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Slappy Kinkaid

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my apologized mr slappy kinkaid cause english was not my first language so my grammar was kinda suck
I can understand that, as many here don't speak English as their first language. My frustration is the fact that The last at least 5 or 6 pages are covered with posts telling you EXACTLY what's going on with the game, most of them in response to others asking the exact same question. So it leads me to wonder why you're asking instead of just investing the slightest bit of effort to read the answers already repeated over & over & over again, some on this same page? Know what I mean?
 

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I can understand that, as many here don't speak English as their first language. My frustration is the fact that The last at least 5 or 6 pages are covered with posts telling you EXACTLY what's going on with the game, most of them in response to others asking the exact same question. So it leads me to wonder why you're asking instead of just investing the slightest bit of effort to read the answers already repeated over & over & over again, some on this same page? Know what I mean?
Your expectations are too high. This is a forum for porn games! Most people in here think with their small brain first or even don't realize that they have a bigger brain to use.
 
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xapican

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Your expectations are to high. This is a forum for porn games! Most people in here think with their small brain first or even don't realize that they have a bigger brain to use.
Don´t tell me that I have to know how to read to be part of this forum ???? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Slappy Kinkaid Games glad to see that this game goes forward do your thing don.t get caught up in this If you do the game do It for the Love of your passion and creativity ! Those who apreciate will thank you Those which not well who cares ? their loss Keep up your work and don´t loose the joy of creating wish you the Best !
 

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Recently I've stumbled upon some reddit threads about infidelity and adultery etc and the various stories people post mostly that deal with payback or revenge in some form or other and while I assume many are fake, there are some interesting and entertaining stories there lol. They run the gamut from the person being cheated on going into total depression and unable to live a normal life or even suicide to the cheater literally going insane when they're forced to confront their actions and the things they've destroyed because of their selfishness and horrible choices and also maybe suicide. How some people are doormats and never seem to learn that they are being used and manipulated to those who refuse to tolerate the slightest bit of disrespect and betrayal and destroy the cheaters life after.
As I said some are entertaining but of course there are some that you can't help roll your eyes at and laugh at the absurdity.
I'm not quite sure why I bring this up here lol.
I guess it's because while reading some of the stories I was reminded of the various endings we can expect and how they'll run the gamut from hardcore NTR to hardcore revenge lol.
Also it goes to show that in real life (I assume there are some actual real posts in the threads) things rarely end up the way the majority of these NTR VN's go with the typical wife stolen by some sex god and loser significant other is humiliated cliches and tropes when in reality the guy doing the stealing is just using the women and not long after abandons her, forcing her to crawl back to their former partner and begging for reconciliation. I also get that these games are for the most part fantasy and an escape and logic isn't necessary to fap. I've been there too and also enjoy the classic NTR so I'm not criticizing or shaming anyone.
I think some people feel that on any revenge or love path it's likely there will be less or worse lewd scenes or the scenes wouldn't be interesting without the NTR aspect and because of that they are against it but I think those scenes are also ripe to introduce different fetishes like bdsm or exhibitionist or voyeur etc. The majority of the scenes deal with NTR and that itself is the fetish but those scenes often times barely touch upon different fetishes but don't fully commit since the focus is on the NTR. I guess I'm just rambling but I feel there are ways to cater to a larger group of people while also satisfying specific kinks and finding a middle ground without having to sacrifice much.
I know many devs are reluctant to stray from the tried and true formulaic NTR scenarios so they don't lose the supporters who strictly want that but in my experience from discussions on this forum, I think many people are also looking for something new or different or realistic to every other NTR game. Of course every game has their die hard supporters who for some reason feel the need to defend the game/dev to their death and perceive anything that isn't gushing support as hateful criticism and often times these are the loudest and most vocal people in a thread. I've argued with many of this kind and I've realized it's pointless as no amount of logic or reason can sway them as they're so indoctrinated in their beliefs that they use every logical fallacy and argue in circles or argue in semantics just so they can technically be right and the cognitive dissonance is evident to everyone but themselves and it's kind of sad lol. My main issue with this is that in these threads the majority of those posting are pro classic NTR and often times argue with those with differing opinions and this causes many people to not post their thoughts and voice their opinion and only going as far as giving a thumbs up or a like to other people's posts in order to avoid conflict or being the dissenting voice. Everyone complains how the same stories, plots, cliches, tropes are in every game. How many high school based games are there? How many dead father incest games are there? Yet when someone proposes something different that could expand on that genre, people complain that it isn't what they're used to. It's like the entire VN community is stuck and frozen in time and everyone bemoans the lack of fresh ideas while at the same time refusing to accept any kind of innovation or change. It's very perplexing to say the least.
 

smokincandi69

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Recently I've stumbled upon some reddit threads about infidelity and adultery etc and the various stories people post mostly that deal with payback or revenge in some form or other and while I assume many are fake, there are some interesting and entertaining stories there lol. They run the gamut from the person being cheated on going into total depression and unable to live a normal life or even suicide to the cheater literally going insane when they're forced to confront their actions and the things they've destroyed because of their selfishness and horrible choices and also maybe suicide. How some people are doormats and never seem to learn that they are being used and manipulated to those who refuse to tolerate the slightest bit of disrespect and betrayal and destroy the cheaters life after.
As I said some are entertaining but of course there are some that you can't help roll your eyes at and laugh at the absurdity.
I'm not quite sure why I bring this up here lol.
I guess it's because while reading some of the stories I was reminded of the various endings we can expect and how they'll run the gamut from hardcore NTR to hardcore revenge lol.
Also it goes to show that in real life (I assume there are some actual real posts in the threads) things rarely end up the way the majority of these NTR VN's go with the typical wife stolen by some sex god and loser significant other is humiliated cliches and tropes when in reality the guy doing the stealing is just using the women and not long after abandons her, forcing her to crawl back to their former partner and begging for reconciliation. I also get that these games are for the most part fantasy and an escape and logic isn't necessary to fap. I've been there too and also enjoy the classic NTR so I'm not criticizing or shaming anyone.
I think some people feel that on any revenge or love path it's likely there will be less or worse lewd scenes or the scenes wouldn't be interesting without the NTR aspect and because of that they are against it but I think those scenes are also ripe to introduce different fetishes like bdsm or exhibitionist or voyeur etc. The majority of the scenes deal with NTR and that itself is the fetish but those scenes often times barely touch upon different fetishes but don't fully commit since the focus is on the NTR. I guess I'm just rambling but I feel there are ways to cater to a larger group of people while also satisfying specific kinks and finding a middle ground without having to sacrifice much.
I know many devs are reluctant to stray from the tried and true formulaic NTR scenarios so they don't lose the supporters who strictly want that but in my experience from discussions on this forum, I think many people are also looking for something new or different or realistic to every other NTR game. Of course every game has their die hard supporters who for some reason feel the need to defend the game/dev to their death and perceive anything that isn't gushing support as hateful criticism and often times these are the loudest and most vocal people in a thread. I've argued with many of this kind and I've realized it's pointless as no amount of logic or reason can sway them as they're so indoctrinated in their beliefs that they use every logical fallacy and argue in circles or argue in semantics just so they can technically be right and the cognitive dissonance is evident to everyone but themselves and it's kind of sad lol. My main issue with this is that in these threads the majority of those posting are pro classic NTR and often times argue with those with differing opinions and this causes many people to not post their thoughts and voice their opinion and only going as far as giving a thumbs up or a like to other people's posts in order to avoid conflict or being the dissenting voice. Everyone complains how the same stories, plots, cliches, tropes are in every game. How many high school based games are there? How many dead father incest games are there? Yet when someone proposes something different that could expand on that genre, people complain that it isn't what they're used to. It's like the entire VN community is stuck and frozen in time and everyone bemoans the lack of fresh ideas while at the same time refusing to accept any kind of innovation or change. It's very perplexing to say the least.
one thing i want to say that i have noticed from not just you but other people on the thread even when it was still saruh is it seems maybe people are identifying with Henry too much. if I'm not mistaken ntr is when the protagonist is being cheated on not doing the cheating. so i don't know if people are just forgetting that or maybe they are identifying with Henry to much but angelica is the protagonist and see the one who is making the choices. Now i don't know if people on here are just so used to having a male protagonist or maybe have a hard time playing from a female perspective that they identify with the male character they reminds them closest to themself which may say something more about you then you realize. maybe because I'm actually a woman I'm able to process it different or something i don't know but either way something I've noticed on the thread for a while and thought it need to be pointed out but maybe it's just me
 
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rhcp725

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One could make the argument that the only thing preventing this game from being multiple protagonists is that you never make choices for Henery. This game is as much his story as it is Angelica's.

Also i believe that Henery gets as much sympathy as he does because Saruh went too far making him always lose thus causing a feeling of needing to see him finally get a win.

And yes I'm aware i misspelled Henry.
 
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SevenCostanza

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one thing i want to say that i have noticed from not just you but other people on the thread even when it was still saruh is it seems maybe people are identifying with Henry too much. if I'm not mistaken ntr is when the protagonist is being cheated on not doing the cheating. so i don't know if people are just forgetting that or maybe they are identifying with Henry to much but angelica is the protagonist and see the one who is making the choices. Now i don't know if people on here are just so used to having a male protagonist or maybe have a hard time playing from a female perspective that they identify with the male character they reminds them closest to themself which may say something more about you then you realize. maybe because I'm actually a woman I'm able to process it different or something i don't know but either way something I've noticed on the thread for a while and thought it need to be pointed out but maybe it's just me
It's more what rhcp725 is saying for me personally. The intro and the story progression go so far to the extreme and he's crapped on at every turn by everyone close to him that at some point you kind of can't help but root for the underdog. Betrayed by his mom, dad, gf, best friend, wife, other best friend, etc. lol. Literally all the people who should be closest to him repeatedly screw him over with no remorse. You can't help but feel sorry for the guy, he needs a win.

Edit: Just to be clear, I don't identify or insert myself into the most relatable male character in the game and it's not some projection of any insecurity. Thankfully I was born with 2x.. no 3x the imagination of the average person and am able to separate myself from fiction. If anything I identify more with the character doing the wife stealing and ruining lives. Does this make me a sociopath? Who knows.
 
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Slappy Kinkaid

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Thanks guys for the words of support by the way, Regarding the fixation on Henery, I also agree with what rhcp725 & SevenCostanza are postulating. You can't help but feel a lot of sympathy for the guy because yeah, he's a loser, but is that because that's just the way he is? Or because that's the way he was made to be? I mean his whole life he was either ignored or abused. All he had was his parents, 1 friend & 2 romantic partners over the course of his life, && instead of them being his sole refuge from an otherwise hostile world that isolated him & treated him with indifference or malice, they instead were his most insidious of abusers. Anyone whom was formed from that would either grow into the very broken man he is, or they would turn into a full on sociopath, most likely ending up on the news after going on a killing spree.


True, angelica is the protag of this game, but I do believe it is a story about all of them. Now I might be a bit biased, as I've always been partial to an ensemble cast, but I do believe a truly great story isn't one that is hyper focused on just one person. Also, the ethical dilemmas presented in the story shouldn't shift depending on whether the MC is honorable or despicable. The tropes we might find abhorrent in a Netorare game when it's the antagonist doing it shouldn't suddenly become laudable in a Netori game when it's the MC doing it. The person doing such acts, regardless should be viewed through the same lens. So regardless of whether Henery is the MC or not, I think the principals remain the same.

Now, additionally, having said all that, touching on SevenCostanza's earlier comment about why a lot of these stories keep getting written in this homogenous manner, I think is this. One thing that I think the creators of these games seem to forget is that these stories are not JUST porn stories. I mean yeah, even if they are intended to just be porn games, the reason why they are choosing this medium is because they also have a story that they are trying to tell. Otherwise, porn suits those fap needs far more effectively, no need to worry about if a project is complete or abandoned, No need to grind through plot for a few CGs, just click play & fap away to beginning to end fap material. So clearly, since this medium is one that presents as story as the majority of the work, with fap material peppered in, to various degrees, it's purely absurd to approach this medium as "Just a porn game".

None the less, dozens of creators do just that & they put servicing specific themes, or kinks or fap value as the centerpiece of their writing endeavors, which ultimately churn out more of the same.

The key thing that I think most creators need to understand on a fundamental level, as well as the fans, that at the end of the day, Kinks like NTR, or incest, or whatever else isn't what a story is about, nor particular themes or tropes or vibes, These are all just tools for forming the story framework & presenting a feel to it. These are all just story elements.

But at the end of the day, & this rule applies to EVERY single story ever made, PARTICULARLY the good ones, Stories are about people. It's that simple. That is what the story is, that is where it lives. It's about people.

Everything else is just structural. That is why it's important to craft the story around the people. What they say, do, who they are, how they think, what they believe, What their values are, what makes them who they are. THESE are where the intrigue lies. The rest is set dressing. Plot elements to create an environment, adversity, things for them to do to move the narrative along. But at the end of the day, it's all about the human experience. It's all about the people & what is going on with them. THIS is the essence of a truly great story. That's why I'm such an ardent, die hard fan of the work of Freebird games. Stories like To the Moon & Finding paradise aren't particularly complex stories in & of themselves. In the former, it's simply a story of a man on his deathbed yearning to go to the moon, despite having no interest in being an astronaut, in fact he doesn't even consciously know why, until it's revealed later in the game, through the games protagonists, as they traverse this man's memories that the sole reason why he feels this deep yearning is because of how it symbolically relates to his long forgotten first meeting with his wife & his deep yearning to return to her after she passed away. In the latter, we see a man, over the course of his life, starting out as a VERY imaginative, but lonely child, growing into a man & as he finds love, starts a family, etc... Having to find it within himself to let go of the fantasy world he's been largely living in, (or I should say a part of his fantasy world that he's been projecting around him when in reality), so that he can truly embrace the good things he has in his real life, like his wife & child. The plot concepts are actually rather... Vanilla, plain & nothing really spectacular. However, within their simplicity & mundane nature, the way Kan Gao takes us on the journey of their lives, & the way he deeply humanizes them makes you, as the reader, bond with them, almost as though with an old dear friend, & you can't help but shed a tear as the story unfolds in many areas.

& That is the point. Without grand adventures, or action, or sex, or violence, with the plot elements being entrenched in the mundane, he still made some of the most captivating, heart wrenching & most moving tales I've ever had the pleasure of consuming. & That is because he knew the key to a good story. Focus on the people. THEY are what the story is about. I think there is a valuable lesson to all creators in that.
 
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rhcp725

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I'm doubling down on Henry being the second protagonist of the game. He is just too weak/pathetic to have the ability to make a choice that impacts where the story goes. Thus the game never gives the player any option of choice when it comes to him.

If you look at the game as a whole, Henry is giving just as much backstory, importance and frankly actually giving his perspective that its hard to argue he is not the male lead of the game. The biggest difference between him vs Mark is the attention to how the events are affecting Henry.

The prologue of the game sets it up as the story of the 4 main characters. Angelica, Henry, Mark and Aria. Once you get to the main game however the roles really become more identified.

Angelica- Female protagonist, character controlled by the player.

Henry- Male protagonist

Mark- Male antagonist

Aria- Female antagonist

At the core this game truly is about the marriage/lives of Henry & Angelica and the tests/tribulations that challenge the marriage with Mark/Aria doing whatever they can to break it up for their own personal gains.

I'm not against Angelica being the MC except the problem is she is only the CO-main character. Thinking otherwise means you haven't been payong attention to the story being told.
 

Slappy Kinkaid

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I'm doubling down on Henry being the second protagonist of the game. He is just too weak/pathetic to have the ability to make a choice that impacts where the story goes. Thus the game never gives the player any option of choice when it comes to him.

If you look at the game as a whole, Henry is giving just as much backstory, importance and frankly actually giving his perspective that its hard to argue he is not the male lead of the game. The biggest difference between him vs Mark is the attention to how the events are affecting Henry.

The prologue of the game sets it up as the story of the 4 main characters. Angelica, Henry, Mark and Aria. Once you get to the main game however the roles really become more identified.

Angelica- Female protagonist, character controlled by the player.

Henry- Male protagonist

Mark- Male antagonist

Aria- Female antagonist

At the core this game truly is about the marriage/lives of Henry & Angelica and the tests/tribulations that challenge the marriage with Mark/Aria doing whatever they can to break it up for their own personal gains.

I'm not against Angelica being the MC except the problem is she is only the CO-main character. Thinking otherwise means you haven't been payong attention to the story being told.
Exactly. Gameplay wise, yes, it's Angelica's Story told through her eyes, however, narratively, It IS an ensemble cast story, with those 4 being the core of it. & that distinction between the gameplay & the narrative is an incredibly important one. Angelica is just our unreliable narrator into which to view this world, but the story is indeed about all of them.

Hitting a bit more on my other point, I want to make another illustration to clarify. I watched an interview with John C McGinley not to long ago, where the focal point of the interview wasn't his body of work, no discussion of his role in Platoon, or as one of the Bobs in Office Space, or as Dr Cox on Scrubs, or Stan Against Evil, none of that, it was all about his advocacy work with kids with Down Syndrome & about his life as the father of a child with Downs. Now there was a story he mentioned in that interview that I thought really touches on what I'm trying to convey here.

Before I get into that, speaking of Scrubs, I think that TV show is a great example of this concept. Now sure, there were other hospital based shows that had more widespread success, like ER, Grays Anatomy, etc... But Scrubs itself was still wildly successful in it's own right, running for nearly a decade & racking up it's own share of awards & a very devoted fanbase. The big difference between that & it's contemporaries that with shows like ER, it was always very "sooper serious" All the characters were these stoic, driven doctors & everything was comically over the top super serious, tense, & constantly dramatic. Serious dramatic moods, dialogue & mannerisms all the time, (much like most soap operas). Personally I think that's why, despite the success of ER & a couple others of that same model, All the dozens of other shows that tried to copy that model flopped. Great for drama, for a little while. Then it get's old. When everything is serious && dramatic, nothing is serious & dramatic.

However, with Scrubs, What I think set that show apart, was that Bill Lawrence didn't approach it with the idea in mind of writing about drama, or comedy, etc... He set to it with the idea of writing about people. The way that show was written, The pacing, the dialogue, the way the characters were written, how they interacted with each other, they felt like real people. It was written in a way that drew you in & made you feel like you were in that world watching these people's lives, almost like you were a part of it. They felt less like plot devices & more like fully fleshed out people. Additionally, Bill used the principal of balance well. Instead of keeping the tone constantly serious & intense & constantly dramatic, like other shows did, he opted to keep most of the runtime of each episode lighthearted & fun, with all the quirks, jokes & just general banter & what not you see in a close knit workplace like that. That way, when shit did get serious, when there was a dramatic moment, it REALLY hit. It resonated. It had real impact because when the baseline is constant intense drama, it loses all meaning, but when the baseline is lighthearted & fun, it really stands out & hits hard when it get's dramatic. & I think that's why the dramatic moments on that show carry the gravity & meaning that they do for fans of the franchise. Because it was there when it was appropriate, & was gone when it wasn't. That's why, when it comes to "traditional" NTR games for example, I always argue that you NEED to have the more redeeming paths for balance. Because the dark & light routes don't oppose each other, they compliment each other & give each other more depth & meaning.

Look at the episode "My Life in 4 cameras" as an example. It's an over the top, lighthearted presentation in a classic cheesy sitcom format because one of the patients was a, (fictional), writer on Cheers, (a sitcom back in the 80s). & it even had the cheesy happy ending where Dr Cox Balanced the budget through a typical sitcom plot device of a talent show, & the patent they were mainly focused on didn't really have cancer, his xrays were mixed up with someone else. HAPPY ENDING YAY... Until the patient crashed, coded & died pulling JD back to reality & Dr Cox really did have to fire someone to balance the budget. It's the happy, lighthearted meat of it that makes the grim reality of the ending have real meaning & resonance. That makes it hit hard. It wouldn't have done that if it was just 1 unrelenting tone. That show was more slice of life with characters that were designed to make the audience feel attached & invested in them, so the audience really felt it on the ups & downs of the characters life. & the ups have no meaning without the downs, the downs have no meaning without the ups. Creators need to understand this.

Getting back to that John C McGinley interview, The story was about how on the prior Christmas, his son actually started singing the 12 days of Christmas, & everyone jumped in & sang along. Now, looking at it as plot devices, One would ask, "What's the big deal? It's Christmas, people sing Christmas carols, Really sounds like something out of a cheesy Hallmark movie. So what's so interesting or compelling about that?" Well, keep in mind, His son has Downs Syndrome & is largely non verbal. So drawing out verbal communication from his son is a constant struggle & something that they really foster in him as much as they possibly can. It's why parents are so excited for their kid's first steps, or their first word, or the first time they go to the potty on their own. It's not about walking, talking or pissing, it's about these kids reaching these milestones. These big leaps in physical & neurological development. THAT'S why they are big deals, because these are BIG steps forward for the kids. The same goes for John's kid taking the initiative & starting to sing a Christmas Carol oh his own. This instance of self initiated verbal activity & interaction from his child that he struggles so much to connect with verbally & to push forward in his verbal development is like mana from heaven, not because he's singing a Christmas song, but because he's initiating verbal contact.

& THAT, Ladies & Gentlemen, is the story. A father & his beloved developmentally disabled son, & the ups & down's, wins & losses that they experience as he raises him & tries to prepare him as best he can for the world, the bond & love that they share, THAT is the story. The big step of his son with the Christmas carol, that's just a slice of it. In short, it's a story about people. Those 2 people. I hope this makes better sense now.
 

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Henery is without a doubt the co-protagonist or whatever you want to call it. A lot of the game is framed from his perspective or the effect the events have on him. Other then Angelica he's the only other character you can't remove from the game. She needs someone to cheat on or cuck. There are multiple antagonists to fit the various fetishes and can be interchanged or replaced and the core story can still proceed. There's a reason why he features prominently in like 80% of the routes and endings.
 

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Now that Slappy has pointed out the value of the good and the bad both needing representation it should be more evident why Henry gets so much support in people wanting hom to win. When all he does is lose all thf time it makes him over sympathetic because he is always losing. There is no balance. Inversely since Mark never loses it makes you want to see him lose because he never does. Without loss victory doesn't really mean anything. There is no change without variation. There is no chance for growth. It makes for boring one demential characters. And for someone who actually cares about the story being told I want consequences and shifts because it makes it have more levity and feels more real. To this point it's been cartoonish how one sided the dynamic has been. Luckily for us Slappy understands this and will be giving us what has been lacking up to this point. Sit back and enjoy the ride, because once it gets here it's going to be epic!
 

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I know this game is not finished, but is there any route that Aria ends up with Henry while Angie ends up with Mark? Or is this game focused only on fetish routes and not a traditional love story.
 

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I know this game is not finished, but is there any route that Aria ends up with Henry while Angie ends up with Mark? Or is this game focused only on fetish routes and not a traditional love story.
I'd like to say, but that would be spoilers. I will just say this. There's already 14 endings cumming up for just this route alone. So consider the odds.
 

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That's great. I imagine Henry will be happy with Aria and enjoy the life of being a sub, and will become an Aria model for her painting . while Angie enjoys Mark Dick. You know, Mark divorced Vicky because of his sex life. Mark and Angie are the best pair. Aria and Henry are the best couple because of a traumatic event where both their parents were fucked up by their friends . This is one of the best VNs I've read because of the route and the story, like in Mexicanovela.

There should be a prologue, where Angie fucks Arias's father and Angie explains that because of her mental disorder and forgive angie and because of that they become close for each other
 

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That's great. I imagine Henry will be happy with Aria and enjoy the life of being a sub, and will become an Aria model for her painting . while Angie enjoys Mark Dick. You know, Mark divorced Vicky because of his sex life. Mark and Angie are the best pair. Aria and Henry are the best couple because of a traumatic event where both their parents were fucked up by their friends . This is one of the best VNs I've read because of the route and the story, like in Mexicanovela.

There should be a prologue, where Angie fucks Arias's father and Angie explains that because of her mental disorder and forgive angie and because of that they become close for each other
Now THAT, at least the way you presented it is not presently in the cards. Sorry man, like I said before though, I'm telling the story that Saruh & I set out to tell, & what you just described, both with Henry becoming Aria's sub, as well as the Angelica fucking Aria's dad bit, they just don't fit in. Did you even read everything that I, rhcp725 & SevenCostanza were discussing? Think of how overly cliche that would come out & how many directions we'd have to bend the character structures to make that happen. Not to mention the fact that the one thing that most of the fans are currently in agreement on is Henry has been getting the shit end of the stick for too long & needs a win, which is something that Saruh wanted to do, but never did out of fear of backlash from the fans. Since I'm not beholden to the fans, I'm going to do it the way we wanted to, & turns out, the fans want that too.

& for clarity, Mark isn't divorcing Vicky because of his sex life, SHE is divorcing HIM for that. She's the one that initiated the divorce.

That said, there will be some surprising curveballs coming. Some in the same trajectory the game is going, for the small segment of fans that are just here for the NTR corruption shit, I promised I'd keep that stuff in, so I'll stay true to my word, (Though I won't lie, for me personally, that's the contractual obligation, uninspired fan service schlock, so I'm not super pumped about churning that shit out, But I'll still do it because I'm a man of my word), Though there's a lot of stuff coming your way that most people won't even see coming. Some of it light, some of it leading to redemption, & some of it insanely dark, violent & leading to wholesale destruction. It's gonna be fun either way. I will say this. If Stumpy or his people start appearing in the path you're on, (Outside of the obvious initial 2 scenes that are being entered into earlier parts of the game, where they appear on all paths), prepare for our antagonists to have a very VERY bad time.
 
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The concept of Aria/Henry is flawed based on goals of Aria. She wants Angelica. The only interest in Henry for her is a means of getting what she wants. The is no way she would accept Mark getting Angelica and being left with just Henry. She sees Henry as a pathetic tool to help her get what she wants. Even in situations where Aria does things with Henry it's always just done as a means to getting what she wants which is Angelica. She pretty much hates Henry because he took away from her what she felts was hers to begin with. Now based on that alone how in the world would she be ok being left with just Henry. There is no way she would ever accept your proposed outcome.
 
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