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Can somebody write to me what conditions I need to have, to see new update scene?
I don't want to start all from beginning, just want to use cheat menu, to see this. I tried few options, but still not appeared.
I don't want to start all from beginning, just want to use cheat menu, to see this. I tried few options, but still not appeared.
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they kiss in the soccer game
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Are you doing this in part?they kiss in the soccer game
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people not an elementary school student, and no one gets excited about this.
And at this time, the atmosphere was so bad that it was fortunate that Dylan didn't get slapped by Sofia.
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it was a joke.i know it was a lame kiss
.These conditions are necessary:
Dylan >= 27
Emma_and_Dylan_couple = False
day17_Sophia_shows_Dylan_her_breasts = True
day19_Dylan_defeated_hobo = True
day20_Dylan_warns_his_mom_about_slipped_top = True
For better dialogues:
day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_Dylan = True
day20_Christine_invites_Dylan_to_her_party = True
day20_Dylan_withheld_from_cupping_Maries_boob = True
You can edit these variables in the save file here:
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On Windows, you can find the save file here:
c:\Users\[user_name]\AppData\Roaming\RenPy\AWAM_Part2\
AppData is a hidden directory!
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Maybe a bit late, but here is an attempt to unpack what happened in this v0.185.
Let's start with an aspect that has troubled many, myself included, and that is how to play the event.
How to get the event
The event is available in all routes, in the sense that no matter what route you are on, Liam will announce his forfait for the evening and Sophia will talk to Dylan about his plans. If you don't meet some of the required conditions, the event will simply end with Sophia taking a relaxing bath alone.
The conditions for full access to the event, i.e. Dylan joining Sophia for a relaxing bath, are better explained in the walkthrough. The required conditions are
These conditions allow Dylan to join Sophia. There is another important condition that comes into play during the bath, which is fundamental to fully playing the event:
Translated into code, these are the required variables:
There are other conditions in the event that change some dialogues, but do not (at least at the moment for part 1) affect the outcome of the event:
Here is a short recap for these variables
According to these choices we can note that:
In terms of results, the event can award when fully completed
Obviously, in order to fully play the event, the most daring and lewd choice must be made, with two exceptions (at least for this part, though they may have an effect in part 2)
Finally, here is a simplified and up-to-date flowchart to *hopefully* clarify the events of the evening. Note that teasing the boss, Mr Harris, can only happen if Dylan joins Sophia in the bathtub.
As for the rest of the evening, the **guess** is that v0.190 (part 2) will have a short resolution of the cliffhanger and then, if Dylan is in Christine's route, he will go to the party (v0.195) or he will continue with part 2. L&P announced that Emma's event is likely to be axed to speed up the development and that decision will be probably made with a poll on Patreon.
As a minor technical note, be aware that this update switched to the new version renpy 8. The old saves still works, there might be some problem for older 32 bit hardware to play the videos and here is a possible solution.
Teasing Mr. Harris
As mentioned before, the teasing is Sophia's choice and can only happen if she allows Dylan to join her in the relaxing bath. In this context, it seemed normal that there was no reference to what happened the day before in the office when he caught her in the skimpy dress. That happened in the good wife's path. Probably, apart from "teaching Liam a lesson", it **could** also be a way of setting up a future event involving the Boss, which can happen on both paths. The official walkthrough for that event mentioned that
Interruption™
We got two interruptions (like Sam's event) from Liam, a sort of trademark for AWAM. And of course there was another "behind the curtain/door" moment to add to the long list of similar situations.
And, while on the subject, why Liam needed to take the hand cream from the bathroom?... Weren't they watching a football game?
Liam's interruption gives Sophia the choice of either playing it cool and letting him know that Dylan is there, or hiding Dylan behind the curtain. PTwo comments about this situation:
Sam Vs Dylan
I think we have all noticed that many things have been reused or are very similar in the development of the two routes. Some of them have already been mentioned above in this post. If you are interested, here is a collection of many of these similarities.
Dylan
There was a lot of discussion and curiosity about how the Sophia/Dylan relationship would have played out and how far they would have gotten given where they were. Given the specificity of the M/S relationship, it was expected that it would be difficult to implement anything that would be believable or different from the usual tropes.
In the end, the sex-ed was the means to convince Sophia to take things further. While the first part of the bath depicted a normal m/s relationship, even with some sweet moments when they both reminisce about old times and cuddle, the main argument for Dylan became that he needed to gain experience with a real woman before he tried to approach Marie/Christine. And he kept insisting on the "as woman and man" thing, rather than "as mother and son". Towards the end of the bath, however, he suddenly explains and confesses his attraction, going back to these childhood episodes.
The end result of this role-play is that Sophia, while worried about his declared feelings for her, starts to see him (again) in a different light.
As a frivolous side note, maybe for the first time, there was not a single lip-biting moment for Sophia!
The magazine gig
As we were teased before the release, one of the major revelations of the update was Sophia's secret (short) career as a model for a rather unknown bikini magazine. We even got to see more of Sophia's youth as she recalls her first time. The story already hinted that Sophia had her share of fun in her youth, but she was not as wild as Patricia. She lost her virginity to her boyfriend's father at the age of 17 and had had some heavy petting and other experiences with other guys before that. Here is an approximate timeline of events :
While it is now a little clearer what happened at what age, there are two points that lead to the cliffhanger of the event. The magazine is published in July 2002, which in the current story setting (2018) would make Sophia (now 38) 22 at the time of publication. And it is said that she was almost 20 at the time. So **could** the photoshoot have been published much later? This may or may not have something to do with what Dylan discovers about the photographer, a certain Liam Parker...
Obviously this cliffhanger has fired up the imagination and speculation here on the forums. The wildest theory is that the photographer was actually Liam Parker Senior, Liam's father, which would open up an incredible twist to challenge one of those good old Victorian dramas full of . In reality, L&P have already explained that it was Liam and Sophia is just embarrassed to talk about it and that's why she lied to Dylan.
The simplest explanation would be that she lied about Liam not knowing about the magazine, which would be less interesting but more logical.
Otherwise, if Liam does not really know, the question remains as to what she needed the money for. It has been suggested that she might have done it to save Liam (again!) from his gambling problem or even, given the possibility of the late publication of the photos, to get some money for the family they had started (Ellie was already born in 2002). Finally, although Sophia's answer was dismissive, she could have got pregnant during the shoot.
What's next?
Well, part 2, doh!
As mentioned, the next update (v0.190, though not official yet) will conclude the cliffhanger and then Dylan will either go to the party or continue with Sophia, depending on the previous choice (or maybe an explicit choice?).
From the little we know, it will take place both indoors and outdoors, there will be probably another hot-tub event. Sophia and Dylan may go out tograb something to eat, that could be another part of the sex-ed experience with a role-play date.
I guess we will have to wait for the first teaser(s) to have some more insight of what could happen.
There are at least 2 open questions, though:
Let's start with an aspect that has troubled many, myself included, and that is how to play the event.
How to get the event
The event is available in all routes, in the sense that no matter what route you are on, Liam will announce his forfait for the evening and Sophia will talk to Dylan about his plans. If you don't meet some of the required conditions, the event will simply end with Sophia taking a relaxing bath alone.
The conditions for full access to the event, i.e. Dylan joining Sophia for a relaxing bath, are better explained in the walkthrough. The required conditions are
- more than 27 Dylan points, which means she has at least had a bath with Dylan as a Jacuzzi substitute (so she has at least completed the first Aiden task)
- Dylan is not with Emma
- filthy > good_wife as usual for most of the choices
- she must have shown Dylan her breasts in the mall on day 17
- Dylan warned her about her top in Claire's Beauty Parlor: in particular this is used to set Sophia's mood and make her feel more at ease and secure with Dylan:
Python:if day20_Dylan_warns_his_mom_about_slipped_top: pass else: "The embarrassing incident at Claire's had dampened Sophia's spirits a bit." s "I'd rather spend some time alone now, honey. Maybe some other time." "Dylan accepted his mother's decision and left. Sophia got ready for her bath." jump day20_Sophia_relaxes_alone_in_bathtub "The embarrassing incident at Claire's had dampened Sophia's spirits a bit. But the way her son had stood up for her, like he did yesterday in the park while jogging, made her feel a little positive again and she thought that maybe he deserved a little reward."
These conditions allow Dylan to join Sophia. There is another important condition that comes into play during the bath, which is fundamental to fully playing the event:
- Dylan defended Sophia from the homeless in the park the previous day. This is necessary later when Liam interrupts for the first time, Sophia hides him and only under this condition can she take off her top. If she can't, the event ends with a normal bath without any progress. Again this is used to explain Sophia's mood and her feeling towards Dylan:
Python:if day19_Dylan_defeated_hobo: "Sophia closed her eyes and relaxed into the water, feeling the warmth and the closeness of her son." "She felt so comfortable and content in his presence, and it made her feel so loved."
Translated into code, these are the required variables:
| Variable | Value | Meaning |
|---|---|---|
dylan | >=27 | minimum to join her in the bathtub |
Emma_and_Dylan_couple | False | Otherwise Dylan does not insist on joining her |
filthy > good_wife | as usual | For basically all the most daring options |
day17_Sophia_shows_Dylan_her_breasts | True | To let him join in the bathtub |
day20_Dylan_warns_his_mom_about_slipped_top | True | These are necessary for Sophia to feel good about Dylan protecting her |
day19_Dylan_defeated_hobo | True | Necessary to let her feel secure when removing the top when Liam enters |
There are other conditions in the event that change some dialogues, but do not (at least at the moment for part 1) affect the outcome of the event:
- Dylan can be invited to Christine party (bonus storyline with Ellie/Christine)
- Dylan can have successfully kissed Marie without cupping her breasts.
This and the previous one have an effect on the dialogues: Dylan will tell Sophia which of the two he is pursuing as a girlfriend. Note that both can be true or both can be false, according to the previous choices, in the first case Maria is chosen, otherwise it's Christine ("a girl from school"). It is not clear if this is an oversight by L&P (bug) or if he designed it that way. We'll see in the next update if he goes back and fixes it or not.
- If in the bikini show alone with Dylan she went with all the swimsuits and he took the pictures, the dialogues are slightly different at the end, when Sophia goes to Dylan's room to ask for an explanation of what she discovered while cleaning: if this is true, she discovered that he had one of the pictures from the fashion show on the computer, otherwise she sees (but it is not shown) an old picture of her in a bikini.
Python:if day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_Dylan: scene day20_Sophia_Dylan_Pt_1 399 s "I happened to see on your screen you kept a picture of me in my bikini!" else: s "I saw on your screen an older photo of me in my bikini in the swimming pool." ... if day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_Dylan: dy "You told me I can keep the pictures and I don't feel bad about having them to look at when I think about you." dy "I don't keep it out for public display. It's only for me." else: dy "It's just a picture from our family album and I don't feel bad about having them to look at when I think about you."
- If the bikini show was done with Sam, Sophia already knows the meaning of MILF and it will just be remembered, otherwise he will try to explain it again.
Python:if day17_Sophia_learned_what_MILF_means: s "Yes we already had that MILF topic. But that's normal for you teenagers. You do talk about other mothers in this way." else: s "What was the meaning of that again?" dy "Of 'MILF'?" s "Yeah." dy "MILF stands for 'Mom I'd Like to... Flirt with.' It's a term that guys use to describe attractive older women." "Sophia smirked" s "I'm pretty sure the 'F' stands for something way different. And we both know what for. *Smirk*" dy "Uh... yep. Well, what can I say? But they say the same things about Zac's mom too, so it's a little 'balanced'."
- If Sophia completes the 4th task in the morning, there will be a slightly different conversation with Dylan.
Python:if day20_Sophia_fulfilled_Aidens_4th_task: s "So... how's school? Are those guys still bothering you?" dy "Mom, I told you it was nothing! Besides, I haven’t even seen them this week." s "That's reassuring!" st "At least this asshole Aiden keeps to the agreement, but it also costs me a high price! But for my son, I would also do anything!" s "How was your Spanish presentation by the way?" dy "B+." s "Muy bien, honey *ha-ha*." s "By the way, I still wanted to thank you for keeping your word and doing so much around the house! You're a real sweetheart!" dy "Mom. I'll do anything for you!" s "Stop sucking up *smirk*."
Here is a short recap for these variables
| Variable | Value | Meaning |
|---|---|---|
day20_Christine_invites_Dylan_to_her_party | True/False* | The alleged girlfriend is Christine instead of Marie (to be seen whether this could prevent Part 2 as Dylan leaves for the party) |
day20_Dylan_withheld_from_cupping_Maries_boob | True/False* | The alleged girlfriend is Marie instead of Christine |
day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_Dylan | True | Only more dialogues |
day17_Sophia_learned_what_MILF_means | True/False | Just dialogues, if bikini show with Sam she knows already the meaning of MILF |
day20_Sophia_fulfilled_Aidens_4th_task | True/False | Just different dialogue |
According to these choices we can note that:
- As expected, Emma's path is not compatible with Sophia/Dylan.
- The event is actually possible in both Christine's and Marie's paths. It was a bit surprising (to me at least) that Christine's path was not mutually exclusive. In retrospect, he actually wrote that Part 2 was an alternative to Christine's and Emma's paths. I was confused too, so apologies if I confused you too in the pre-release recap post..
- Christine's path will be exclusive in part 2. So in this case, part 1 was just a kind of sex-ed to prepare Dylan for the party event.
- The boarding school route is also compatible with the event, but as the fight with the hobos is required to progress and play the full event, it will stop at the first interruption of Liam. Also, given the minimum Dylan points required, she should send him to the boarding school after completing at least the first Aiden's task.
- Sam's route is also compatible, at least for now. **Theoretically**, they should interlock at some point, whether Sophia has to choose or there are other conditions.
- In a way, the cuckold route (if he lets Devon look at her through the robe) is blocked, although cuckold points will be awarded later in the event if he asks her to tell him all the details of their first time. While this may seem an odd choice, it is explained by the fact that she would feel safer with Dylan again if he warned her.
In terms of results, the event can award when fully completed
- 18
filthypoints (in the walkthrough there are 2 points missing if she tells him about her first time) - 20
dylanpoints (again 2 missing for the same choice as above) - 1
dylan_cuckoldif he asks to tell him about her first time.
Obviously, in order to fully play the event, the most daring and lewd choice must be made, with two exceptions (at least for this part, though they may have an effect in part 2)
- Sophia does not need to tell him that he could satisfy her, it will just change the dialogues slightly, but not the possibility of progressing in the event (
day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_that_he_could_satisfy_her). - The whole first time thing is completely optional, it will not prevent you from progressing in the event (again, it may have an effect in part 2 or later) (
day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_detailled_about_her_1st_time).
day20_Sophia_took_off_her_top_in_bathtub_when_Liam_enteredday20_Sophia_voluntarily_teased_Dylan_moreday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_touch_her_breastsday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_touch_her_nipplesday20_Sophia_pretends_to_be_college_girl_for_Dylanday20_Sophia_told_Dylan_that_he_could_satisfy_her(optional)day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_detailled_about_her_1st_time(optional)day20_Sophia_teaches_Dylan_how_to_kissday20_Sophia_french_kisses_Dylanday20_Sophia_surrendered_to_Dylans_erotic_massageday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_open_her_top_during_massage
Finally, here is a simplified and up-to-date flowchart to *hopefully* clarify the events of the evening. Note that teasing the boss, Mr Harris, can only happen if Dylan joins Sophia in the bathtub.
As for the rest of the evening, the **guess** is that v0.190 (part 2) will have a short resolution of the cliffhanger and then, if Dylan is in Christine's route, he will go to the party (v0.195) or he will continue with part 2. L&P announced that Emma's event is likely to be axed to speed up the development and that decision will be probably made with a poll on Patreon.
As a minor technical note, be aware that this update switched to the new version renpy 8. The old saves still works, there might be some problem for older 32 bit hardware to play the videos and here is a possible solution.
Teasing Mr. Harris
As mentioned before, the teasing is Sophia's choice and can only happen if she allows Dylan to join her in the relaxing bath. In this context, it seemed normal that there was no reference to what happened the day before in the office when he caught her in the skimpy dress. That happened in the good wife's path. Probably, apart from "teaching Liam a lesson", it **could** also be a way of setting up a future event involving the Boss, which can happen on both paths. The official walkthrough for that event mentioned that
Interruption™
We got two interruptions (like Sam's event) from Liam, a sort of trademark for AWAM. And of course there was another "behind the curtain/door" moment to add to the long list of similar situations.
And, while on the subject, why Liam needed to take the hand cream from the bathroom?... Weren't they watching a football game?
Liam's interruption gives Sophia the choice of either playing it cool and letting him know that Dylan is there, or hiding Dylan behind the curtain. PTwo comments about this situation:
- If she hides Dylan then Liam says nothing if she keeps the bikini on and he makes no mention of what happened with Mr Harris a few minutes earlier. It has also been pointed out that the average husband would have leaned in for a kiss in that situation.
- Nothing happens if she doesn't hide Dylan, and in the end Sophia admits that she's been a bit paranoid about everything that's happened. Taking a step back, even what happened in the hot tub with Sam could be read the same way. She insisted on hiding or making Sam disappear when **maybe** she could have played it cool and let Sam stand on the other side of the hot tub. When Sam ran for the wall when Liam spotted her, she used reverse psychology to save the day, but maybe the solution was simpler.
All of which is to say that, in a way, it **seems** like Sophia's fault if things snowball out of control in both situations.
Sam Vs Dylan
I think we have all noticed that many things have been reused or are very similar in the development of the two routes. Some of them have already been mentioned above in this post. If you are interested, here is a collection of many of these similarities.
Dylan
There was a lot of discussion and curiosity about how the Sophia/Dylan relationship would have played out and how far they would have gotten given where they were. Given the specificity of the M/S relationship, it was expected that it would be difficult to implement anything that would be believable or different from the usual tropes.
In the end, the sex-ed was the means to convince Sophia to take things further. While the first part of the bath depicted a normal m/s relationship, even with some sweet moments when they both reminisce about old times and cuddle, the main argument for Dylan became that he needed to gain experience with a real woman before he tried to approach Marie/Christine. And he kept insisting on the "as woman and man" thing, rather than "as mother and son". Towards the end of the bath, however, he suddenly explains and confesses his attraction, going back to these childhood episodes.
The end result of this role-play is that Sophia, while worried about his declared feelings for her, starts to see him (again) in a different light.
Python:
"But what shocked her more was that at times it excited her herself and she felt a certain attraction to her son that went beyond the mother-son relationship."
"Which was not least due to his impressive protective behavior in the park the day before, or earlier in Claire's beauty parlor."
"But also the way he talked to her, treated her with so much respect and love, his care for her, and the many compliments he gave her."
"All this made her feel a completely new affection for him that she had never known before."The magazine gig
As we were teased before the release, one of the major revelations of the update was Sophia's secret (short) career as a model for a rather unknown bikini magazine. We even got to see more of Sophia's youth as she recalls her first time. The story already hinted that Sophia had her share of fun in her youth, but she was not as wild as Patricia. She lost her virginity to her boyfriend's father at the age of 17 and had had some heavy petting and other experiences with other guys before that. Here is an approximate timeline of events :
- < 17yo encounters with others BJ/HJ
and did some other minor fashion gigsPython:s "But of course, I had been with some guys before but sexually it never went beyond the so-called 'petting'." ... s "Well, most guys I dated either exploded in their pants or were happy with what I could do with my hands and mouth *smirk*."
Python:s "Back in school, I had appeared in a few fashion magazines. Nothing too serious. And was told I'd have a real future in it." - 17yo first time with Walker (senior year in high school)
Python:s "Well, I was 17 at the time. And it was at the 19th birthday party of my friend Stella." ... s "All right, uh... well, it was my senior year. That particular night, my best friend Violet and I had both been invited to the 19th birthday party of our friend, Stella. Since we could party on throughout the night, we arranged to sleep over." - 19yo almost 20yo, she was already in college, magazine gig
Code:s "Well, what can I say? That was when I was late 19, almost 20. I tried my hand at amateur modeling in college." - late 20s Ellie was born.
While it is now a little clearer what happened at what age, there are two points that lead to the cliffhanger of the event. The magazine is published in July 2002, which in the current story setting (2018) would make Sophia (now 38) 22 at the time of publication. And it is said that she was almost 20 at the time. So **could** the photoshoot have been published much later? This may or may not have something to do with what Dylan discovers about the photographer, a certain Liam Parker...
Obviously this cliffhanger has fired up the imagination and speculation here on the forums. The wildest theory is that the photographer was actually Liam Parker Senior, Liam's father, which would open up an incredible twist to challenge one of those good old Victorian dramas full of . In reality, L&P have already explained that it was Liam and Sophia is just embarrassed to talk about it and that's why she lied to Dylan.
The simplest explanation would be that she lied about Liam not knowing about the magazine, which would be less interesting but more logical.
Otherwise, if Liam does not really know, the question remains as to what she needed the money for. It has been suggested that she might have done it to save Liam (again!) from his gambling problem or even, given the possibility of the late publication of the photos, to get some money for the family they had started (Ellie was already born in 2002). Finally, although Sophia's answer was dismissive, she could have got pregnant during the shoot.
What's next?
Well, part 2, doh!
As mentioned, the next update (v0.190, though not official yet) will conclude the cliffhanger and then Dylan will either go to the party or continue with Sophia, depending on the previous choice (or maybe an explicit choice?).
From the little we know, it will take place both indoors and outdoors, there will be probably another hot-tub event. Sophia and Dylan may go out tograb something to eat, that could be another part of the sex-ed experience with a role-play date.
I guess we will have to wait for the first teaser(s) to have some more insight of what could happen.
There are at least 2 open questions, though:
- Is the cliffhanger just a narrative device to keep attention between updates, or will its resolution play a role in Dylan/Sophia's relationship?
- How will the relationship develop in part 2? Will it still be along the lines of the sex-ed or will something change in the light of Sophia's final feelings?
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Just occurred to me, but I'm fairly sure that Christine goes to Ellie's school and is on the same cheer team, not a student at Dylan's. Unless of course, it's a different Christine.Maybe a bit late, but here is an attempt to unpack what happened in this v0.185.
Let's start with an aspect that has troubled many, myself included, and that is how to play the event.
How to get the event
The event is available in all routes, in the sense that no matter what route you are on, Liam will announce his forfait for the evening and Sophia will talk to Dylan about his plans. If you don't meet some of the required conditions, the event will simply end with Sophia taking a relaxing bath alone.
The conditions for full access to the event, i.e. Dylan joining Sophia for a relaxing bath, are better explained in the walkthrough. The required conditions are
- more than 27 Dylan points, which means she has at least had a bath with Dylan as a Jacuzzi substitute (so she has at least completed the first Aiden task)
- Dylan is not with Emma
- filthy > good_wife as usual for most of the choices
- she must have shown Dylan her breasts in the mall on day 17
- Dylan warned her about her top in Claire's Beauty Parlor: in particular this is used to set Sophia's mood and make her feel more at ease and secure with Dylan:
Python:if day20_Dylan_warns_his_mom_about_slipped_top: pass else: "The embarrassing incident at Claire's had dampened Sophia's spirits a bit." s "I'd rather spend some time alone now, honey. Maybe some other time." "Dylan accepted his mother's decision and left. Sophia got ready for her bath." jump day20_Sophia_relaxes_alone_in_bathtub "The embarrassing incident at Claire's had dampened Sophia's spirits a bit. But the way her son had stood up for her, like he did yesterday in the park while jogging, made her feel a little positive again and she thought that maybe he deserved a little reward."
These conditions allow Dylan to join Sophia. There is another important condition that comes into play during the bath, which is fundamental to fully playing the event:
- Dylan defended Sophia from the homeless in the park the previous day. This is necessary later when Liam interrupts for the first time, Sophia hides him and only under this condition can she take off her top. If she can't, the event ends with a normal bath without any progress. Again this is used to explain Sophia's mood and her feeling towards Dylan:
Python:if day19_Dylan_defeated_hobo: "Sophia closed her eyes and relaxed into the water, feeling the warmth and the closeness of her son." "She felt so comfortable and content in his presence, and it made her feel so loved."
Translated into code, these are the required variables:
Variable Value Meaning dylan>=27minimum to join her in the bathtub Emma_and_Dylan_coupleFalseOtherwise Dylan does not insist on joining her filthy > good_wifeas usual For basically all the most daring options day17_Sophia_shows_Dylan_her_breastsTrueTo let him join in the bathtub day20_Dylan_warns_his_mom_about_slipped_topTrueThese are necessary for Sophia to feel good about Dylan protecting her day19_Dylan_defeated_hoboTrueNecessary to let her feel secure when removing the top when Liam enters
There are other conditions in the event that change some dialogues, but do not (at least at the moment for part 1) affect the outcome of the event:
- Dylan can be invited to Christine party (bonus storyline with Ellie/Christine)
- Dylan can have successfully kissed Marie without cupping her breasts.
This and the previous one have an effect on the dialogues: Dylan will tell Sophia which of the two he is pursuing as a girlfriend. Note that both can be true or both can be false, according to the previous choices, in the first case Maria is chosen, otherwise it's Christine ("a girl from school"). It is not clear if this is an oversight by L&P (bug) or if he designed it that way. We'll see in the next update if he goes back and fixes it or not.
- If in the bikini show alone with Dylan she went with all the swimsuits and he took the pictures, the dialogues are slightly different at the end, when Sophia goes to Dylan's room to ask for an explanation of what she discovered while cleaning: if this is true, she discovered that he had one of the pictures from the fashion show on the computer, otherwise she sees (but it is not shown) an old picture of her in a bikini.
Python:if day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_Dylan: scene day20_Sophia_Dylan_Pt_1 399 s "I happened to see on your screen you kept a picture of me in my bikini!" else: s "I saw on your screen an older photo of me in my bikini in the swimming pool." ... if day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_Dylan: dy "You told me I can keep the pictures and I don't feel bad about having them to look at when I think about you." dy "I don't keep it out for public display. It's only for me." else: dy "It's just a picture from our family album and I don't feel bad about having them to look at when I think about you."
- If the bikini show was done with Sam, Sophia already knows the meaning of MILF and it will just be remembered, otherwise he will try to explain it again.
Python:if day17_Sophia_learned_what_MILF_means: s "Yes we already had that MILF topic. But that's normal for you teenagers. You do talk about other mothers in this way." else: s "What was the meaning of that again?" dy "Of 'MILF'?" s "Yeah." dy "MILF stands for 'Mom I'd Like to... Flirt with.' It's a term that guys use to describe attractive older women." "Sophia smirked" s "I'm pretty sure the 'F' stands for something way different. And we both know what for. *Smirk*" dy "Uh... yep. Well, what can I say? But they say the same things about Zac's mom too, so it's a little 'balanced'."
- If Sophia completes the 4th task in the morning, there will be a slightly different conversation with Dylan.
Python:if day20_Sophia_fulfilled_Aidens_4th_task: s "So... how's school? Are those guys still bothering you?" dy "Mom, I told you it was nothing! Besides, I haven’t even seen them this week." s "That's reassuring!" st "At least this asshole Aiden keeps to the agreement, but it also costs me a high price! But for my son, I would also do anything!" s "How was your Spanish presentation by the way?" dy "B+." s "Muy bien, honey *ha-ha*." s "By the way, I still wanted to thank you for keeping your word and doing so much around the house! You're a real sweetheart!" dy "Mom. I'll do anything for you!" s "Stop sucking up *smirk*."
Here is a short recap for these variables
Variable Value Meaning day20_Christine_invites_Dylan_to_her_partyTrue/False*The alleged girlfriend is Christine instead of Marie (to be seen whether this could prevent Part 2 as Dylan leaves for the party) day20_Dylan_withheld_from_cupping_Maries_boobTrue/False*The alleged girlfriend is Marie instead of Christine day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_DylanTrueOnly more dialogues day17_Sophia_learned_what_MILF_meansTrue/FalseJust dialogues, if bikini show with Sam she knows already the meaning of MILF day20_Sophia_fulfilled_Aidens_4th_taskTrue/FalseJust different dialogue
According to these choices we can note that:
- As expected, Emma's path is not compatible with Sophia/Dylan.
- The event is actually possible in both Christine's and Marie's paths. It was a bit surprising (to me at least) that Christine's path was not mutually exclusive. In retrospect, he actually wrote that Part 2 was an alternative to Christine's and Emma's paths. I was confused too, so apologies if I confused you too in the pre-release recap post..
- Christine's path will be exclusive in part 2. So in this case, part 1 was just a kind of sex-ed to prepare Dylan for the party event.
- The boarding school route is also compatible with the event, but as the fight with the hobos is required to progress and play the full event, it will stop at the first interruption of Liam. Also, given the minimum Dylan points required, she should send him to the boarding school after completing at least the first Aiden's task.
- Sam's route is also compatible, at least for now. **Theoretically**, they should interlock at some point, whether Sophia has to choose or there are other conditions.
- In a way, the cuckold route (if he lets Devon look at her through the robe) is blocked, although cuckold points will be awarded later in the event if he asks her to tell him all the details of their first time. While this may seem an odd choice, it is explained by the fact that she would feel safer with Dylan again if he warned her.
In terms of results, the event can award when fully completed
- 18
filthypoints (in the walkthrough there are 2 points missing if she tells him about her first time)- 20
dylanpoints (again 2 missing for the same choice as above)- 1
dylan_cuckoldif he asks to tell him about her first time.
Obviously, in order to fully play the event, the most daring and lewd choice must be made, with two exceptions (at least for this part, though they may have an effect in part 2)
These are instead all the variables that keep track of what happened
- Sophia does not need to tell him that he could satisfy her, it will just change the dialogues slightly, but not the possibility of progressing in the event (
day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_that_he_could_satisfy_her).- The whole first time thing is completely optional, it will not prevent you from progressing in the event (again, it may have an effect in part 2 or later) (
day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_detailled_about_her_1st_time).
day20_Sophia_took_off_her_top_in_bathtub_when_Liam_enteredday20_Sophia_voluntarily_teased_Dylan_moreday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_touch_her_breastsday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_touch_her_nipplesday20_Sophia_pretends_to_be_college_girl_for_Dylanday20_Sophia_told_Dylan_that_he_could_satisfy_her(optional)day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_detailled_about_her_1st_time(optional)day20_Sophia_teaches_Dylan_how_to_kissday20_Sophia_french_kisses_Dylanday20_Sophia_surrendered_to_Dylans_erotic_massageday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_open_her_top_during_massage
Finally, here is a simplified and up-to-date flowchart to *hopefully* clarify the events of the evening. Note that teasing the boss, Mr Harris, can only happen if Dylan joins Sophia in the bathtub.
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As for the rest of the evening, the **guess** is that v0.190 (part 2) will have a short resolution of the cliffhanger and then, if Dylan is in Christine's route, he will go to the party (v0.195) or he will continue with part 2. L&P announced that Emma's event is likely to be axed to speed up the development and that decision will be probably made with a poll on Patreon.
As a minor technical note, be aware that this update switched to the new version renpy 8. The old saves still works, there might be some problem for older 32 bit hardware to play the videos and here is a possible solution.
Teasing Mr. Harris
As mentioned before, the teasing is Sophia's choice and can only happen if she allows Dylan to join her in the relaxing bath. In this context, it seemed normal that there was no reference to what happened the day before in the office when he caught her in the skimpy dress. That happened in the good wife's path. Probably, apart from "teaching Liam a lesson", it **could** also be a way of setting up a future event involving the Boss, which can happen on both paths. The official walkthrough for that event mentioned that
Interruption™
We got two interruptions (like Sam's event) from Liam, a sort of trademark for AWAM. And of course there was another "behind the curtain/door" moment to add to the long list of similar situations.
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And, while on the subject, why Liam needed to take the hand cream from the bathroom?... Weren't they watching a football game?
Liam's interruption gives Sophia the choice of either playing it cool and letting him know that Dylan is there, or hiding Dylan behind the curtain. PTwo comments about this situation:
- If she hides Dylan then Liam says nothing if she keeps the bikini on and he makes no mention of what happened with Mr Harris a few minutes earlier. It has also been pointed out that the average husband would have leaned in for a kiss in that situation.
- Nothing happens if she doesn't hide Dylan, and in the end Sophia admits that she's been a bit paranoid about everything that's happened. Taking a step back, even what happened in the hot tub with Sam could be read the same way. She insisted on hiding or making Sam disappear when **maybe** she could have played it cool and let Sam stand on the other side of the hot tub. When Sam ran for the wall when Liam spotted her, she used reverse psychology to save the day, but maybe the solution was simpler.
All of which is to say that, in a way, it **seems** like Sophia's fault if things snowball out of control in both situations.
Sam Vs Dylan
I think we have all noticed that many things have been reused or are very similar in the development of the two routes. Some of them have already been mentioned above in this post. If you are interested, here is a collection of many of these similarities.
Dylan
There was a lot of discussion and curiosity about how the Sophia/Dylan relationship would have played out and how far they would have gotten given where they were. Given the specificity of the M/S relationship, it was expected that it would be difficult to implement anything that would be believable or different from the usual tropes.
In the end, the sex-ed was the means to convince Sophia to take things further. While the first part of the bath depicted a normal m/s relationship, even with some sweet moments when they both reminisce about old times and cuddle, the main argument for Dylan became that he needed to gain experience with a real woman before he tried to approach Marie/Christine. And he kept insisting on the "as woman and man" thing, rather than "as mother and son". Towards the end of the bath, however, he suddenly explains and confesses his attraction, going back to these childhood episodes.
The end result of this role-play is that Sophia, while worried about his declared feelings for her, starts to see him (again) in a different light.
As a frivolous side note, maybe for the first time, there was not a single lip-biting moment for Sophia!Python:"But what shocked her more was that at times it excited her herself and she felt a certain attraction to her son that went beyond the mother-son relationship." "Which was not least due to his impressive protective behavior in the park the day before, or earlier in Claire's beauty parlor." "But also the way he talked to her, treated her with so much respect and love, his care for her, and the many compliments he gave her." "All this made her feel a completely new affection for him that she had never known before."
The magazine gig
As we were teased before the release, one of the major revelations of the update was Sophia's secret (short) career as a model for a rather unknown bikini magazine. We even got to see more of Sophia's youth as she recalls her first time. The story already hinted that Sophia had her share of fun in her youth, but she was not as wild as Patricia. She lost her virginity to her boyfriend's father at the age of 17 and had had some heavy petting and other experiences with other guys before that. Here is an approximate timeline of events :
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- < 17yo encounters with others BJ/HJ
and did some other minor fashion gigsPython:s "But of course, I had been with some guys before but sexually it never went beyond the so-called 'petting'." ... s "Well, most guys I dated either exploded in their pants or were happy with what I could do with my hands and mouth *smirk*."
Python:s "Back in school, I had appeared in a few fashion magazines. Nothing too serious. And was told I'd have a real future in it."- 17yo first time with Walker (senior year in high school)
Python:s "Well, I was 17 at the time. And it was at the 19th birthday party of my friend Stella." ... s "All right, uh... well, it was my senior year. That particular night, my best friend Violet and I had both been invited to the 19th birthday party of our friend, Stella. Since we could party on throughout the night, we arranged to sleep over."- 19yo almost 20yo, she was already in college, magazine gig
Code:s "Well, what can I say? That was when I was late 19, almost 20. I tried my hand at amateur modeling in college."- late 20s Ellie was born.
While it is now a little clearer what happened at what age, there are two points that lead to the cliffhanger of the event. The magazine is published in July 2002, which in the current story setting (2018) would make Sophia (now 38) 22 at the time of publication. And it is said that she was almost 20 at the time. So **could** the photoshoot have been published much later? This may or may not have something to do with what Dylan discovers about the photographer, a certain Liam Parker...
Obviously this cliffhanger has fired up the imagination and speculation here on the forums. The wildest theory is that the photographer was actually Liam Parker Senior, Liam's father, which would open up an incredible twist to challenge one of those good old Victorian dramas full of . In reality, L&P have already explained that it was Liam and Sophia is just embarrassed to talk about it and that's why she lied to Dylan.
The simplest explanation would be that she lied about Liam not knowing about the magazine, which would be less interesting but more logical.
Otherwise, if Liam does not really know, the question remains as to what she needed the money for. It has been suggested that she might have done it to save Liam (again!) from his gambling problem or even, given the possibility of the late publication of the photos, to get some money for the family they had started (Ellie was already born in 2002). Finally, although Sophia's answer was dismissive, she could have got pregnant during the shoot.
What's next?
Well, part 2, doh!
As mentioned, the next update (v0.190, though not official yet) will conclude the cliffhanger and then Dylan will either go to the party or continue with Sophia, depending on the previous choice (or maybe an explicit choice?).
From the little we know, it will take place bothindoors and outdoors, there will be probably another hot-tub event. Sophia and Dylan may go out to[URL='https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-offtopic-discussion.111628/post-10250076']grab something to eat, that could be another part of the sex-ed experience with a role-play date.
I guess we will have to wait for the first teaser(s) to have some more insight of what could happen.
There are at least 2 open questions, though:
- Is the cliffhanger just a narrative device to keep attention between updates, or will its resolution play a role in Dylan/Sophia's relationship?
- How will the relationship develop in part 2? Will it still be along the lines of the sex-ed or will something change in the light of Sophia's final feelings?
From the scene on day 3:
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Hmm more than a week. He must be extra tired.
Or maybe he's setting up the animation for the next update because that sure worked well to speed up the last update....
Or maybe he's just full of shit
Or maybe he's setting up the animation for the next update because that sure worked well to speed up the last update....
Or maybe he's just full of shit
Are those timelines right, I can't see Sophia being 40 or over.Maybe a bit late, but here is an attempt to unpack what happened in this v0.185.
Let's start with an aspect that has troubled many, myself included, and that is how to play the event.
How to get the event
The event is available in all routes, in the sense that no matter what route you are on, Liam will announce his forfait for the evening and Sophia will talk to Dylan about his plans. If you don't meet some of the required conditions, the event will simply end with Sophia taking a relaxing bath alone.
The conditions for full access to the event, i.e. Dylan joining Sophia for a relaxing bath, are better explained in the walkthrough. The required conditions are
- more than 27 Dylan points, which means she has at least had a bath with Dylan as a Jacuzzi substitute (so she has at least completed the first Aiden task)
- Dylan is not with Emma
- filthy > good_wife as usual for most of the choices
- she must have shown Dylan her breasts in the mall on day 17
- Dylan warned her about her top in Claire's Beauty Parlor: in particular this is used to set Sophia's mood and make her feel more at ease and secure with Dylan:
Python:if day20_Dylan_warns_his_mom_about_slipped_top: pass else: "The embarrassing incident at Claire's had dampened Sophia's spirits a bit." s "I'd rather spend some time alone now, honey. Maybe some other time." "Dylan accepted his mother's decision and left. Sophia got ready for her bath." jump day20_Sophia_relaxes_alone_in_bathtub "The embarrassing incident at Claire's had dampened Sophia's spirits a bit. But the way her son had stood up for her, like he did yesterday in the park while jogging, made her feel a little positive again and she thought that maybe he deserved a little reward."
These conditions allow Dylan to join Sophia. There is another important condition that comes into play during the bath, which is fundamental to fully playing the event:
- Dylan defended Sophia from the homeless in the park the previous day. This is necessary later when Liam interrupts for the first time, Sophia hides him and only under this condition can she take off her top. If she can't, the event ends with a normal bath without any progress. Again this is used to explain Sophia's mood and her feeling towards Dylan:
Python:if day19_Dylan_defeated_hobo: "Sophia closed her eyes and relaxed into the water, feeling the warmth and the closeness of her son." "She felt so comfortable and content in his presence, and it made her feel so loved."
Translated into code, these are the required variables:
Variable Value Meaning dylan>=27minimum to join her in the bathtub Emma_and_Dylan_coupleFalseOtherwise Dylan does not insist on joining her filthy > good_wifeas usual For basically all the most daring options day17_Sophia_shows_Dylan_her_breastsTrueTo let him join in the bathtub day20_Dylan_warns_his_mom_about_slipped_topTrueThese are necessary for Sophia to feel good about Dylan protecting her day19_Dylan_defeated_hoboTrueNecessary to let her feel secure when removing the top when Liam enters
There are other conditions in the event that change some dialogues, but do not (at least at the moment for part 1) affect the outcome of the event:
- Dylan can be invited to Christine party (bonus storyline with Ellie/Christine)
- Dylan can have successfully kissed Marie without cupping her breasts.
This and the previous one have an effect on the dialogues: Dylan will tell Sophia which of the two he is pursuing as a girlfriend. Note that both can be true or both can be false, according to the previous choices, in the first case Maria is chosen, otherwise it's Christine ("a girl from school"). It is not clear if this is an oversight by L&P (bug) or if he designed it that way. We'll see in the next update if he goes back and fixes it or not.
- If in the bikini show alone with Dylan she went with all the swimsuits and he took the pictures, the dialogues are slightly different at the end, when Sophia goes to Dylan's room to ask for an explanation of what she discovered while cleaning: if this is true, she discovered that he had one of the pictures from the fashion show on the computer, otherwise she sees (but it is not shown) an old picture of her in a bikini.
Python:if day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_Dylan: scene day20_Sophia_Dylan_Pt_1 399 s "I happened to see on your screen you kept a picture of me in my bikini!" else: s "I saw on your screen an older photo of me in my bikini in the swimming pool." ... if day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_Dylan: dy "You told me I can keep the pictures and I don't feel bad about having them to look at when I think about you." dy "I don't keep it out for public display. It's only for me." else: dy "It's just a picture from our family album and I don't feel bad about having them to look at when I think about you."
- If the bikini show was done with Sam, Sophia already knows the meaning of MILF and it will just be remembered, otherwise he will try to explain it again.
Python:if day17_Sophia_learned_what_MILF_means: s "Yes we already had that MILF topic. But that's normal for you teenagers. You do talk about other mothers in this way." else: s "What was the meaning of that again?" dy "Of 'MILF'?" s "Yeah." dy "MILF stands for 'Mom I'd Like to... Flirt with.' It's a term that guys use to describe attractive older women." "Sophia smirked" s "I'm pretty sure the 'F' stands for something way different. And we both know what for. *Smirk*" dy "Uh... yep. Well, what can I say? But they say the same things about Zac's mom too, so it's a little 'balanced'."
- If Sophia completes the 4th task in the morning, there will be a slightly different conversation with Dylan.
Python:if day20_Sophia_fulfilled_Aidens_4th_task: s "So... how's school? Are those guys still bothering you?" dy "Mom, I told you it was nothing! Besides, I haven’t even seen them this week." s "That's reassuring!" st "At least this asshole Aiden keeps to the agreement, but it also costs me a high price! But for my son, I would also do anything!" s "How was your Spanish presentation by the way?" dy "B+." s "Muy bien, honey *ha-ha*." s "By the way, I still wanted to thank you for keeping your word and doing so much around the house! You're a real sweetheart!" dy "Mom. I'll do anything for you!" s "Stop sucking up *smirk*."
Here is a short recap for these variables
Variable Value Meaning day20_Christine_invites_Dylan_to_her_partyTrue/False*The alleged girlfriend is Christine instead of Marie (to be seen whether this could prevent Part 2 as Dylan leaves for the party) day20_Dylan_withheld_from_cupping_Maries_boobTrue/False*The alleged girlfriend is Marie instead of Christine day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_DylanTrueOnly more dialogues day17_Sophia_learned_what_MILF_meansTrue/FalseJust dialogues, if bikini show with Sam she knows already the meaning of MILF day20_Sophia_fulfilled_Aidens_4th_taskTrue/FalseJust different dialogue
According to these choices we can note that:
- As expected, Emma's path is not compatible with Sophia/Dylan.
- The event is actually possible in both Christine's and Marie's paths. It was a bit surprising (to me at least) that Christine's path was not mutually exclusive. In retrospect, he actually wrote that Part 2 was an alternative to Christine's and Emma's paths. I was confused too, so apologies if I confused you too in the pre-release recap post..
- Christine's path will be exclusive in part 2. So in this case, part 1 was just a kind of sex-ed to prepare Dylan for the party event.
- The boarding school route is also compatible with the event, but as the fight with the hobos is required to progress and play the full event, it will stop at the first interruption of Liam. Also, given the minimum Dylan points required, she should send him to the boarding school after completing at least the first Aiden's task.
- Sam's route is also compatible, at least for now. **Theoretically**, they should interlock at some point, whether Sophia has to choose or there are other conditions.
- In a way, the cuckold route (if he lets Devon look at her through the robe) is blocked, although cuckold points will be awarded later in the event if he asks her to tell him all the details of their first time. While this may seem an odd choice, it is explained by the fact that she would feel safer with Dylan again if he warned her.
In terms of results, the event can award when fully completed
- 18
filthypoints (in the walkthrough there are 2 points missing if she tells him about her first time)- 20
dylanpoints (again 2 missing for the same choice as above)- 1
dylan_cuckoldif he asks to tell him about her first time.
Obviously, in order to fully play the event, the most daring and lewd choice must be made, with two exceptions (at least for this part, though they may have an effect in part 2)
These are instead all the variables that keep track of what happened
- Sophia does not need to tell him that he could satisfy her, it will just change the dialogues slightly, but not the possibility of progressing in the event (
day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_that_he_could_satisfy_her).- The whole first time thing is completely optional, it will not prevent you from progressing in the event (again, it may have an effect in part 2 or later) (
day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_detailled_about_her_1st_time).
day20_Sophia_took_off_her_top_in_bathtub_when_Liam_enteredday20_Sophia_voluntarily_teased_Dylan_moreday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_touch_her_breastsday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_touch_her_nipplesday20_Sophia_pretends_to_be_college_girl_for_Dylanday20_Sophia_told_Dylan_that_he_could_satisfy_her(optional)day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_detailled_about_her_1st_time(optional)day20_Sophia_teaches_Dylan_how_to_kissday20_Sophia_french_kisses_Dylanday20_Sophia_surrendered_to_Dylans_erotic_massageday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_open_her_top_during_massage
Finally, here is a simplified and up-to-date flowchart to *hopefully* clarify the events of the evening. Note that teasing the boss, Mr Harris, can only happen if Dylan joins Sophia in the bathtub.
View attachment 2604045
As for the rest of the evening, the **guess** is that v0.190 (part 2) will have a short resolution of the cliffhanger and then, if Dylan is in Christine's route, he will go to the party (v0.195) or he will continue with part 2. L&P announced that Emma's event is likely to be axed to speed up the development and that decision will be probably made with a poll on Patreon.
As a minor technical note, be aware that this update switched to the new version renpy 8. The old saves still works, there might be some problem for older 32 bit hardware to play the videos and here is a possible solution.
Teasing Mr. Harris
As mentioned before, the teasing is Sophia's choice and can only happen if she allows Dylan to join her in the relaxing bath. In this context, it seemed normal that there was no reference to what happened the day before in the office when he caught her in the skimpy dress. That happened in the good wife's path. Probably, apart from "teaching Liam a lesson", it **could** also be a way of setting up a future event involving the Boss, which can happen on both paths. The official walkthrough for that event mentioned that
Interruption™
We got two interruptions (like Sam's event) from Liam, a sort of trademark for AWAM. And of course there was another "behind the curtain/door" moment to add to the long list of similar situations.
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And, while on the subject, why Liam needed to take the hand cream from the bathroom?... Weren't they watching a football game?
Liam's interruption gives Sophia the choice of either playing it cool and letting him know that Dylan is there, or hiding Dylan behind the curtain. PTwo comments about this situation:
- If she hides Dylan then Liam says nothing if she keeps the bikini on and he makes no mention of what happened with Mr Harris a few minutes earlier. It has also been pointed out that the average husband would have leaned in for a kiss in that situation.
- Nothing happens if she doesn't hide Dylan, and in the end Sophia admits that she's been a bit paranoid about everything that's happened. Taking a step back, even what happened in the hot tub with Sam could be read the same way. She insisted on hiding or making Sam disappear when **maybe** she could have played it cool and let Sam stand on the other side of the hot tub. When Sam ran for the wall when Liam spotted her, she used reverse psychology to save the day, but maybe the solution was simpler.
All of which is to say that, in a way, it **seems** like Sophia's fault if things snowball out of control in both situations.
Sam Vs Dylan
I think we have all noticed that many things have been reused or are very similar in the development of the two routes. Some of them have already been mentioned above in this post. If you are interested, here is a collection of many of these similarities.
Dylan
There was a lot of discussion and curiosity about how the Sophia/Dylan relationship would have played out and how far they would have gotten given where they were. Given the specificity of the M/S relationship, it was expected that it would be difficult to implement anything that would be believable or different from the usual tropes.
In the end, the sex-ed was the means to convince Sophia to take things further. While the first part of the bath depicted a normal m/s relationship, even with some sweet moments when they both reminisce about old times and cuddle, the main argument for Dylan became that he needed to gain experience with a real woman before he tried to approach Marie/Christine. And he kept insisting on the "as woman and man" thing, rather than "as mother and son". Towards the end of the bath, however, he suddenly explains and confesses his attraction, going back to these childhood episodes.
The end result of this role-play is that Sophia, while worried about his declared feelings for her, starts to see him (again) in a different light.
As a frivolous side note, maybe for the first time, there was not a single lip-biting moment for Sophia!Python:"But what shocked her more was that at times it excited her herself and she felt a certain attraction to her son that went beyond the mother-son relationship." "Which was not least due to his impressive protective behavior in the park the day before, or earlier in Claire's beauty parlor." "But also the way he talked to her, treated her with so much respect and love, his care for her, and the many compliments he gave her." "All this made her feel a completely new affection for him that she had never known before."
The magazine gig
As we were teased before the release, one of the major revelations of the update was Sophia's secret (short) career as a model for a rather unknown bikini magazine. We even got to see more of Sophia's youth as she recalls her first time. The story already hinted that Sophia had her share of fun in her youth, but she was not as wild as Patricia. She lost her virginity to her boyfriend's father at the age of 17 and had had some heavy petting and other experiences with other guys before that. Here is an approximate timeline of events :
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- < 17yo encounters with others BJ/HJ
and did some other minor fashion gigsPython:s "But of course, I had been with some guys before but sexually it never went beyond the so-called 'petting'." ... s "Well, most guys I dated either exploded in their pants or were happy with what I could do with my hands and mouth *smirk*."
Python:s "Back in school, I had appeared in a few fashion magazines. Nothing too serious. And was told I'd have a real future in it."- 17yo first time with Walker (senior year in high school)
Python:s "Well, I was 17 at the time. And it was at the 19th birthday party of my friend Stella." ... s "All right, uh... well, it was my senior year. That particular night, my best friend Violet and I had both been invited to the 19th birthday party of our friend, Stella. Since we could party on throughout the night, we arranged to sleep over."- 19yo almost 20yo, she was already in college, magazine gig
Code:s "Well, what can I say? That was when I was late 19, almost 20. I tried my hand at amateur modeling in college."- late 20s Ellie was born.
While it is now a little clearer what happened at what age, there are two points that lead to the cliffhanger of the event. The magazine is published in July 2002, which in the current story setting (2018) would make Sophia (now 38) 22 at the time of publication. And it is said that she was almost 20 at the time. So **could** the photoshoot have been published much later? This may or may not have something to do with what Dylan discovers about the photographer, a certain Liam Parker...
Obviously this cliffhanger has fired up the imagination and speculation here on the forums. The wildest theory is that the photographer was actually Liam Parker Senior, Liam's father, which would open up an incredible twist to challenge one of those good old Victorian dramas full of . In reality, L&P have already explained that it was Liam and Sophia is just embarrassed to talk about it and that's why she lied to Dylan.
The simplest explanation would be that she lied about Liam not knowing about the magazine, which would be less interesting but more logical.
Otherwise, if Liam does not really know, the question remains as to what she needed the money for. It has been suggested that she might have done it to save Liam (again!) from his gambling problem or even, given the possibility of the late publication of the photos, to get some money for the family they had started (Ellie was already born in 2002). Finally, although Sophia's answer was dismissive, she could have got pregnant during the shoot.
What's next?
Well, part 2, doh!
As mentioned, the next update (v0.190, though not official yet) will conclude the cliffhanger and then Dylan will either go to the party or continue with Sophia, depending on the previous choice (or maybe an explicit choice?).
From the little we know, it will take place bothindoors and outdoors, there will be probably another hot-tub event. Sophia and Dylan may go out to[URL='https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-offtopic-discussion.111628/post-10250076']grab something to eat, that could be another part of the sex-ed experience with a role-play date.
I guess we will have to wait for the first teaser(s) to have some more insight of what could happen.
There are at least 2 open questions, though:
- Is the cliffhanger just a narrative device to keep attention between updates, or will its resolution play a role in Dylan/Sophia's relationship?
- How will the relationship develop in part 2? Will it still be along the lines of the sex-ed or will something change in the light of Sophia's final feelings?
That's what he explains in the walkthrough. For some reason, Dylan does not want to let her know she is THAT Christine
In the code, for the dialogues, it always checks Marie's variable first, and if not, it falls back on Christine, regardless of whether he has been invited to Christine party or not.
It **could** be also a way for Dylan to make it up a story about some girl named Christine if he is not in her route.
She is 38, Ellie 18 so she had her when she was in her 20.
We know she did the photoshoot in her late 19, almost 20. That timeline is approximate in that the events are not accurate to the day or the month, so cum grano salis as usual
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funny Sophie was a Model in her twenties and now i she is like oh no i can´t see my self doing that
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I actually liked everything (give or take) up until the most recent tutoring event. That event pushed up against the upper limit of realism and accomplished yet another high degree of teasing and seduction without compromising already established character values and beliefs. Afterward Dylan randomly gets a handjob at the dining room while everyone else just sits there...? What? The Sam event was cool with good animations and the dialogue wasn't as bad as it could've been, but this most recent event - and I am team Dylan all the way - was so corny/cheesy. Dylan has been a manipulator from day one. He basically blackmailed his mother into a photoshoot, touching her boob, ass at the beach, watching her get dressed and has kind of been a little shit - THE WHOLE GAME. Yet now he's trying to seduce and romanticize Sophia? It doesn't even fit with the previous...what...8 years of game development? Like wtf was this shit?
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L&P has among, if not the, best graphics in any AVN ever. His animations are also among the best. Up until recently even his story was solid and top tier, however, that has changed DRASTICALLY. This is quickly devolving into a raunchy porno game where there's common sense and realism have no place. And you know what - that's fine. BUT the game can't take 24 weeks for 200 images if the quality of the plot is C or C+ even with A or A+ graphics. L&P is ignorant to suggestions or criticism and his treasured game/project is and will suffer progressively because of that.
A damn shame. Hopefully he lets everything unwind and Sophia starts banging the mail man next because the school janitor switched out his plumber handle with a dildo then mailed it to her. That makes about as much sense as the most recent update anyway
I seem to remember that L&P has lifted the whole story setting from 2017, when AWAM started, to 2022. This was first indicated in the PD1 remake, with the film being screened on the plane shown to be 2022's Dune. Somewhere he mentioned bringing it 'up to date.' This could have been a big thing but with all the other reverse engineering of personalities, altered life stories, plot holes & general jerking around going on, it pales into insignificance. Maybe if it continues for the amount of time required to finish, given the current development pace, he can move the whole story to 2063 but then he'd need to change the fashions, vehicles, household furnishings, phones, technology & much more..... Just think, Dylan could have a jet-pack & a flying car.Maybe a bit late, but here is an attempt to unpack what happened in this v0.185.
Let's start with an aspect that has troubled many, myself included, and that is how to play the event.
How to get the event
The event is available in all routes, in the sense that no matter what route you are on, Liam will announce his forfait for the evening and Sophia will talk to Dylan about his plans. If you don't meet some of the required conditions, the event will simply end with Sophia taking a relaxing bath alone.
The conditions for full access to the event, i.e. Dylan joining Sophia for a relaxing bath, are better explained in the walkthrough. The required conditions are
- more than 27 Dylan points, which means she has at least had a bath with Dylan as a Jacuzzi substitute (so she has at least completed the first Aiden task)
- Dylan is not with Emma
- filthy > good_wife as usual for most of the choices
- she must have shown Dylan her breasts in the mall on day 17
- Dylan warned her about her top in Claire's Beauty Parlor: in particular this is used to set Sophia's mood and make her feel more at ease and secure with Dylan:
Python:if day20_Dylan_warns_his_mom_about_slipped_top: pass else: "The embarrassing incident at Claire's had dampened Sophia's spirits a bit." s "I'd rather spend some time alone now, honey. Maybe some other time." "Dylan accepted his mother's decision and left. Sophia got ready for her bath." jump day20_Sophia_relaxes_alone_in_bathtub "The embarrassing incident at Claire's had dampened Sophia's spirits a bit. But the way her son had stood up for her, like he did yesterday in the park while jogging, made her feel a little positive again and she thought that maybe he deserved a little reward."
These conditions allow Dylan to join Sophia. There is another important condition that comes into play during the bath, which is fundamental to fully playing the event:
- Dylan defended Sophia from the homeless in the park the previous day. This is necessary later when Liam interrupts for the first time, Sophia hides him and only under this condition can she take off her top. If she can't, the event ends with a normal bath without any progress. Again this is used to explain Sophia's mood and her feeling towards Dylan:
Python:if day19_Dylan_defeated_hobo: "Sophia closed her eyes and relaxed into the water, feeling the warmth and the closeness of her son." "She felt so comfortable and content in his presence, and it made her feel so loved."
Translated into code, these are the required variables:
Variable Value Meaning dylan>=27minimum to join her in the bathtub Emma_and_Dylan_coupleFalseOtherwise Dylan does not insist on joining her filthy > good_wifeas usual For basically all the most daring options day17_Sophia_shows_Dylan_her_breastsTrueTo let him join in the bathtub day20_Dylan_warns_his_mom_about_slipped_topTrueThese are necessary for Sophia to feel good about Dylan protecting her day19_Dylan_defeated_hoboTrueNecessary to let her feel secure when removing the top when Liam enters
There are other conditions in the event that change some dialogues, but do not (at least at the moment for part 1) affect the outcome of the event:
- Dylan can be invited to Christine party (bonus storyline with Ellie/Christine)
- Dylan can have successfully kissed Marie without cupping her breasts.
This and the previous one have an effect on the dialogues: Dylan will tell Sophia which of the two he is pursuing as a girlfriend. Note that both can be true or both can be false, according to the previous choices, in the first case Maria is chosen, otherwise it's Christine ("a girl from school"). It is not clear if this is an oversight by L&P (bug) or if he designed it that way. We'll see in the next update if he goes back and fixes it or not.
- If in the bikini show alone with Dylan she went with all the swimsuits and he took the pictures, the dialogues are slightly different at the end, when Sophia goes to Dylan's room to ask for an explanation of what she discovered while cleaning: if this is true, she discovered that he had one of the pictures from the fashion show on the computer, otherwise she sees (but it is not shown) an old picture of her in a bikini.
Python:if day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_Dylan: scene day20_Sophia_Dylan_Pt_1 399 s "I happened to see on your screen you kept a picture of me in my bikini!" else: s "I saw on your screen an older photo of me in my bikini in the swimming pool." ... if day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_Dylan: dy "You told me I can keep the pictures and I don't feel bad about having them to look at when I think about you." dy "I don't keep it out for public display. It's only for me." else: dy "It's just a picture from our family album and I don't feel bad about having them to look at when I think about you."
- If the bikini show was done with Sam, Sophia already knows the meaning of MILF and it will just be remembered, otherwise he will try to explain it again.
Python:if day17_Sophia_learned_what_MILF_means: s "Yes we already had that MILF topic. But that's normal for you teenagers. You do talk about other mothers in this way." else: s "What was the meaning of that again?" dy "Of 'MILF'?" s "Yeah." dy "MILF stands for 'Mom I'd Like to... Flirt with.' It's a term that guys use to describe attractive older women." "Sophia smirked" s "I'm pretty sure the 'F' stands for something way different. And we both know what for. *Smirk*" dy "Uh... yep. Well, what can I say? But they say the same things about Zac's mom too, so it's a little 'balanced'."
- If Sophia completes the 4th task in the morning, there will be a slightly different conversation with Dylan.
Python:if day20_Sophia_fulfilled_Aidens_4th_task: s "So... how's school? Are those guys still bothering you?" dy "Mom, I told you it was nothing! Besides, I haven’t even seen them this week." s "That's reassuring!" st "At least this asshole Aiden keeps to the agreement, but it also costs me a high price! But for my son, I would also do anything!" s "How was your Spanish presentation by the way?" dy "B+." s "Muy bien, honey *ha-ha*." s "By the way, I still wanted to thank you for keeping your word and doing so much around the house! You're a real sweetheart!" dy "Mom. I'll do anything for you!" s "Stop sucking up *smirk*."
Here is a short recap for these variables
Variable Value Meaning day20_Christine_invites_Dylan_to_her_partyTrue/False*The alleged girlfriend is Christine instead of Marie (to be seen whether this could prevent Part 2 as Dylan leaves for the party) day20_Dylan_withheld_from_cupping_Maries_boobTrue/False*The alleged girlfriend is Marie instead of Christine day17_Sophia_finishes_3rd_bikini_tasks_for_DylanTrueOnly more dialogues day17_Sophia_learned_what_MILF_meansTrue/FalseJust dialogues, if bikini show with Sam she knows already the meaning of MILF day20_Sophia_fulfilled_Aidens_4th_taskTrue/FalseJust different dialogue
According to these choices we can note that:
- As expected, Emma's path is not compatible with Sophia/Dylan.
- The event is actually possible in both Christine's and Marie's paths. It was a bit surprising (to me at least) that Christine's path was not mutually exclusive. In retrospect, he actually wrote that Part 2 was an alternative to Christine's and Emma's paths. I was confused too, so apologies if I confused you too in the pre-release recap post..
- Christine's path will be exclusive in part 2. So in this case, part 1 was just a kind of sex-ed to prepare Dylan for the party event.
- The boarding school route is also compatible with the event, but as the fight with the hobos is required to progress and play the full event, it will stop at the first interruption of Liam. Also, given the minimum Dylan points required, she should send him to the boarding school after completing at least the first Aiden's task.
- Sam's route is also compatible, at least for now. **Theoretically**, they should interlock at some point, whether Sophia has to choose or there are other conditions.
- In a way, the cuckold route (if he lets Devon look at her through the robe) is blocked, although cuckold points will be awarded later in the event if he asks her to tell him all the details of their first time. While this may seem an odd choice, it is explained by the fact that she would feel safer with Dylan again if he warned her.
In terms of results, the event can award when fully completed
- 18
filthypoints (in the walkthrough there are 2 points missing if she tells him about her first time)- 20
dylanpoints (again 2 missing for the same choice as above)- 1
dylan_cuckoldif he asks to tell him about her first time.
Obviously, in order to fully play the event, the most daring and lewd choice must be made, with two exceptions (at least for this part, though they may have an effect in part 2)
These are instead all the variables that keep track of what happened
- Sophia does not need to tell him that he could satisfy her, it will just change the dialogues slightly, but not the possibility of progressing in the event (
day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_that_he_could_satisfy_her).- The whole first time thing is completely optional, it will not prevent you from progressing in the event (again, it may have an effect in part 2 or later) (
day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_detailled_about_her_1st_time).
day20_Sophia_took_off_her_top_in_bathtub_when_Liam_enteredday20_Sophia_voluntarily_teased_Dylan_moreday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_touch_her_breastsday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_touch_her_nipplesday20_Sophia_pretends_to_be_college_girl_for_Dylanday20_Sophia_told_Dylan_that_he_could_satisfy_her(optional)day20_Sophia_told_Dylan_detailled_about_her_1st_time(optional)day20_Sophia_teaches_Dylan_how_to_kissday20_Sophia_french_kisses_Dylanday20_Sophia_surrendered_to_Dylans_erotic_massageday20_Sophia_let_Dylan_open_her_top_during_massage
Finally, here is a simplified and up-to-date flowchart to *hopefully* clarify the events of the evening. Note that teasing the boss, Mr Harris, can only happen if Dylan joins Sophia in the bathtub.
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As for the rest of the evening, the **guess** is that v0.190 (part 2) will have a short resolution of the cliffhanger and then, if Dylan is in Christine's route, he will go to the party (v0.195) or he will continue with part 2. L&P announced that Emma's event is likely to be axed to speed up the development and that decision will be probably made with a poll on Patreon.
As a minor technical note, be aware that this update switched to the new version renpy 8. The old saves still works, there might be some problem for older 32 bit hardware to play the videos and here is a possible solution.
Teasing Mr. Harris
As mentioned before, the teasing is Sophia's choice and can only happen if she allows Dylan to join her in the relaxing bath. In this context, it seemed normal that there was no reference to what happened the day before in the office when he caught her in the skimpy dress. That happened in the good wife's path. Probably, apart from "teaching Liam a lesson", it **could** also be a way of setting up a future event involving the Boss, which can happen on both paths. The official walkthrough for that event mentioned that
Interruption™
We got two interruptions (like Sam's event) from Liam, a sort of trademark for AWAM. And of course there was another "behind the curtain/door" moment to add to the long list of similar situations.
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And, while on the subject, why Liam needed to take the hand cream from the bathroom?... Weren't they watching a football game?
Liam's interruption gives Sophia the choice of either playing it cool and letting him know that Dylan is there, or hiding Dylan behind the curtain. PTwo comments about this situation:
- If she hides Dylan then Liam says nothing if she keeps the bikini on and he makes no mention of what happened with Mr Harris a few minutes earlier. It has also been pointed out that the average husband would have leaned in for a kiss in that situation.
- Nothing happens if she doesn't hide Dylan, and in the end Sophia admits that she's been a bit paranoid about everything that's happened. Taking a step back, even what happened in the hot tub with Sam could be read the same way. She insisted on hiding or making Sam disappear when **maybe** she could have played it cool and let Sam stand on the other side of the hot tub. When Sam ran for the wall when Liam spotted her, she used reverse psychology to save the day, but maybe the solution was simpler.
All of which is to say that, in a way, it **seems** like Sophia's fault if things snowball out of control in both situations.
Sam Vs Dylan
I think we have all noticed that many things have been reused or are very similar in the development of the two routes. Some of them have already been mentioned above in this post. If you are interested, here is a collection of many of these similarities.
Dylan
There was a lot of discussion and curiosity about how the Sophia/Dylan relationship would have played out and how far they would have gotten given where they were. Given the specificity of the M/S relationship, it was expected that it would be difficult to implement anything that would be believable or different from the usual tropes.
In the end, the sex-ed was the means to convince Sophia to take things further. While the first part of the bath depicted a normal m/s relationship, even with some sweet moments when they both reminisce about old times and cuddle, the main argument for Dylan became that he needed to gain experience with a real woman before he tried to approach Marie/Christine. And he kept insisting on the "as woman and man" thing, rather than "as mother and son". Towards the end of the bath, however, he suddenly explains and confesses his attraction, going back to these childhood episodes.
The end result of this role-play is that Sophia, while worried about his declared feelings for her, starts to see him (again) in a different light.
As a frivolous side note, maybe for the first time, there was not a single lip-biting moment for Sophia!Python:"But what shocked her more was that at times it excited her herself and she felt a certain attraction to her son that went beyond the mother-son relationship." "Which was not least due to his impressive protective behavior in the park the day before, or earlier in Claire's beauty parlor." "But also the way he talked to her, treated her with so much respect and love, his care for her, and the many compliments he gave her." "All this made her feel a completely new affection for him that she had never known before."
The magazine gig
As we were teased before the release, one of the major revelations of the update was Sophia's secret (short) career as a model for a rather unknown bikini magazine. We even got to see more of Sophia's youth as she recalls her first time. The story already hinted that Sophia had her share of fun in her youth, but she was not as wild as Patricia. She lost her virginity to her boyfriend's father at the age of 17 and had had some heavy petting and other experiences with other guys before that. Here is an approximate timeline of events :
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and did some other minor fashion gigsPython:s "But of course, I had been with some guys before but sexually it never went beyond the so-called 'petting'." ... s "Well, most guys I dated either exploded in their pants or were happy with what I could do with my hands and mouth *smirk*."
Python:s "Back in school, I had appeared in a few fashion magazines. Nothing too serious. And was told I'd have a real future in it."- 17yo first time with Walker (senior year in high school)
Python:s "Well, I was 17 at the time. And it was at the 19th birthday party of my friend Stella." ... s "All right, uh... well, it was my senior year. That particular night, my best friend Violet and I had both been invited to the 19th birthday party of our friend, Stella. Since we could party on throughout the night, we arranged to sleep over."- 19yo almost 20yo, she was already in college, magazine gig
Code:s "Well, what can I say? That was when I was late 19, almost 20. I tried my hand at amateur modeling in college."- late 20s Ellie was born.
While it is now a little clearer what happened at what age, there are two points that lead to the cliffhanger of the event. The magazine is published in July 2002, which in the current story setting (2018) would make Sophia (now 38) 22 at the time of publication. And it is said that she was almost 20 at the time. So **could** the photoshoot have been published much later? This may or may not have something to do with what Dylan discovers about the photographer, a certain Liam Parker...
Obviously this cliffhanger has fired up the imagination and speculation here on the forums. The wildest theory is that the photographer was actually Liam Parker Senior, Liam's father, which would open up an incredible twist to challenge one of those good old Victorian dramas full of . In reality, L&P have already explained that it was Liam and Sophia is just embarrassed to talk about it and that's why she lied to Dylan.
The simplest explanation would be that she lied about Liam not knowing about the magazine, which would be less interesting but more logical.
Otherwise, if Liam does not really know, the question remains as to what she needed the money for. It has been suggested that she might have done it to save Liam (again!) from his gambling problem or even, given the possibility of the late publication of the photos, to get some money for the family they had started (Ellie was already born in 2002). Finally, although Sophia's answer was dismissive, she could have got pregnant during the shoot.
What's next?
Well, part 2, doh!
As mentioned, the next update (v0.190, though not official yet) will conclude the cliffhanger and then Dylan will either go to the party or continue with Sophia, depending on the previous choice (or maybe an explicit choice?).
From the little we know, it will take place both indoors and outdoors, there will be probably another hot-tub event. Sophia and Dylan may go out tograb something to eat, that could be another part of the sex-ed experience with a role-play date.
I guess we will have to wait for the first teaser(s) to have some more insight of what could happen.
There are at least 2 open questions, though:
- Is the cliffhanger just a narrative device to keep attention between updates, or will its resolution play a role in Dylan/Sophia's relationship?
- How will the relationship develop in part 2? Will it still be along the lines of the sex-ed or will something change in the light of Sophia's final feelings?
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Dylan being a manipulator (or at least trying to be one) is perhaps one of the reasons I don't see a problem with the Twist. It fit the narrative that we've been presented so far. That Ellie is also one, and a better one at that might even be why she despises him so much (at least until the changes L&P has been making).
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However, his rendering is only moderate, with unexplained off-color sidelights, overexposed light sources, and greasy graphics, which are his obvious shortcomings. And I can name 10+ games with even better rendering
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Wasn't this scene 3+ years ago? It is still the hottest in the game imho.Ellie is a good girl she shares her mom with her Girlfriend
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