VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Deleted member 1023239]

meanwhile - in, killing time until the next Update news...

I made a Dialogue Mod

At the moment it's very basic, it only covers the events of (playable) Day 19, mostly because it took a whole week just to do those 4 scenes. If enough people like it then I will try and work backwards to do more.

If you play A Wife and Mother the way it's meant to be played (by actually reading everything) then please consider giving this Mod a try.
Any comments, criticism or notes about my nonexistent modding skills please send to me over DM. We want to avoid clogging up the thread any more than it already is.
Also, I only gave this a single proof-read, so if you find any spelling errors please also let me know over DM.

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pardon if i'm a little bit demanding and greedy but we really need a hero who made a sex mod, pick everything from fan art, mover seduction arc, classroom sex, public sex with sam & dylan, nightclub gang bang, etc and then slip it right into this game and add some dialog since we all have limited lifespan to follow this game to become completed

 

[Leldorin]

The lessons learned by the comparison, from my perspective, is that L&P needs to stop dwelling on the minutia and move the story forward. 42 pages of script for the events listed is probably going to be so much pretentious bullshit and very little of actual substance.

I don’t remember who, but someone pointed out a detail once about a book that Sophia was reading in her bed, being in slightly different position as it was the day before.
At first I thought :“Whoa. I didn’t see that, that’s great attention to detail...”
Realistically speaking, it makes sense.
But story or character wise, what does that tell me that I don’t already know ?

If the game was structured in a way where we weren’t able to see what was happening in their bedroom in the evening but only the moment she wakes up, then the book being in a slightly different place would be a way for us to extrapolate at what might or might not happen at night.(aka: not that much if Sophia is engaging in solitary activities despite being with her husband in bed).

What’s worse is that it’s a detail in a background that almost nobody would have seen if someone didn’t pointed out here(I certainly didn’t).

It would be like, the night when she’s spying on Neil and Amber having sex, a fly come in her bedroom.
Ok. Realistically speaking, it makes sense. She lets her windows open, a fly may enter...
Will that fly be important for the plot?
Will her presence reveals a part of Sophia character that we didn’t know before ?
Eh no... it’s just a fly that came in the bedroom because the window was open. It has zero consequences on anything.

 

[Bane71]

If the dev planned out the events with say a storyboard,then he would have a better idea of how many renders he would need.
He had an estimate of 70 -80 renders for the prison but went over that amount by 20-30 renders and this is just poor planning on his part.

You're right. But each of us has two ways: we can criticize him for this, or we do not criticize him.
The L&P also has a choice, he may try to improve planning, or he may not change anything in his work.

Considering how many changes L&P has made to the quality of the game since its inception, I'm sure he will try to take steps to increase the speed of development and more precise planning of his work.
But as you can imagine, I could be wrong.

 

[Old Dog]

You're right. But each of us has two ways: we can criticize him for this, or we do not criticize him.
The L&P also has a choice, he may try to improve planning, or he may not change anything in his work.

Considering how many changes L&P has made to the quality of the game since its inception, I'm sure he will try to take steps to increase the speed of development and more precise planning of his work.
But as you can imagine, I could be wrong.

The dev already has the hardware to speed up the development of the game and his idea of splitting up days has fallen flat.
It is his Scene Creation that kills the speed and if he had a proper plan laid out then maybe this would not be a problem.

 

[Bane71]

The dev already has the hardware to speed up the development of the game and his idea of splitting up days has fallen flat.
It is his Scene Creation that kills the speed and if he had a proper plan laid out then maybe this would not be a problem.

My friend, it is quite possible, but not a fact!

There are too many unknown factors that influence the process.

 

[Old Dog]

My friend, it is quite possible, but not a fact!

There are too many unknown factors that influence the process.

I grant you that outside influences can affect the development of the game.
I am only talking about Scene Creation here because I know something about the subject,not as much as the dev though.
We know that he has more than enough firepower(computing power) he has two Asus 3090s that can render an image in minutes, even complex ones,so scene rendering should not be a problem for him.
So that leaves Created Scenes and we know that he can spend an obscene amount of time on this.
Aiden event, he spent a month creating this event,I wonder by how many renders he overshot his estimate?
30 minutes on lighting in certain situations/events.
P.S/P.T I know very little about

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

The dev already has the hardware to speed up the development of the game and his idea of splitting up days has fallen flat.
It is his Scene Creation that kills the speed and if he had a proper plan laid out then maybe this would not be a problem.

My friend, it is quite possible, but not a fact!

There are too many unknown factors that influence the process.

Bane, what is not a fact in that statement?

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

But that's the problem. He said it himself; he doesn't know how many renders he needs until he starts to create the scene. So if he is telling you it will be 500, you may want to take that statement with a grain of salt as that result could multiple. Basically, he contradicting himself if he's telling you that it will be 500 renders vs. I can't tell you how many renders until I start the scene.

And for the time frame of two-month development at this point, he would probably have to release not time of day events but event within that time of day itself.

It can be understood and there is no contradiction in this. He makes an initial guess based on the information that he has at the time of the start of rendering, the amount of text and an approximate idea of how many drawings will be needed. And then, while working, he, as an artist, realizes that more drawings are required.

the funny thing is that the story has already been written, or am I wrong? so he should already know what happens, where and when ... therefore a +/- 10% of renders are correct. Or the story already written is something like: sophia is born, grows up, dies.

 

[Bane71]

Bane, what is not a fact in that statement?

" and if he had a proper plan laid out then maybe this would not be a problem. "

As far as I can understand, L&P has a plan.

Or I'm wrong?

It's just that L&P doesn't stick to it strictly and makes adjustments to it, depending on the creative need. Precisely because we do not know his creative intention, I am talking about many unknowns.

The game has a large variety of plots! There are interconnections and contradictions, therefore, when developing a game, it is necessary to simultaneously observe the correctness of the development of various plots, etc. etc. which negatively affects the speed of game creation. Plans, of course, have their own meaning, but they should not be overestimated either.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

the funny thing is that the story has already been written, or am I wrong? so he should already know what happens, where and when ... therefore a +/- 10% of renders are correct. Or the story already written is something like: sophia is born, grows up, dies.

That's the point. The story has already been written, but in what format? An Outline? A Rough Draft? If you look at how he communicates his story on his page using bold and exclamation points, he told you it's a done deal and his story is completed. So there shouldn't be too much editing that needs to do, and he should be able to point out when major events are going to take place. The fact that he turns this into a major event tells me he added or did a complete overhaul on this time of day event. Also, he did a review and rewrite during his first surgery from his original script.

 

[Scarlet56]

I think the script is already written BUT in outline only.

It is humanly impossible to recall in great detail everything he could think of for such and such a scene.
He only has a global view.
Once he faces it, he gets busy detailing it.

In addition, we must not forget that he wrote the script and start doing it with his material at the time.
Now that he has a much better one, of course, he must say to himself: "I can do this scene like this now" and sort of changes his original plan.

While on vacation, since the concert scene seems complex, he should get a head start by storyboarding the concert. 1h or 2 per day during his vacation, that would always be taken.

 

[nexer]

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Apparently not, but the two don't share the same audience. Or at least the hard core is different.
It's also quite possibly harder to write a script like Awam, with many taboos.
Looking at the commercials of porn sites that appear everywhere, I would say that DPC follows the trend of these sites.
IMO, Awam won't reach the level of BaDiK in terms of patrons.
If I'm not mistaken DPC's native language is English, which is a big plus, and his income allows for a consultant.

 

[bluehound36]

Only problem is, people were thinking the same thing 2 or 3 updates BACK!

Hate to be the one to pop your bubble on this one. But poor Sophia getting anything used up at this point is more like wishful thinking than actually possible given the current pace of content. It's one of the reasons I haven't given a rat's ass about this game for quite awhile now. So much potential build up is a complete waste of time if there is no "payoff".

People were saying the same thing about MrDots when he first developed DmD. He went through the entire first chapter before so much as showing any sexual content until it's very end. People on here get all hot under the collar about that sort of thing and then once the action does begin, their story changes to doing nothing but praising the developer and anyone that questions any future decisions that are foolish get tossed under a bus by those same people for providing anything close to constructive criticism. I'll just sit back and watch that happen again with this game and laugh and hopefully L&P doesn't make poor decisions after getting to the sexual content. The writing and build up is good but like many have already stated, pushing that build up too far can ruin things. I believe once all the action does start happening that all the fappers here want to see, the game will have a natural ending and a solidified support base will be waiting for the next game that L&P starts working on. That's really the only reason some people are so upset right now, which is slightly amusing to me.

 

[levelcap]

Didn't realize the amount of drama here
LOL

 

[Talcum Powder]

People were saying the same thing about MrDots when he first developed DmD. He went through the entire first chapter before so much as showing any sexual content until it's very end. People on here get all hot under the collar about that sort of thing and then once the action does begin, their story changes to doing nothing but praising the developer and anyone that questions any future decisions that are foolish get tossed under a bus by those same people for providing anything close to constructive criticism. I'll just sit back and watch that happen again with this game and laugh and hopefully L&P doesn't make poor decisions after getting to the sexual content. The writing and build up is good but like many have already stated, pushing that build up too far can ruin things. I believe once all the action does start happening that all the fappers here want to see, the game will have a natural ending and a solidified support base will be waiting for the next game that L&P starts working on. That's really the only reason some people are so upset right now, which is slightly amusing to me.

I agree with you and so many others that the story and its pacing is actually really really good, and there's a lot to admire about the story, but

That's really the only reason some people are so upset right now

is comically off - we're upset because five + months for 1/3 of a day which was advertised as a minor update of approximately 450 renders which turned out to be more than double that.

If those extra 400-500 renders were added to cover more story or plot or events then no (or at least fewer) folks are upset. But if they're used to repose pigeons and adjust the angle of god rays to illustrate that Sophia spent 20 minutes changing outfits ...

 

[Hornyman2]

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[GingerSweetGirl]

Here's my graphical representation of the current state of the the outline for AWAM.

 

[lockerxx]

the old game of thrones meme

 

[hmc15]

That's the point. The story has already been written, but in what format? An Outline? A Rough Draft? If you look at how he communicates his story on his page using bold and exclamation points, he told you it's a done deal and his story is completed. So there shouldn't be too much editing that needs to do, and he should be able to point out when major events are going to take place. The fact that he turns this into a major event tells me he added or did a complete overhaul on this time of day event. Also, he did a review and rewrite during his first surgery from his original script.

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It is clear he used a writer who has a NDA imho

 

[hmc15]

People were saying the same thing about MrDots when he first developed DmD. He went through the entire first chapter before so much as showing any sexual content until it's very end. People on here get all hot under the collar about that sort of thing and then once the action does begin, their story changes to doing nothing but praising the developer and anyone that questions any future decisions that are foolish get tossed under a bus by those same people for providing anything close to constructive criticism. I'll just sit back and watch that happen again with this game and laugh and hopefully L&P doesn't make poor decisions after getting to the sexual content. The writing and build up is good but like many have already stated, pushing that build up too far can ruin things. I believe once all the action does start happening that all the fappers here want to see, the game will have a natural ending and a solidified support base will be waiting for the next game that L&P starts working on. That's really the only reason some people are so upset right now, which is slightly amusing to me.

True but this project is 4 years in the making..