonder, is abandoned the right tag? To me no, because it is really misleading.

 

[moskyx]

Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a huge difference between the concept of abandoned, which means the game is no longer developed and on-hold, which means the game is still developed, but no one knows when the update will be released.
So I wonder, is abandoned the right tag? To me no, because it is really misleading.

It is in this case, but let's be honest: 18 months without releasing any new content is a quite sensible period to call a game out, no matter what the dev says. As long as it's enforced consistently, as it is, and the tag is removed as soon as something actually comes out, I'm OK with the rule, even though it means that every once in a while some games get this 'unfair' treatment.

 

[a1fox3]

There was an open update post a couple of hours ago. Anyway what do you care? Your money isn't on the line and you obviously don't like the game

Rules are rules.
Abandoned tag will be applied to games/VN's when:
1. No contact from the dev either on here or there main site for more than 90 days.
2. Regardless of post from dev's if no game/VN update in 18 months then the abandoned tag goes up until an update to the game or VN comes out.
95% of all mods follow this set of rules and so should all on here.
But I get it that loyal followers don't want to go by the rules.