RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.5.8.7] [Chyos]

[Scratch_N_Sniff]

I think what I liked most about this game is reading all the 2 or 3 line, 5 star fake reviews... very entertaining

 

[Tommy7358]

Does anyone know a way to play through Hiba and Ayita's new love routes without starting a new game or have at least a full love route non NTR save up to the latest version? I've done their corruption routes because I thought that there wouldn't be a love routes for them anytime soon during 0.5.8.0b unlike Natasha and lo and behold the next couple of updates add them to the game...

I've already spent over 90+ hours and grinded like a madman during my playthrough for the more powerful weapons and armour. If the cheatbook included ALL the items I may have been tempted to just start again but the problem is that the cheatbook doesn't in fact have all the items and equipment, not even close.

 

[storm1051787]

And we keep telling you that the letter only enables STEPcest... Mira and you CAN (if THE PLAYER deliberately decide for it) have the same dad, but never the same mother.

It's what people call relationships between people only shareing partly the same relatives.
Be it by being remarried or one parent haveing more kids with someone else than a kids parent, etc.
An Internet term most commonly said
A combi of Step-mother/-sister/-brother/-father/-daugther/-son and incest... but I gues that's pretty obvious to begin with

You don't seem to know the difference between Step siblings and Half Siblings. Step siblings have no blood relation whatsoever. They're what happens when you're Mom/Dad marries someone else who already had kids from a previous relationship. If Markus and Emily got married Frisha would have been the Mc's step sister. They even mention this at the start of the game. Half sibling means you are blood related but only share one parent instead of both. Frisha and Mira are half siblings because they have the same mother but different fathers, and if you enable incest Mira and the Mc are half siblings because they share the same father. I know some languages have the same word for step sibling and half sibling, but English distinguishes between the two.

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[Snugglepuff]

Which definition do you apply

Not that bunch of gibberish you offered up as a definition that "people" use.

The whole reason "Step-bro what are you doing!?" porn exists is to get around incest laws whilst also taking advantage of the increased mainstream interest in incest as a kink.

... because if you check with F95 definition it's not incest either.

Because F95's tag definitions are all correct and accurate...

You now the tag is probably harder fought for than "VN", "cheating" and "netorare"

Objection!
The netorare tag is clearly the most fought over when it comes to definition - Whether or not it should be applied when it's not already there, whether or not potential love interests having sex with characters that aren't the MC is/is always netorare, whether or not swinging is netorare etc etc, and all to the point of moderators wiping out whole pages and more in threads.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Because F95's tag definitions are all correct and accurate...

Doesn't matter what they are... those definitions are all we get in order to decide wether a tag gets applied or not.
Look I am not gonna be the Paladin of any theme here (unless it's contra NTR), but this whole mess came up because people keep asking why the IC tag is no longer around, and for that this explanation is all we have.

Objection!
The netorare tag is clearly the most fought over when it comes to definition - Whether or not it should be applied when it's not already there, whether or not potential love interests having sex with characters that aren't the MC is/is always netorare, whether or not swinging is netorare etc etc, and all to the point of moderators wiping out whole pages and more in threads.

True, and not what I meant... just that each of those Tags can start a flame war on wether they should be applied or not

 

[storm1051787]

Doesn't matter what they are... those definitions are all we get in order to decide wether a tag gets applied or not.
Look I am not gonna be the Paladin of any theme here (unless it's contra NTR), but this whole mess came up because people keep asking why the IC tag is no longer around, and for that this explanation is all we have.

True, and not what I meant... just that each of those Tags can start a flame war on wether they should be applied or not

Step tags being tagged as incest is just to say it's incest but not really incest. Same reason why porn has so many step stuff. Because they want it to be incest, but also don't want to get in trouble by having them be blood related so making them Step family. Either way it doesn't really matter because there is a difference between being half siblings and step siblings and half siblings are always blood related so it's incest

 

[homarkc]

My mercenary management system says currently the max number of recruits is 15. I only recruited 14, but can no longer add more. Is it because of Frank (The surviving member of Lyvia's crew)?

 

[Bahamut Zero]

For Bahamut Zero only , my (very) old supplementary notes:

Hidden bonus enemies and events:

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Hi, first of all Thank you for all the event list. I saved everything on the game folder notepad. So that I always have everything present. I was wondering, can I activate the events, simply by changing the date on the PC?
Because having restarted the game from scratch a few days ago, I don't know if I'll be able to finish the October event.
And I was wondering, if I could change the date on the PC to avoid the wait. Otherwise I just have to wait for the months to pass in the game
From what I understand, the various events are activated either with the months in the game, or with the real months.

Thank you

 

[ajaccied]

Is it because of Frank (The surviving member of Lyvia's crew)?

Yes.

 

[Arlith]

How do you start Tia's quest?

The walkthrough says: "Talk to her (lust < 80) to chop wood, repeat (if Affection < 2 she will need another round of chopping).
After your strength increase from chopping trees you now know how to do this. There is an axe near the old ruins on a stump. With it you are now able to cut trees in the forest. "

However, at any time of day and any level of lust she just says "Sorry I'm busy right now...". You cannot talk to her while she's in her hut either. Getting the axe changes nothing. Attempting to chop wood before starting her quest just return: "Maybe I should talk to someone who knows about this first". Cheating to get more strength changes nothing.

I found multiple posts in this thread asking similarly, but no answers.

 

[Ottoeight]

Hi, first of all Thank you for all the event list. I saved everything on the game folder notepad. So that I always have everything present. I was wondering, can I activate the events, simply by changing the date on the PC?
Because having restarted the game from scratch a few days ago, I don't know if I'll be able to finish the October event.
And I was wondering, if I could change the date on the PC to avoid the wait. Otherwise I just have to wait for the months to pass in the game
From what I understand, the various events are activated either with the months in the game, or with the real months.

Thank you

Dunno. We might ask Chyos.

How do you start Tia's quest?

The walkthrough says: "Talk to her (lust < 80) to chop wood, repeat (if Affection < 2 she will need another round of chopping).
After your strength increase from chopping trees you now know how to do this. There is an axe near the old ruins on a stump. With it you are now able to cut trees in the forest. "

However, at any time of day and any level of lust she just says "Sorry I'm busy right now...". You cannot talk to her while she's in her hut either. Getting the axe changes nothing. Attempting to chop wood before starting her quest just return: "Maybe I should talk to someone who knows about this first". Cheating to get more strength changes nothing.

I found multiple posts in this thread asking similarly, but no answers.

The answer is in Mira's quest. You need to talk to Emily and she will give the task to get wood and food for dinner: now you can ask Tia for wood.

 

[Snugglepuff]

but this whole mess came up because people keep asking why the IC tag is no longer around, and for that this explanation is all we have.

See, there's multiple "messes" and you don't even realise it.
This one has nothing to do with people asking a question, and everything to do with something you said.

What you call "step cest" in this game,


aside from being a nonsense joke that's a nod to "not incest" porn, is not the case in this game at all, because you don't actually understand what step family is, despite it being explained to you.

Marcus and Emily weren't married, so Mira and the MC are never step-siblings regardless of whether or not the MC is Marcus' son.
Even in the case of step family where the parents aren't married, Marcus and the MC did not live with Emily and her children in the same household.
When the player chooses to have Mira and the MC both being Marcus' children, they are half-siblings, which means they are biologically related, therefore incest.

Now, F95 adopting a similar stance to the laws of some countries does not make their definition correct.
In fact it only serves to regard the tag system as a guideline and not "letter of the law".

 

[Bahamut Zero]

See, there's multiple "messes" and you don't even realise it.
This one has nothing to do with people asking a question, and everything to do with something you said.

What you call "step cest" in this game,
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aside from being a nonsense joke that's a nod to "not incest" porn, is not the case in this game at all, because you don't actually understand what step family is, despite it being explained to you.

Marcus and Emily weren't married, so Mira and the MC are never step-siblings regardless of whether or not the MC is Marcus' son.
Even in the case of step family where the parents aren't married, Marcus and the MC did not live with Emily and her children in the same household.
When the player chooses to have Mira and the MC both being Marcus' children, they are half-siblings, which means they are biologically related, therefore incest.

Now, F95 adopting a similar stance to the laws of some countries does not make their definition correct.
In fact it only serves to regard the tag system as a guideline and not "letter of the law".

I tried to explain it to him too, but evidently that user doesn't like incest. So in his mind, he sees it that way. For me it was and is clear right away. The game contains incest of your choice. If you want, activate it, if you don't want, don't activate it.


The real question is: I don't want to open the Pandora's box again.
But since I see the question opening up once again, I have to ask the question. I have friends who also asked me the same question abaout the incest tag.
But have they removed incest from the game? And I had to explain to them that no. Some problem with patreon, and for protect the game and the developer, F95 remove the tag. At which point they told me: That some people, not seeing the incest tag, have stopped playing the game, precisely because even if it's just a character for now, those people like the incest fetish. And not seeing it, they don't play. So a question comes to me spontaneously, how do you make people who don't know the game understand that there is incest, if the tag or the explanations that are there, have been removed? I ask because in this case, Chyos will start to lose those people, who search for such a thing in the game. Even if they are few characters, that fetish, leads other people to download, try and if necessary subscribe to his game. ( I hope I explained it well, because I use a translator to help me ).


Anyway I can't wait for the day when the MC will meet his biological mother. At that point I wonder... how will Chyos behave?
For those who have the version with incest off, will the mother be dead or no sex? While for those who have incest on, the mother will be alive and there will be a lot of sex (I hope )

Thank you for the game Chyos

 

[Bahamut Zero]

I'm creating another post, because it has nothing to do with the previous post. And I don't want to create a mess.
I wanted to ask your a question about the saves in the game.
I still have the old version in my folder: 0.5.8.0 (where if you go into the woods you can update weapons and armor).
What happens if I load a save from version 0.5.8.7 into 0.5.8.0? And using the weapon update, are slots added to the weapons safe? Will the save be corrupted? Or can I then reload it in version 0.5.8.7 and continue from there? (basically so that I can update some weapons, which unfortunately the game continues to give me without slots). I'm talking about event weapons, not craftable ones.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Hi, first of all Thank you for all the event list. I saved everything on the game folder notepad. So that I always have everything present. I was wondering, can I activate the events, simply by changing the date on the PC?
Because having restarted the game from scratch a few days ago, I don't know if I'll be able to finish the October event.
And I was wondering, if I could change the date on the PC to avoid the wait. Otherwise I just have to wait for the months to pass in the game
From what I understand, the various events are activated either with the months in the game, or with the real months.

Thank you

The asnwer to relations between ingame and realtime dates is Yes.
Chyos said that he bound the Events to ingame dates aswell as real time dates so people can trigger the Events even outside the normal time frame, but also so that they are actually triggering as saesonal Events.

I'm creating another post, because it has nothing to do with the previous post. And I don't want to create a mess.
I wanted to ask your a question about the saves in the game.
I still have the old version in my folder: 0.5.8.0 (where if you go into the woods you can update weapons and armor).
What happens if I load a save from version 0.5.8.7 into 0.5.8.0? And using the weapon update, are slots added to the weapons safe? Will the save be corrupted? Or can I then reload it in version 0.5.8.7 and continue from there? (basically so that I can update some weapons, which unfortunately the game continues to give me without slots). I'm talking about event weapons, not craftable ones.

Sounds like a sure fire way to kill your save.
Going upwards from an older Version with safes is likely tested and fine, but going backwards should be impossible as the save game will have variables that the older game Version should not have and hencefore break either on load or after saveing again.
I doubt anyone definately has tried something like this but the logic should be sound.

 

[Bahamut Zero]

Sounds like a sure fire way to kill your save.
Going upwards from an older Version with safes is likely tested and fine, but going backwards should be impossible as the save game will have variables that the older game Version should not have and hencefore break either on load or after saveing again.
I doubt anyone definately has tried something like this but the logic should be sound.

The thing is, the game loaded the save without any problem, maybe because the save is still at the beginning of the game, where the plot hasn't been shaped yet. The problems will come when I get to new content, I think. For now I'll try to see what happens, also because my real save is not this one. I'm just replaying to refresh my memory, since I had stopped for a while and since then a lot of updates have come out.

Edit #1
as I was saying I tried to update the weapons using the old version, but the weapons are not updated. Apparently, the game notices that the save is not the correct version and does not make any changes...



Sorry to ask this but: Can you tell me where the save location is?
I do not mean the one in the game folder (www/save) i have save the game on an external hard drive.
But the real one, where it is? Because i always do a backup. But i notiche, that also without a save folder, the game have save file somewhere else. Do you know the real location of the save file?

Thank you

 

[lancekro]

orry to ask this but: Can you tell me where the save location is?
I do not mean the one in the game folder (www/save) i have save the game on an external hard drive.
But the real one, where it is? Because i always do a backup. But i notiche, that also without a save folder, the game have save file somewhere else. Do you know the real location of the save file?

A Struggle With Sin only saves inside the game folder (www/save), much like most RPGM games.
The only RPGM games I've seen having external saves (in OS folders) are the games from NLT media.

 

[XSelLint]

A Struggle With Sin only saves inside the game folder (www/save), much like most RPGM games.
The only RPGM games I've seen having external saves (in OS folders) are the games from NLT media.

Is that good or bad?

 

[Snugglepuff]

Is that good or bad?

Which part?

 

[XSelLint]

Which part?

The game saving in the C Drive/User/Appdata/ vs inside the www/save