Morah SDG

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Hey man, kudos for addressing some of the criticism.

Psymind is obviously a very talented artist and there is nothing 'bad' about his work, but I don't think there was anything wrong with GZone's art either. I really liked GZone's style and that is why I started playing this game.

The only thing I didn't like about the game before, where the animations. The new animations for the Jazz mastrubation scene are way better, but that's just my opinion.
I think the animation looks better too, I think we've nailed the style of doing things in that manner down now, I like it myself. Thanks for the support!
 

Morah SDG

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Well, I would have to check the new changes to see how they are compare to previous version. If this becomes more of PG-13, I may not continue to evaluate this VN. I would understand the design may change and etc., it happens over time. At this moment, I really cannot comment this until I check the new update to see how they are.

Have a great day and be safe... (y)
It was not an intention to make it Pg 13, just more of a ramp up to the tension and the overall shift in dynamic between Jazz and Danny. I mean, you're not gonna get a full fledged sex scene between them until Episode 8, so we just wanted the first exact scene to not be fully flagrant and jarring like it was before. But no, we are not moving away from xxx content, this is an ADULT game, anybody under the age of 18+ should not play it now or in the future.
 

Morah SDG

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I feel the only intelligent way forward is to redo the entire games art including sprites
Talk about a million steps back to take a few steps forward (at least for this particular game.

Now, if we wrap up this game in the next 3-4 episodes, and just continue forward with a sequel involving all Psymind based models and sprites? Then I can see your point. But we're not that close to making that decision, frankly.
 

Morah SDG

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I got to say, the new art style just doesn't do it for me. I dont think a few tweaks will fix it either, at least not to the old standard I was used to. I was never a big fan of Gzones animation, but his still were worlds better IMO. Sad to see a game Ive been loosely following end up like this, but if the team thinks its for the best then it is what it is. Can only hope for the best for the team.
Nothing but respect for an honest opinion, RPB. I'll keep on truckin', still making porn games, hope you like the next one we end up doing. :HideThePain:
 
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Morah SDG

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Got to the first NTR moment with the octoghost, is the NTR just for the scene or does it make a whole new branching path. Just want to know if ill need multisave files or not.
No, nothing's locked from that moment.
 

Dkznikolaj

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Well... Unlike most other people here, I actually like the new art, so... yeah.

Never was a fan of the old one since I'm one that doesn't believe cartoon aesthetics lends itself well to porn.

But i totally get why some people are upset.
 

TheDevian

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can you bang the sister in this game yet or nah?
Wow...
It was not an intention to make it Pg 13, just more of a ramp up to the tension and the overall shift in dynamic between Jazz and Danny. I mean, you're not gonna get a full fledged sex scene between them until Episode 8, so we just wanted the first exact scene to not be fully flagrant and jarring like it was before. But no, we are not moving away from xxx content, this is an ADULT game, anybody under the age of 18+ should not play it now or in the future.
 
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sexypeanut

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Hey everybody, glad to see everybody enjoying the new update!

Okay, but seriously, here again to answer some things, and clear up some stuff: The job of designing new character portraits went to Psymind a few months back. He's a talented artist who wanted to add his own spin on the designs. I get the impression that GZone is just not a fan of characters being tubby/having some plump to them, even if it adds variety. His ideal model form is something like Nurse Kate, and that's generally what a lot of the other characters end up looking like. So, to make them a little different at least, Psymind drew these new portraits (Valerie Gray and Principal Ishiyama) as slightly off-model to suit GZone's vision, but still trying to give them a little bit of their original design. Obviously though, that's not what everyone is mainly upset about, so...


GZone and I both thought that the game needed to have some change to the art in terms of production. I think we gravely mistook a bulk of the fan's disinterest in diverging any amount in terms of style from the original show. I don't think that what Psymind pitched and what GZone approved of was entirely perfect, but I still think it was a good start and showed more competence in the art department, something GZone agreed with, even when it was replacing *his* art.

We've since heard the complaints and have agreed that despite our intentions to improve, there shouldn't have been *as* dramatic a shift. Psymind has been great during this, asking to receive a number of your critiques and feedback so that he may improve things for the better. We don't know the *exact* way we're planning on amending some of the issues you guys have raised, but we believe there is room for change and improvement.

Also, to mention the Jazz bath scene, in particular, we thought that so early on, there shouldn't have been such a visually jarring glimpse of Jazz's nudity for the sake of the storyline progression. We thought that as things go on with each character, there should be some sort of general progression feeling, more in line with raising the tension. Hence, no explicit nudity for Jazz's FIRST scene between brother and sister.

And Psymind agrees he actually messed up on that one in parts so it is also his least favorite image he's done. We both think the framing of the head is odd. Again, potential growth for change.

Anyway, I simply write all this to say "Hey, if you don't like it, I'm sorry, we're not perfect, we're gonna listen and improve". We're not so far up our own asses to think that what we've put out is perfect or that we can't take constructive criticism. We're going to keep working at this so that people enjoy what we're doing, that's why I work on Amity Park. That's why I do this job.

Closing thoughts, what do you guys think of this Penelope Spectra design? Is this something that falls within more of your interests, or if it's another "Goddammit, they even fucked up Spectra" type of feeling.

Cheers.
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I wish every game dev had such line of thinking. Kudos to you and the other members of Team Bieno for hearing the feedback!
As I've said before, I came to not dislike the new art; however, the Jazz shown in the tub looks really different from the one in the show - while Paulina wasn't that far off. I don't know how feasible it is, but a redrawn of the new scenes with a style closer to GZone's would do wonders to the game.

Penelope looks great, but I'm not really keen on her.
You have yet to tell me how the Patreon fellas are responding to the redux version, yo! :p

Why not leave both the original and new art styles in the game, and have them toggleable so people can see the one they prefer? The game Ravager has such an option if you need to see an example of how it would work in Ren'Py. I personally prefer the original art style because Gzone did a phenomenal job making the characters look like they just stepped out of DP reruns, however i know some people like the new "anime" art style. This option will allow both parties to be satisfied and hopefully draw in more players.
https://f95zone.to/threads/ravager-v4-2-4-4minutewarning.26476/
okay so in my honest opinion, these new faces are breaking the immersion of danny phantom and there should at least be option to choose if u want new ones or the original old ones. pls make it guys
The problem with that feature is that there won't be any 'old' art from ep.8 and beyond. The player using it will complain that the feature doesn't work past a certain point...

can you bang the sister in this game yet or nah?
Not yet, but Ep.8 (the next big update) will feature it.
 
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I can only complete the Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star event by placing the vibrator in Sam's locker, if I return the prank back to Star, Sam doesn't send her obscene photo and so I can't complete the event, how do I receive the photo?
 

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I wish every game dev had such line of thinking. Kudos to you and the other members of Team Bieno for hearing the feedback!
As I've said before, I came to not dislike the new art; however, the Jazz shown in the tub looks really different from the one in the show - while Paulina wasn't that far off. I don't know how feasible it is, but a redrawn of the new scenes with a style closer to GZone's would do wonders to the game.

Penelope looks great, but I'm not really keen on her.
You have yet to tell me how the Patreon fellas are responding to the redux version, yo! :p




The problem with that feature is that there won't be any 'old' art from ep.8 and beyond. The player using it will complain that the feature doesn't work past a certain point...


Not yet, but Ep.8 (the next big update) will feature it.
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KingFuzzy

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with the redux, should i start a new game? i loaded my most recent save and cannot open the book, makes the game crash.
 

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If anybody would be willing to look at my save to see why I'm stuck I would appreciate it. Currently doing episode 7 "The Waiting Game" with the next step being go to class, but, it's afternoon and I can't advance time.

Any help greatly appreciated.
 

Clobbertime

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Why are they even changing the art style in the first place?
Because western comics and cartoon creators have decided to stop telling entertaining and fun stories and use their books and shows to push their personal ideologies instead. Manga and Anime are rapidly growing in popularity as people that are turned off by the western creators beating them over the head with their ideologies look for entertainment elsewhere. They're hoping to take advantage of the growing popularity of anime by switching to a more anime art style in an attempt to grow their donor base and make more money.
 
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