GingerSweetGirl

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A thought game up, who's to say L&P won't just one day not feel like doing this anymore and abandons the game? This thread will turn inside out.
That's the fear that many of us have. This game is clearly a passion project for L&P, but as the years drag on I worry that any number of issues could arise and the game will be abandoned.
 
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bluehound36

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Are you really saying that having expectations for a dev is the problem?
So long as those expectations are grounded in reality, sure. But the majority of the complaints are comparing the dev to other devs and lack of sexual content, those are expectations grounded in fantasy and people will be met with disappointment if that's what they want to do.
 
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hzjujk

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Are you really saying that having expectations for a dev is the problem?
No, it is not a problem to have expectations. The vehemence with which the expectations are repeatedly presented here is sometimes simply unbearable. As already said by bluehound36, it's always about more Sophia. Many of these expressions of opinion here have only one goal, "MORE". It doesn't matter that the developer wants to go his own way - someone else should be forced on him. A better way, of course. And the motivation for this is not that the developer is better, but that we are better. Because we want to get more fap material. And I think that's so mendacious.
 

GingerSweetGirl

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So long as those expectations are grounded in reality, sure. But the majority of the complaints are comparing the dev to other devs, those are expectations grounded in fantasy and people will be met with disappointment if that's what they want to do.
Then what are your expectations for L&P? What do you expect from him in terms of renders per update, length of development, progression of story, or any other metric that interests you?
 

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So long as those expectations are grounded in reality, sure. But the majority of the complaints are comparing the dev to other devs and lack of sexual content, those are expectations grounded in fantasy and people will be met with disappointment if that's what they want to do.
Ah, this makes it more clear what you're saying: you're actually saying that expecting this developer to deliver on the timelines and expectations they set for themselves at the beginning of this update cycle is not grounded in reality. Makes sense.
 
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Then what are your expectations for L&P? What do you expect from him in terms of renders per update, length of development, progression of story, or any other metric that interests you?
The story's rather good, right amount of drama, it's consistent and not just another generic porn logic game. Story progression has been exactly what L&P started from, an erotic game/vn. This isn't just some random sexfest game where the MC (male or female) ends up banging another partner every update. As far as renders, i don't expect anything beyond what L&P says they're going to turn out. L&P has made consistent updates even if duration between them is longer than what some people like. That length of development is entirely up to L&P just like it's up to other devs (you certainly don't see people complaining about DPC's length of development time and that's based mainly upon the fact every update in BaDiK has lots of sexual content). My only problem with L&P is the same problem i had with how MrDots first developed DmD. The story progression has become the main focus and there should be a bit more sexual content being added in at this point. It doesn't have to be in every update obviously but increasing the pace a bit with sophia and another character certainly won't hurt the story. It's making me wonder why there's points for good wife or filthy route if she isn't even going to make out with any of the characters or strip out of her clothes considering where the story is at. It's why i'm hoping sophia's character development is shown as being affected by the route of player choice in the upcoming update. Good wife route, obviously the choices will show that she's loyal to her husband and family and willing to be more intimate with her husband. The lack of regular sex between them on that route after 2 kids can cause problems in any marriage. The filthy route should be showing how she's more willing to engage in lewd acts rather than overly resistant at this point.
 

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The story's rather good, right amount of drama, it's consistent and not just another generic porn logic game. Story progression has been exactly what L&P started from, an erotic game/vn. This isn't just some random sexfest game where the MC (male or female) ends up banging another partner every update. As far as renders, i don't expect anything beyond what L&P says they're going to turn out. L&P has made consistent updates even if duration between them is longer than what some people like. That length of development is entirely up to L&P just like it's up to other devs (you certainly don't see people complaining about DPC's length of development time and that's based mainly upon the fact every update in BaDiK has lots of sexual content). My only problem with L&P is the same problem i had with how MrDots first developed DmD. The story progression has become the main focus and there should be a bit more sexual content being added in at this point. It doesn't have to be in every update obviously but increasing the pace a bit with sophia and another character certainly won't hurt the story. It's making me wonder why there's points for good wife or filthy route if she isn't even going to make out with any of the characters or strip out of her clothes considering where the story is at. It's why i'm hoping sophia's character development is shown as being affected by the route of player choice in the upcoming update. Good wife route, obviously the choices will show that she's loyal to her husband and family and willing to be more intimate with her husband. The lack of regular sex between them on that route after 2 kids can cause problems in any marriage. The filthy route should be showing how she's more willing to engage in lewd acts rather than overly resistant at this point.
"The lack of regular sex between them on that route" is that the GW or Filthy you're referring to here, because they can have sex pretty much every two days on the GW route.

So far on my Filthy route playthough, Sophia has made out with Patricia, Ellie and Julia, and has completely stripped in front of Ellie, Patricia, Claire and Marie. Let both Ellie and Jules fondle her tits, and started (but stopped) jilling herself in front of Ellie. So Sophia gets naked and makes out with people plenty.
 

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At least you know on the lesbian route the girls are all smoking hot, typically better developed than the equivalent male characters, and at the moment, more likely to have sexier scenes than on the non-lesbian Filthy route(s).
If I was a billionaire (and for some reason was still playing H-games instead of just banging golddiggers all day) I'd pledge whatever it took to L&P to get him to 100% focus on the lesbian route and finish it first, then go back and give the fans of pygmies, friends-of-pygmies, and loser husbands whatever they want.
 

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The dev is sticking to a plan, a plan that doesn't meet the personal expectations of some. That's the problem with holding expectations about anything, it'll only ever lead to disappointment. Why some people are complaining that this dev isn't more like DPC and turning out the same content is just plain ignorant. I've seen so many make that argument in this thread that it's become absurd, laughable and downright inane.
"The dev is sticking to a plan"??!! Please forgive my poor memory, but was nt it L&P that promised that, by switching from each update being 1/2 Playable Day to each update being 1/3 Playable Day, that it would speed updates up?

That's not really down to our personal expectations.
 

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"The lack of regular sex between them on that route" is that the GW or Filthy you're referring to here, because they can have sex pretty much every two days on the GW route.
They've only had the option to have sex twice as far as i remember about that route and once where she modeled lingerie but got caught by her son and sam. Maybe if they were having that much sex every other day or trying to, the marriage could be considered a healthy one but so far, it's pretty much a bust on that route. Makes no sense considering they're in their 30s and only have 2 kids. It's being depicted as a happy marriage though which is slightly confusing due to that. Though I suppose there are couples out there that don't have sex all that often. People i've known that don't tend to have miserable marriages though and end up divorced in real life.
 

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They've only had the option to have sex twice as far as i remember about that route and once where she modeled lingerie but got caught by her son and sam. Maybe if they were having that much sex every other day or trying to, the marriage could be considered a healthy one but so far, it's pretty much a bust on that route. Makes no sense considering they're in their 30s and only have 2 kids. It's being depicted as a happy marriage though which is slightly confusing due to that. Though I suppose there are couples out there that don't have sex all that often. People i've known that don't tend to have miserable marriages though and end up divorced in real life.
On the GW route there's day 13 after the opera, day 16 after the casino, day 18 after he fixes the jacuzzi, and day 19 at his office.
 
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bluehound36

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On the GW route there's day 13 after the opera, day 16 after the casino, day 18 after he fixes the jacuzzi, and day 19 at his office.
Haven't played the GW route beyond the casino. I suppose i should go back through on that save to see the content passed that day but i'll wait till the next update actually drops this month.

So far on my Filthy route playthough, Sophia has made out with Patricia, Ellie and Julia, and has completely stripped in front of Ellie, Patricia, Claire and Marie. Let both Ellie and Jules fondle her tits, and started (but stopped) jilling herself in front of Ellie. So Sophia gets naked and makes out with people plenty.
You hopefully get my point though in regards to the filthy route, for the amount of points that can be accumulated, the lewd scenes just seem slightly on the boring side. I think the most action that happens in that regard is like you said, when ellie and jules fondle her tits. As far as stripping, i don't mean just taking off her clothes in the gym in front of other women, something erotic like the lingerie she got caught by her son and sam wearing for her husband. So far, the filthy route has been rather tame. Personally, I think the most erotic scene however was her daydream in the prison and the way she showed her tits and ass without it seeming as if she was reluctant or guilty.
 
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Alley_Cat

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Haven't played the GW route beyond the casino. I suppose i should go back through on that save to see the content passed that day but i'll wait till the next update actually drops this month.
I haven't played GW past the casino events either. I just delve into the CG and the code.
 
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At the beginning I came to this forum to discuss the contents and future events of the game. But any discussion about such topics that are fun will be hijacked again after a few posts by any of the faction "MORE" with the remark "You can wait for that for years". And then the spiral begins again. This is so sad!
 
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