Alley_Cat

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Ok...I finally figured it out from reading the comments, this game is meant for the blue ballers that love slow burns, man how desperate can someone be waiting years just to see a tit from a Daz render model.
We've been able to see tits in the game for quite a while. Pussy on the other hand is often hidden.

I did notice curiously that Jules doesn't seem to have much in the way of pussy hair. While it might be because she's a blonde, it does make me wonder if she knows more about "intimate shaving" than her innocent image would imply.
 

RockSpice

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Ok...I finally figured it out from reading the comments, this game is meant for the blue ballers that love slow burns, man how desperate can someone be waiting years just to see a tit from a Daz render model.
Well, most people here just enjoy in good story. But, what do you expect from this game? Maybe some quick bang, to jerk off? Really? In a world with a millions of porn sites .... in a world where you can easily get real thing with a little help of Tinder ... you really need sex in a game to jerk off? Oh poor boy, do you realize how pathetic that sounds.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

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Well, most people here just enjoy in good story. But, what do you expect from this game? Maybe some quick bang, to jerk off? Really? In a world with a millions of porn sites .... in a world where you can easily get real thing with a little help of Tinder ... you really need sex in a game to jerk off? Oh poor boy, do you realize how pathetic that sounds.
A good story doesn't have to take 20+ years to tell either.
 

Sabertooth__

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A good story doesn't have to take 20+ years to tell either.
What does the story have to do with the development pace. It is L&P who is on the slower side and his story is massive. And anything that is done by a single person with emphasis to quality takes it's time.

1.5 hrs of a Disney movie takes around 5 years to make even with a 100 animators. Anime generally having 12 episodes ( 4 hours ) generally take 10 months to one year in production, sometimes even that is not enough. Some extremely mesmerizing scenes which last only 2-3 minutes take 3-4 months to make. A manga chapter not containing more than 10-15 minutes of reading time takes 1 month, some with higher quality art take 2-3 months for 10-15 minutes of content.

The story itself can be told in very less time if done through text or shot with real people, when it has to be drawn or animated it takes time to get all the details right. So good storys can take a little extra time but the real time taker is the length of the story, the medium chosen to narrate it,the number of people behind it and the quality at the which the product is intended to be delivered.
 

Jimmy Kimbolt

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Hi, How many saves do I need to play each paths . There is blackmails, a boarding school, side works and other choices. I don't know how to start it and choose the most interesting paths. Sorry for bad english.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

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What does the story have to do with the development pace. It is L&P who is on the slower side and his story is massive. And anything that is done by a single person with emphasis to quality takes it's time.

1.5 hrs of a Disney movie takes around 5 years to make even with a 100 animators. Anime generally having 12 episodes ( 4 hours ) generally take 10 months to one year in production, sometimes even that is not enough. Some extremely mesmerizing scenes which last only 2-3 minutes take 3-4 months to make. A manga chapter not containing more than 10-15 minutes of reading time takes 1 month, some with higher quality art take 2-3 months for 10-15 minutes of content.

The story itself can be told in very less time if done through text or shot with real people, when it has to be drawn or animated it takes time to get all the details right. So good storys can take a little extra time but the real time taker is the length of the story, the medium chosen to narrate it,the number of people behind it and the quality at the which the product is intended to be delivered.
First of all, this isn't a movie or animation, and to compare this to a film is like comparing apples and oranges. I never said it doesn't take time; I said again, "A good story doesn't have to take 20+ years to tell either." Second, A good story doesn't need complex storylines either. A direct, simplistic approach can work just as well. Other VN novels are good at the core and are linear, which don't branch out into 30+ different paths. He could have written the story based on six or seven characters and most likely achieved his results at a quicker pace.

If you read some of his Patreon comments, most want to see the core characters with Sophia more than anything else, Dylan, Ellie, Patricia, and Sam, plus some outside characters like Aiden. If he focuses on them more instead of having 90+ characters, I think he would achieve more significant progress with less, and his Patreon Member count would be higher than it is now.

He could have done this in less time if he didn't have, me being facetious here, 30+ routes with some of the routes having the same themes as others.
 
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Alley_Cat

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Hi, How many saves do I need to play each paths . There is blackmails, a boarding school, side works and other choices. I don't know how to start it and choose the most interesting paths. Sorry for bad english.
There's no real answer to that, since it depends on what you find interesting. To play all the scenes I think most have about 6 or so. But of saves for the "interesting scenes" some have dozens of saves, I only have one.

My advice would just be to play the Maximum Filthy route to see what appeals to you, but if a different choice looks interesting, start a different save.

EDIT:
Best walkthrough I've seen for the Maximum Filthy route with the major scenes is this one by Mamonetti. That will get you most of the major scenes barring the sex scenes with Liam (the husband), and a couple of minor scenes on the Dylan route.
 
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Sabertooth__

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First of all, this isn't a movie or animation, and to compare this to a film is like comparing apples and oranges. I never said it doesn't take time; I said again, "A good story doesn't have to take 20+ years to tell either." Second, A good story doesn't need complex storylines either. A direct, simplistic approach can work just as well. Other VN novels are good at the core and are linear, which don't branch out into 30+ different paths. He could have written the story based on six or seven characters and most likely achieved his results at a quicker pace.

If you read some of his Patreon comments, most want to see the core character with Sophia more than anything else, Dylan, Ellie, Patricia, and Sam, plus some outside characters like Aiden. If he focuses on them more instead of having 90+ characters, I think he would achieve more significant progress with less, and his Patreon Member count would be higher than it is now.

He could have done this in less time if he didn't have, me being facetious here, 30+ routes with some of the routes having the same themes as others.
My comment emphasised on the fact that anything of art require such manual attention to work takes time. The mediums are different, the effort here isn't. Be it anime, animated movies or manga or comics.

And just like visual novels with 5-6 Characters are good, VN novel with 20 characters can also be good and definitely way better if done right. This very thing would be celebrated because of a huge range of fetishes only if L&P could do 7000 renders a year instead of barely getting near 1800.

And what an exaggeration it is to call 90+ characters. Characters which have scenes are limited to only these

Nathalie, Aiden, Liam, Dylan, Alyssa, Sam Ellie, Julia, Morello Larry, Patricia, Amber,
Tutoring Job, Bennett, Janitor, Nursing Home, Zac, Vicky Deshawn, Neil, Jennifer,
Cathy, Principal, Movers, Thugs, Emma

Total - 25.

out of which Alyssa is hardly getting anything.
Morello's storyline isn't coming back for a while
Amber one or two scenes a week
Bennett Storyline has been cut short and currently only has 82 renders. Janitor is another with only 80 renders and no event in sight.
Neil is forgetten, Principal has no role, Movers aren't coming back till the end just like the Thugs.
Liam doesn't seem to have a seen for the next few days, even if he did no one here would be excited for it. So it doesn't matter.
Jennifer doesn't have route either. It is just a event or two.

So just tell me where are your 90+ characters, if you count 5 charcters from the 2nd job it makes no sense since we will only get one scene from it. Similar 3 movers make no difference, since whenever they have a scene it will be together. Same goes for the thugs. And it is downright non sensical to count all the students in Sophia's class in characters, they are just filling space or the gym Instructor,. Dylan's martial arts instructor who is likely to never have a scene. Logan and his friends too shouldn't be counted separately because they are just part of Ellie Sophia route. They don't have exclusive scenes. Whenever Sophia Ellie have their scene they will just be a part of it.


There are primarily only Pat, Ellie, Dylan Sam, Aiden, 2 jobs, Nathalie, Vicky, Alyssa, Zac, Liam. Not a huge number of main stay storylines. Rest of the characters have a once in blue a moon appearance and some might never even show up again
A streamlined linear game would be boring as hell with Sophia constantly pushing herself every next scene with the same 4-5 Characters, making it look like just a monotonous, run of the mill sex fest game in a span of 3-4 PD And the scenes will just look forced as there is nothing to show besides these same 5 people.
 
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PatreonTed

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Ok...I finally figured it out from reading the comments, this game is meant for the blue ballers that love slow burns, man how desperate can someone be waiting years just to see a tit from a Daz render model.
There's a lot of games where I just hammer on the space bar to see some titties, but once I realized this one was going to be a ridiculously slow burn, I started to enjoy it more. Variety is the spice of life!
 

Radoslaw Wolf

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Hi, How many saves do I need to play each paths . There is blackmails, a boarding school, side works and other choices. I don't know how to start it and choose the most interesting paths. Sorry for bad english.
I have three saves that seem to cover all possible events on the filthy path. I might have made a minor manipulation around the variables on the way, don't remember exactly. I know for sure I paired boarding school with one side job, and no boarding school with the other. Be creative ;)

P.S. Your English is fine, no need to be sorry.
 

Adolfo

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Not as fancy as Apollodore's one but this is what I managed to save and keep up-to-date here

DayDay of the weekPDTime of the dayReleaseEvent
20Friday13
Morningv0.155
Literature lesson (Aiden's 4th task)
School break (bonus scene)
Don Morello (optional)
Noon
v0.160Dylan/Ellie Part 1 + Part 2
v0.161Aiden's Meeting
v0.165Dylan keeps Amber company while waiting for Sam
v0.1702nd side job 3rd day (Tutoring Job)
Afternoon
update 5Sophia/Sam
update 6Sophia/Claire/Marie (with Dylan)
Evening
update 7Sophia/Dylan Part 1
update 8Sophia/Dylan Part 2
update 9Dylan/Ellie/Christine
update 10Dylan/Emma + rest
21Saturday14
Morning
Sophia/Ellie (Very short)
Sophia/Sam (Very short)
Sophia/Ellie
Noon
1st side job OR: 2nd side Job
Sophia/Dylan
Afternoon
Sophia/Dylan
Evening
Sophia/Dylan
Meeting "museum college guys"

These are intels for the other days, either from discussions with L&P that have been shared or future events that are mentioned or inferred from the story.
The "within" of the "sex scene within X playable days" has to be counted from PD 12 when the information was given.

PD 15 - Day 22 - Sunday
[1st lesbian sex scene with an important character: Within the next 3 playable days]

PD 16 - Day 23 - Monday
[1st big hetero sex scene with an important character: Within the next 4 playable days]
[2nd big hetero sex scene with an important character: Within the next 4 playable days]
[2nd lesbian sex scene with an important character: Within the next 4 playable days]
  • there are "several Ellie's events spread out over the day" (aka Ellie's day) and the return of the sauna guys Tyler and Logan
  • She usually does not teach on Mondays, but after what happened in v0.161 she will meet Aiden and they are going to have a "have a 'private chat' on Monday at school" . but it seems that the principal Johnson will call her in as substitute teacher. So there could be another task.
  • "Something definitely really "wild" what is not with the husband [...] and it will be something no one will definitely expect at the moment!" as per L&P old quote

PD 17 - Day 24 - Tuesday
[3rd big lesbian sex(ual) scene with an important character: Within the next 5 playable days]
  • 2 Ellie's events
  • She is teaching on Tuesdays and probably there will be the first sport lesson if the school gym is ready (after the "usual" Literature class)
  • 2nd optional solution for Aiden (less comfortable than Morello)
  • Alyssa will be back and they are likely to meet at soccer practice ("I think Tuesday next week when our boys have soccer practice will be the earliest we can see each other again.")
PD 18 - Day 25 - Wednesday
  • Biology class, likely another Aiden's task
  • The 1st chance to get rid of Bennett (source)
  • [unconfirmed/unreliable] Around this time or the next days the side jobs might end but there could be an option to continue them later on. More recent intel says the 1st job could be there till the end of the game.

PD 19 - Day 26 - Thursday
[4th lesbian sex scene with an important character: Within the next 7 playable days]
  • 2 Ellie's events

PD 20 - Day 27 - Friday
  • Literature class, likely another Aiden's task
[...]
PD 24 - Day 31 - Tuesday
  • Deadline for Mr. Bennett's proposal

After what Mr.Gamer__ shared:

I guess that the "sex scene WITH an important character", the "with" is not to be intended as "Sophia with.." but as "a sex scene involving an important character", where the important character is one of the 3 2 MCs, Sophia and Dylan, and Ellie.
We are walking on a thin line between the language barrier on one side and mastering the art of being willingly vague and ambiguous on the other. ;)
Great work.
I can give some tips for the schedule.

In the wild scene of PD 16 you can add that is a very hot and big hetero scene. One user posted time ago
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About that scene I asked if there will be penetration and LP answered "maybe" :ROFLMAO:

About Aiden tasks on PD16 and PD 17 there will be one each day. It's what I urderstood to a question that I made to LP. Sometimes he can be a bit cryptic in his answers.

We return to the original idea that the comfortable exit for Aiden will be on PD18.
LP has said: "The first solution was already in the morning of this day with asking Don Morello for help. The next will be in around 5 game days."
 

intrigan

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Ok...I finally figured it out from reading the comments, this game is meant for the blue ballers that love slow burns, man how desperate can someone be waiting years just to see a tit from a Daz render model.
There are enough games for every taste on F95 to melt your balls forever in an endless orgasm. W&M was created in order to fully immerse the gamer in the game, as if these people really exist. The effect of full immersion in the life of Sophie's family. Somewhere in the back of your brain, sometimes flashes the thought: - How is Sophie, her children? During this time, a vast fan community has been created, which already influences the author with a wonderful series of comics from ST9-Pol, many other sketches, thoughts and wishes. This is already a whole world where fantasy has merged with reality.
 
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