VN Ren'Py Abandoned A.O.A. Academy [Ch.5 Gold] [TLGGAMES]

[doe50818]

Honestly the darker themes and the abuse aren't really the issue. I don't even mind the slow burn aspect but the contrast between the different girls is just too violent. On one side, we have Ashley & Sung Ji whom for now have no story or issue beyond their insecurities and Vicky with her minor issue with the jackass and jealous brother. And on the other side, we have Jenny's group facing issue honestly far beyond MC's reach like dealing with a fucking mafia organisation and a Frank Underwood wannabe trying to destroy Jenny and MC's futur with money, blackmail and shady relation and who knows what the future holds with Rebekka and Jade. Ashley's group and their minor issues look like secondary characters totally irrelevant with the more important dark plots.

This whole Cartel storyline is too forced. It's ten times bigger than the whole drugs & prostitution ring, or religious jerk father in BADIK. Right now, the game's trying to be too many things at once. It's just feel like you're confronted with sad backstory on repeat without really getting any story with half of the others characters like Ashley's group. If we'll have to deal with every girl personal trauma one by one while Ashley, Sung Ji, Vicky and Elizabeth remain satellite characters it's gonna be quickly repetitive and frustrating.

Well, the darker themes and abuse really aren't the issue, playing the rape rebound guy for 1-2 girls is fine. Hell it was the entire theme of Avalon and it was fine. But for half a dozen? Pass...

 

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It's just feel like you're confronted with sad backstory on repeat without really getting any story with half of the others characters like Ashley's group. If we'll have to deal with every girl personal trauma one by one while Ashley, Sung Ji, Vicky and Elizabeth remain satellite characters it's gonna be quickly repetitive and frustrating.

I actually wrote something similar to this a couple pages back, anyone outside of jenny's group are kind of satellite love interests at this point.



Aurora's problems are kinda interesting ngl, it feels like a set up for a reverse notting hill situation, she's like a bad version of julia roberts' character that no one wants. But it's a shame she'll probably be put on a bus to make way for the ridiculous amount of love interest in this game.

 

[Deleted member 3428287]

It could work tho but judging from the way most people are reacting the beta version, I doubt it's working well.

I don't think his fanbase would appreciate that type of storytelling.

Pretty sure jenny is a fan favourite, something tells me lots of patrons will drop the game if that happens.

 

[seniorboop]

So unless the mc suddenly becomes Bryan Mills or John Wick I don't see how He/us the players are going to deal with this cartel business.

I think people are allowing themselves to be fooled into believing this cartel storyline has stakes.

No permanent harm will come to anyone that matters. At most, some recently introduced side character with minimal buy-in will be killed off for shock factor.

MC and the LIs have 12-inch thick plot armor. This is probably why the lack of progression with the LIs annoyed me so much, alongside the sudden personality changes.

People have to make a habit of seeing the forest for the trees.

 

[doe50818]

I don't think his fanbase would appreciate that type of storytelling.

Pretty sure jenny is a fan favourite, something tells me lots of patrons will drop the game if that happens.

Seriously, it should be exclusively Val's shtick and let the other characters damn be, just come up with better (i.e. more diverse) backstories for them and drop this "similar circumstances" dialogue from this beta.

 

[Deleted member 3428287]

just come up with better (i.e. more diverse) backstories for them and drop this "similar circumstances" dialogue from this beta.

i think maybe the "similar circumstances" aspect refers to something else other than rape, more like bad rep & inability to adapt to society.

Rebecca is ashamed of some embarrassing public event that ruined her career.
Valery is known as the girl who murdered her rapist uncle.
Jade was a prostitute so her rep was always shit, but i'm sure there's more to her than that.
Even Aurora has bad rep, everyone makes fun of her acting talents.

 

[tlarsen]

Seriously, it should be exclusively Val's shtick and let the other characters damn be, just come up with better (i.e. more diverse) backstories for them and drop this "similar circumstances" dialogue from this beta.

Well i'd say there are a couple differences there is Liz who from what we can tell had a thing with a Student a couple years before Vic Rebecca and Aurora have problems yes but so far i haven't really gotten the impression that it has anything to do with abuse at least not sexual so far the only ones we know for a fact has been raped/forced is Val and Jade yes there are perhaps hints with some of the others but there isn't anything like seeing Val on that bed nor like Jade going into detail about what happened to her

 

[doe50818]

i think maybe the "similar circumstances" aspect refers to something else other than rape, more like bad rep & inability to adapt to society.

Rebecca is ashamed of some embarrassing public event that ruined her career.
Valery is known as the girl who murdered her rapist uncle.
Jade was a prostitute so her rep was always shit, but i'm sure there's more to her than that.
Even Aurora has bad rep, everyone makes fun of her acting talents.

Jenny made the MC promise not to tell anyone after she divulged this new information. We already knew about Val and Jade, but if the "similar circumstances" would be this overt for the rest of them, the "similar circumstances" part wouldn't need to be kept secret. The hints for this commonality being sexual assault are all there. Especially for Jenny and Aurora.

 

[tlarsen]

i will agree that the whole Mc taking on a cratel thing is a bit much at least this early into the game but imo it does also make it its own thing other than the girls ofc

 

[Deleted member 3428287]

Jenny made the MC promise not to tell anyone after she divulged this new information.

Rebecca made the MC promise not to tell anyone about her past music career. No sexual abuse hint there, unless we make up shit & try to construct a narrative.

 

[Ahchi]

I think people are allowing themselves to be fooled into believing this cartel storyline has stakes.

No permanent harm will come to anyone that matters. At most, some recently introduced side character with minimal buy-in will be killed off for shock factor.

MC and the LIs have 12-inch thick plot armor. This is probably why the lack of progression with the LIs annoyed me so much, alongside the sudden personality changes.

People have to make a habit of seeing the forest for the trees.

That's a misquote,
It's about people NOT being able to see the forest because of the trees.
As for the MC or the LIs being safe; I would not be too sure about that.
Remember there IS a point in the Prologue where a choice will suddenly End the game !.

 

[doe50818]

Rebecca made the MC promise not to tell anyone about her past music career. No sexual abuse hint there, unless we make up shit & try to construct a narrative.

At least I'm not cherry-picking to build an argument. I'm looking at the whole picture. Care to explain Jenny? This deluded paranoid peasant would be much obliged.

 

[doe50818]

That's a misquote,
It's about people NOT being able to see the forest because of the trees.
As for the MC or the LIs being safe; I would not be too sure about that.
Remember there IS a point in the Prologue where a choice will suddenly End the game !.

Offing characters you haven't picked as love interests is nothing new, we've seen it in Acting Lessons, no reason why it shouldn't happen here.

 

[Deleted member 3428287]

At least I'm not cherry-picking to build an argument. I'm looking at the whole picture. Care to explain Jenny? This deluded paranoid peasant would be much obliged.

what am i cherry picking, valery's & jade's past has been hinted since 1st chapter, it was easy to guess from back then that valery was raped.

becky's & jenny's flashback didn't imply that they were raped.

From what I've seen from Jenny so far she is daydreaming about her days in the hospital, that's what traumatized her the most. Did the father come & rape her in the hospital?

 

[tlarsen]

what am i cherry picking, valery's & jade's past has been hinted since 1st chapter, it was easy to guess from back then that valery was raped.

becky's & jenny's flashback didn't imply that they were raped.

From what I've seen from Jenny so far she is daydreaming about her days in the hospital, that's what traumatized her the most. Did the father come & rape her in the hospital?

i don't think Jenny was raped at all if anything the reason she hesitates and why so many of the others girls do too is cause they don't feel like they deserve to be happy cause of their past whether if it's because of rape and being treated like shit like with Val and Jade or someone giving their life for you when you had already pretty much accepted you were going to die as with Jenny

 

[Ahchi]

From the clues in the dialogue,
Rebecca backstory could be:-
Rebecca had a relationship with person "X"
Person "X" had a relationship with person "Y"
(We do not know if Rebecca was aware of this relationship)
Person "Y" did not handle Rebecca's relationship with "X" well (May have self harmed)
(it is possible that Rebecca was close to person "Y".)

 

[Deleted member 3428287]

i don't think Jenny was raped at all if anything the reason she hesitates and why so many of the others girls do too is cause they don't feel like they deserve to be happy cause of their past whether if it's because of rape and being treated like shit like with Val and Jade or someone giving their life for you when you had already pretty much accepted you were going to die as with Jenny

I agree, IMO the common denominator between all the girls from Jenny's group is that none of them believe they deserve happiness cause of some shitty event that ruined their life.

I actually believe Jenny's story is about her tumor resurfacing & her attempt to live a meaningful life with someone she loves before eventually dying.

Her story would be ruined if it becomes about overcoming rape, also oddly enough Jenny told her brother not to talk shit about their father, bizarre stance to have in regards to someone that raped her.

 

[tlarsen]

I agree, IMO the common denominator between all the girls from Jenny's group is that none of them believe they deserve happiness cause of some shitty event that ruined their life.

I actually believe Jenny's story is about her tumor resurfacing & her attempt to live a meaningful life with someone she loves before eventually dying.

Her story would be ruined if it becomes about overcoming rape.

That would definitely be a sad twist for sure there is definitely a lot more she's not telling the Mc other than Dylan could be something about her cancer/tumor as you said or maybe something else related to her family

 

[Skankhunt 4 2 0]

Nice update
Thanks

 

[BGRW2020]

The game has had the harem tag until very recently idk why its been removed and if u use the multi mod to check points for the girls there is one called Ash love and one called Ash harem now i'm not saying that Ash for certain has issues but it would be kinda weird imo if she was the only one out of all the girls who didn't have any kind of issues with her past in the story at somepoint at least doesn't need to be something as crazy as Val ofc but all the girls seem to have some kind of emotional baggage they are dealing with or something that's bothering them with the exception of Sung and Ash for now

The only thing I can remember that Ashley was sad about was the MC telling her to leave from Old town and now that he is back she wanted him to re-kindle the relationship. Her mother was also reported to no have wanted her, these could be considered issues - maybe, but they are all resolved, maybe she was the first to have her issues resolved if you fall for her???