Ren'Py Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[Dragon59]

Well,
It seems a bit early to evaluate Notty's talent. It's a WiP, after all.

As for authors of "that caliber" who go for mainstream and not porn, Mmmmh... Oscar Wilde ? Guillaume Appolinaire ? Le Marquis de Sade ? Anaïs Nin ? Do those names ring a bell ? Go read their porn. Many, many talented authors used to write porn under an alias. Some for the thrill of it. Others because before they could live from their litterature, they had to feed, and porn is a quick and easy way to do so.

As for "strategies"... It's an argument that seem rational but why not let her try it her way and see what happens ? Who knows ? It might lead to something, eventually.

Anne Rice's "Sleeping Beauty" series under the pseudonym A. N. Roquelaure would be a great example of an author who wrote BDSM erotica under a different name.

 

[a1fox3]

What is the point of this game/VN, you do 2 things and the day is over and a new chapter starts.
You talk to 2 npc's and the day is over and a new chapter starts, WTF.
You don't get time to work on any of the girls at all so what the fuck is the point.
Already on the 3rd day and nothing but nothing to do other than choose 2 options or talk to 2 npc's and the day is over.
Oh well just skip the time and shut down the station.

I hate games/VN that you must use a fucking walkthrough to get any action.

No wonder its been almost 18 months since the last update.

 

[STNeish]

What is the point of this game/VN, you do 2 things and the day is over and a new chapter starts.
You talk to 2 npc's and the day is over and a new chapter starts, WTF.
You don't get time to work on any of the girls at all so what the fuck is the point.
Already on the 3rd day and nothing but nothing to do other than choose 2 options or talk to 2 npc's and the day is over.
Oh well just skip the time and shut down the station.

I hate games/VN that you must use a fucking walkthrough to get any action.

No wonder its been almost 18 months since the last update.

I understand what you're saying... and I feel that way too, sometimes. It's frustrating to have to do the whole game over and over again to try different routes because you can't possibly do everything. However, it's also nice that you have to THINK a bit, and prioritize your actions, that your choices have some meaning.

So, I can see both sides.

As for the long delay, there's been a lot of remastering going on, and a car accident that delayed the work. As I said before, we're in no position to make any demands on anyone when they're giving us something wonderful, doing a lot of work, for nothing more than the enjoyment of doing so.

 

[a1fox3]

I understand what you're saying... and I feel that way too, sometimes. It's frustrating to have to do the whole game over and over again to try different routes because you can't possibly do everything. However, it's also nice that you have to THINK a bit, and prioritize your actions, that your choices have some meaning.

So, I can see both sides.

As for the long delay, there's been a lot of remastering going on, and a car accident that delayed the work. As I said before, we're in no position to make any demands on anyone when they're giving us something wonderful, doing a lot of work, for nothing more than the enjoyment of doing so.

4 years and only about 3 hours of game play maybe double that with a walkthrough, this is nothing but milking.
In 15 days it will get the abandoned tag for no update in over 18 months.

There is about the same time given to the npc's in between the chapters as there is game play and to me is just a wast of time, nothing they said made any different in game play.

Over 6 Gb download with very little content.

 

[Hullahopp]

4 years and only about 3 hours of game play maybe double that with a walkthrough, this is nothing but milking.
In 15 days it will get the abandoned tag for no update in over 18 months.

There is about the same time given to the npc's in between the chapters as there is game play and to me is just a wast of time, nothing they said made any different in game play.

Over 6 Gb download with very little content.

Look, it's Saturday night, I'm tired, and I have more meaningful things to do than play troll whisperer. We've already explained once why it's not milking. I get that you love the game, but your childish self wants the reassuring voice of an authority figure to assure you that everything will be okay. We can't provide that. So be hard and don't download the game for free.
You can do it!

 

[whichone]

this is nothing but milking.

Patreon payments have been on pause since, at least, September & will not be activated again until Chapter Five is ready.
If no-one is paying, then it's pretty clear that no-one is being "milked".

It's literally impossible to "milk" someone, without taking money from them by exploitation, or fraudulent activity.
Openly informing patrons of what is occurring means there is no exploitation, or fraud.
Pausing payments means no money is being taken.
= not milking, by literal definition of the term.

I know, it's a standard slur thrown at devs who take a long time & sometimes it's true.
But it's blatantly, obviously, not true, here.

 

[Udayana]

hi

Hello.

 

[whichone]

Sure, but no one browses F95 for the plot or puzzle games. There are other websites for such games.

No one?
Do you have evidence for this assertion or are you just projecting your own experience upon the rest of us?

I am living proof that "someone" does look for games which have more plot, than sexual content.
So "no one" is proven utterly wrong, by just one person with a different pov.
I also know plenty of others on this site who feel the same.

Not always, mind. Sometimes I just want to have a laugh with a fuckfest game & plot is not most important, to those.
Plot is still necessary, though. I want some form of premise for why I'm doing what I'm doing. Otherwise it's just mindless rutting, I may as well just watch a video.
But something I'm going to invest in (emotionally, time, financially), I want it to have an engaging story & interesting characters, not just (yet another) sex scene.

I enjoy this game specifically because it fulfills the latter.

The thing is, I would hesitate to call many of the AVNs here "porn games." At least the ones I've enjoyed.

Well, in order to be "porn" there needs to be no reason for the sex, other than arousal.
A number of the games here have stories which would still be engaging, if the sex was not there.
A lot of them are written so that the sex is actually part of character devlopment.
Ergo - not porn, by literal definition.

As for authors of "that caliber" who go for mainstream and not porn, Mmmmh... Oscar Wilde ? Guillaume Appolinaire ? Le Marquis de Sade ? Anaïs Nin ? Do those names ring a bell ?

lol So true!
Terry Southern (Candy), Roald Dahl (Switch Bitch), Fran Lebowitz (House of Leather, The Headmaster’s Mistress), D.H. Lawrence (Lady Chatterley's Lover), Diane di Prima (Love on a Trampoline, Banned in Hollywood, Memoirs of a Beatnik)...
All wrote erotica.

 

[Dragon59]

I am living proof that "someone" does look for games which have more plot, than sexual content.
So "no one" is proven utterly wrong, by just one person with a different pov.
I also know plenty of others on this site who feel the same.

In retrospect, perhaps he wasn't saying that none of us look for games which have more plot. Perhaps he was declaring that Arya Stark does so.

Seriously, thank you for your perspective.

I may be presenting an overly broad generalization, but in my experience, those of us who are..."Elder Connoisseurs," tend to go for the more plot-driven selections.

Well, in order to be "porn" there needs to be no reason for the sex, other than arousal.
A number of the games here have stories which would still be engaging, if the sex was not there.
A lot of them are written so that the sex is actually part of character devlopment.
Ergo - not porn, by literal definition.

Good point, the old "prurient interest" definition of obscenity.

There are a few story ideas I have built around sex, but to be honest, the one I'm currently working on doesn't depend upon it. I'll probably create both versions so that I can share my work with my 13 year old granddaughter.

lol So true!
Terry Southern (Candy), Roald Dahl (Switch Bitch), Fran Lebowitz (House of Leather, The Headmaster’s Mistress), D.H. Lawrence (Lady Chatterley's Lover), Diane di Prima (Love on a Trampoline, Banned in Hollywood, Memoirs of a Beatnik)...
All wrote erotica.

The list goes on. Sort of undermines the statement before about respectable writers.

 

[manominouslyme]

Sex doesn't need reasons, in porn, but it feels better when there is. It makes the arousal build-up way more satisfying.

As for potential milking ? I don't see it.
- no grind mechanics to artificially delay endings
- it's a point'n'click and not just a slider (way more time to code as I surmise, hence : more work, and bug risks)
- I feel a real care about the writing, with characters that are not all of them Cheesy HumpOnIt's.
- you can fail achieving anything within the game (which, almost systematically leads to customer attrition after a variable amount of time)

Plus, if the author suspended subs, she's not in only for the money and shows respect to her customers in a way that goes beyond those unconsequential smooth words we probably all have heard countless times, from every cheap salesman, when there is a problem, whatever the Company at fault.

So no : no milking. Just a problematic development, and some mishaps (for me) within the structure of the storytelling.

 

[manominouslyme]

The list goes on. Sort of undermines the statement before about respectable writers.

Let's just burry it even further : the mainstream "Majors" are basically hypocritical about sex content. How many "mainstream" shows revolve around sex and/or graphic depictions of adult sentimental relationships - or use it as a sales argument ? The list is even longer, not to say properly endless. The mainstream media industry funds steamy projects every year, regularly doing more than just toe with the "Explicit" line. Films, tv shows. Even some AAA video games put the cherry on top with it (I can think of four major licences in that matter, recent ones ).

 

[whichone]

Plus, if the author suspended subs, she's not in only for the money and shows respect to her customers in a way that goes beyond those unconsequential smooth words we probably all have heard countless times, from every cheap salesman, when there is a problem, whatever the Company at fault.

Since September, too!
Won't be taking further payments until Chapter 5 is finished.
It's not an opinion that the dev's not milking.
It's an absolute, literal fact.

The list goes on. Sort of undermines the statement before about respectable writers.

Replace "sort of undermines", with "completely disproves" & we're in full agreement.

Perhaps he was declaring that Arya Stark does so.

 

[moskyx]

Since September, too!
Won't be taking further payments until Chapter 5 is finished.
It's not an opinion that the dev's not milking.
It's an absolute, literal fact.

Replace "sort of undermines", with "completely disproves" & we're in full agreement.

Last charge was back in April 2022

 

[Dragon59]

Let's just burry it even further : the mainstream "Majors" are basically hypocritical about sex content. How many "mainstream" shows revolve around sex and/or graphic depictions of adult sentimental relationships - or use it as a sales argument ? The list is even longer, not to say properly endless. The mainstream media industry funds steamy projects every year, regularly doing more than just toe with the "Explicit" line. Films, tv shows. Even some AAA video games put the cherry on top with it (I can think of four major licences in that matter, recent ones ).

Yeah, there is a certain respect for French filmmakers, who are not afraid to include explicit sex when they feel the story justifies it.

 

[manominouslyme]

I'd not limit it to France. Scandinavians have made some very real mixes of litteral porn and social or psychological issue dramas, using porn as a mean for realistic cinema more than once (the Dogma 95 Manifest, Von Trier, Vinterberg...).

 

[Dragon59]

I'd not limit it to France. Scandinavians have made some very real mixes of litteral porn and social or psychological issue dramas, using porn as a mean for realistic cinema more than once (the Dogma 95 Manifest, Von Trier, Vinterberg...).

Of course, we had the infamous (in the US) Swedish films, I am Curious Blue and I am Curious Yellow. I finally saw them on the Criterion channel a few years ago. Only a few depictions of realistic sex (no extreme closeups), and I seriously wondered, which upset the censors more, the sex and nudity, or the frank discussions praising Democratic Socialism.

I haven't come across as many Scandinavian films (compared to French). I'll have to see what I can find. I'm already looking at information about Dogme 95 Manifesto. I've seen one of Lars Von Trier's films, Nymphomaniac. I'll look at his others. I don't know if I've seen any films by Thomas Vinterberg (yet).

Thank you!

 

[manominouslyme]

Let's just say that Lars Von Trier tends to be a tad provocative, not always in good taste.
Nymphomaniac and The Idiots are the two movies I was thinking about

 

[KovskyAnker]

this is nothing but milking.
In 15 days it will get the abandoned tag for no update in over 18 months.

No. That would be WVM by Braindrop.

Progress on the game continues apace. Chapter 1 is done almost?

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Last one on the video testing (I know, I know, it's dull - but it is important to me that everyone will be able to play this as good and smooth graphics as poss). It's been tested down to a machine running on Windows 7. So if it runs on that....it'll run smoothly on anything.

 

[Dragon59]

Well tomorrow I will report this being over 18 months since last update and it should get the abandoned tag.

Why are you trying to be such a Karen?

 

[Huitieme]

Well tomorrow I will report this being over 18 months since last update and it should get the abandoned tag.

Good for you champ