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Nurikabe

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ofc I'm even more cynical than you, but some of those theories dont jibe with sister's comment about "After Chuck, any man would look amazing in comparison" - that makes it sound like the latter stuff as opposed to heartbreak...... which is a good thing in my mind? Not good for her character, but good for minimizing ntr plotlines. I'm sure the devs will surprise me though!
I agree. So, what role could the Chuck secret possibly play? Hopefully, we will find something out soon.
 
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I'm like a lot of you
And I really want to believe Steph is sweet & Innocent.
But every new update something happens that makes me wonder about her

One of the things I value most in a person is honesty
And I don't think I have got that from Steph yet

Also, I have been wondering If Steph Is going to be in other games
Does that mean the mc will be too?
Or will she divorce him and we play as a new mc?
Because that does not sound good to me
 
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Also, I have been wondering If Steph Is going to be in other games
Does that mean the mc will be too?
Or will she divorce him and we play as a new mc?
Because that does not sound good to me
After the devs said we would see Steph and Tori again, I wondered the same thing.
 
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Grumpy Old Aussie

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I'm like a lot of you
And I really want to believe Steph is sweet & Innocent.
But every new update something happens that makes me wonder about her

One of the things I value most in a person is honesty
And I don't think I have got that from Steph yet

Also, I have been wondering If Steph Is going to be in other games
Does that mean the mc will be too?
Or will she divorce him and we play as a new mc?
Because that does not sound good to me
Probably rewriting the plots now to kill of MC to get rid of us LMAO
 

m4pII

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With the new update, the game has become more friendly.
Steph almost always asks permission for certain actions, so even without a walkthrough mod, it's hard to get confused and go the wrong route.
Jason and Tori have become nicer, and are trying hard not to look like manipulative scammers. Jason even asks the MC for permission to hit on Steph. Dialogue with Tori no longer feels like an arrogant job interview.

The new dinner conversation is very interesting.

My theory is, that Chuck is Steph's first and greatest love. A dominant alpha chad who left her and she still cannot get over him.
I think she met him again/he contacted her and she had dinner with him.

And of course, now he's just a "friend"
It was after him that she found herself a nice guy, Eric.




I think the next game will be about Steph's student years, where her history with Chuck will be revealed to us in detail.
 

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With the new update, the game has become more friendly.
Steph almost always asks permission for certain actions, so even without a walkthrough mod, it's hard to get confused and go the wrong route.
Jason and Tori have become nicer, and are trying hard not to look like manipulative scammers. Jason even asks the MC for permission to hit on Steph. Dialogue with Tori no longer feels like an arrogant job interview.

The new dinner conversation is very interesting.

My theory is, that Chuck is Steph's first and greatest love. A dominant alpha chad who left her and she still cannot get over him.
I think she met him again/he contacted her and she had dinner with him.

And of course, now he's just a "friend"
It was after him that she found herself a nice guy, Eric.




I think the next game will be about Steph's student years, where her history with Chuck will be revealed to us in detail.
Yep. That seems to be the way it will go. His behavior will mirror Donny's behavior if you go the "train" route on Friday night. The similarities between Steph becoming the sub turboslut with Donny will be flashbacked to how she was with Chuck. There will be this ugly parallel between this visual novel and all the NTR Japanese visual novels where the loving wife had this past where she was a completely submissive slut for a shitty dom that she was completely codependent with. The wife meets a nice guy of her dreams and never looks back until... I hate those visual novels.
 

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Yep. That seems to be the way it will go. His behavior will mirror Donny's behavior if you go the "train" route on Friday night. The similarities between Steph becoming the sub turboslut with Donny will be flashbacked to how she was with Chuck. There will be this ugly parallel between this visual novel and all the NTR Japanese visual novels where the loving wife had this past where she was a completely submissive slut for a shitty dom that she was completely codependent with. The wife meets a nice guy of her dreams and never looks back until... I hate those visual novels.
Yes, in the scene with Donnie, the MC is somehow convinced that Steph never begs. In the scene with Jason, she completely submits to him.
She likes it, she's been through it before and she misses it.

Maybe that's why she agreed to an open relationship so quickly? Perhaps she shared this with Tori, and she made her such an offer? Too many secrets and questions for a relationship based on trust and truth.

I can't wait for a conversation between her and Eric where she will explain to him why she did certain things in bed with other guys but not with him. Because nice guys always get the bare minimum? Is that a happy ending too?
 

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I can't wait for a conversation between her and Eric where she will explain to him why she did certain things in bed with other guys but not with him. Because nice guys always get the bare minimum? Is that a happy ending too?
Unfortunately, I know that too well.
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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Yes, in the scene with Donnie, the MC is somehow convinced that Steph never begs. In the scene with Jason, she completely submits to him.
She likes it, she's been through it before and she misses it.

Maybe that's why she agreed to an open relationship so quickly? Perhaps she shared this with Tori, and she made her such an offer? Too many secrets and questions for a relationship based on trust and truth.

I can't wait for a conversation between her and Eric where she will explain to him why she did certain things in bed with other guys but not with him. Because nice guys always get the bare minimum? Is that a happy ending too?
That's part of what got under my skin in the previous - and still current iterations of the jason scenes. Despite how much people hate Donny, to me he never felt like a threat - maybe because a fair amount of text is spent dedicated to scoffing at his alpha chad persona. Yet there's none of this balance or levity with Jason, it's all taken at face value as serious sub/dom talk.

I still don't think that's Chuck's role - simply for the fact that we know Steph's sister is a huge status whore, and I can't see her disparaging Chuck like she did if he was some "mega dom chad boyfriend"; she simply wouldnt say the line about "anyone looks good compared to him". I have my own theory on Chuck, but it's so far out there I'm not gonna share it - I'll wait till we know more.

Yep. That seems to be the way it will go. His behavior will mirror Donny's behavior if you go the "train" route on Friday night. The similarities between Steph becoming the sub turboslut with Donny will be flashbacked to how she was with Chuck. There will be this ugly parallel between this visual novel and all the NTR Japanese visual novels where the loving wife had this past where she was a completely submissive slut for a shitty dom that she was completely codependent with. The wife meets a nice guy of her dreams and never looks back until... I hate those visual novels.
Absolutely, that's why in one of my rants offhandledly I said something about the devs and anime....there are certain story elements just too associated with certain styles to not notice.
 
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Grumpy Old Aussie

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With the new update, the game has become more friendly.
Steph almost always asks permission for certain actions, so even without a walkthrough mod, it's hard to get confused and go the wrong route.
Jason and Tori have become nicer, and are trying hard not to look like manipulative scammers. Jason even asks the MC for permission to hit on Steph. Dialogue with Tori no longer feels like an arrogant job interview.

The new dinner conversation is very interesting.

My theory is, that Chuck is Steph's first and greatest love. A dominant alpha chad who left her and she still cannot get over him.
I think she met him again/he contacted her and she had dinner with him.

And of course, now he's just a "friend"
It was after him that she found herself a nice guy, Eric.




I think the next game will be about Steph's student years, where her history with Chuck will be revealed to us in detail.
I haven't played all the Tori/Jason stuff yet. If you are right then that will be great.

I haven't noticed Steph asking permission more, if she is that is good but on the big issues it is a problem.

If your theory is right, which it could be, then MC is someone she settled for. I can understand why she keeps it a secret and its a pretty shitty thing to do. If I discovered a secret like that I would be gone. No way in the world would I accept that. So maybe you are right. Its a dog act and it would explain a lot of her attitudes towards MC.
 

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I still don't think that's Chuck's role - simply for the fact that we know Steph's sister is a huge status whore, and I can't see her disparaging Chuck like she did if he was some "mega dom chad boyfriend"; she simply wouldnt say the line about "anyone looks good compared to him". I have my own theory on Chuck, but it's so far out there I'm not gonna share it - I'll wait till we know more.
When I wrote about "alpha chad" I had more in mind appearance, personality and bedroom skills, and not money, status, etc. He may still live in his mother's basement but still sleeps with a new girl every night.
Unfortunately, I know that too well.
That's why I quit this "nice guy" shit straight out of university. It simply does not work and brings only suffering and disappointment.
That's why I had a butt-heard from the "all the good endings" news. Given all these secrets, omissions, characters, etc., I don't see how it will work here.
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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When I wrote about "alpha chad" I had more in mind appearance, personality and bedroom skills, and not money, status, etc. He may still live in his mother's basement but still sleeps with a new girl every night.
Understood, but consider her earlier put downs of MC at the dinner table. She doesn't care about socioeconomic status as much as "high school hotness". (you see her kinda reluctantly coming around to praising mc, like "Oh he's successful now, I guess you did alright for yourself steph zzzzz")

I shouldn't have used the phrase status whore, because that sounds like socioeconomic climbing. Steph's sister loves the douchebags, so to speak. She would be all for the hot guy in the mother's basement. It could be the dialogue ends up being inconsistent and I'm getting too attached to a single line, I guess we'll see.

And yeah, I feel like the updates are written for a different crowd- each one doubles down this idea of secrets and omissions and grand subterfuge......fuck man I just want a game where a gf/bf or married couple go out on the town and bang people, I don't need grand betrayal exposition #342.

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Unfortunately, I know that too well.
I remember once talking to a female friend (actual friend, not into her at all) about this and she just replied something like "oh, of course that makes sense-there are less stakes with someone you don't know well vs a boyfriend so you can do crazier stuff" and internally I was seething.
 
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And yeah, I feel like the updates are written for a different crowd- each one doubles down this idea of secrets and omissions and grand subterfuge......fuck man I just want a game where a gf/bf or married couple go out on the town and bang people, I don't need grand betrayal exposition #342.
I myself do not like all these secrets and I do not quite understand why this was added to the game.
From the first update, I had the impression that this is a story about equal relations, trust and exploration of something new. But with each subsequent update, this view is crumbling, as some secrets appear and the not-so-pleasant personalities of the characters begin to be revealed.
I would really like my theory to be false because otherwise, it would ruin this story for me.
 

Grumpy Old Aussie

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I remember once talking to a female friend (actual friend, not into her at all) about this and she just replied something like "oh, of course that makes sense-there are less stakes with someone you don't know well vs a boyfriend so you can do crazier stuff" and internally I was seething.
What these women don't get is, no man ever complained their wife was too freaky in bed with him.

Even in the lifestyles, so many women wont have sex in front of their husbands because they either cant let go or they don't want their man to think less of them.
 

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If your theory is right, which it could be, then MC is someone she settled for. I can understand why she keeps it a secret and its a pretty shitty thing to do. If I discovered a secret like that I would be gone. No way in the world would I accept that. So maybe you are right. Its a dog act and it would explain a lot of her attitudes towards MC.
And yeah, I feel like the updates are written for a different crowd- each one doubles down this idea of secrets and omissions and grand subterfuge......fuck man I just want a game where a gf/bf or married couple go out on the town and bang people, I don't need grand betrayal exposition #342.
That's why I had a butt-heard from the "all the good endings" news. Given all these secrets, omissions, characters, etc., I don't see how it will work here.
On the high-confidence route, the MC is the guy in charge. Steph yields to him even if she maintains her attitude. She is in love with him, is loyal, and she places him at the head letting him make decisions for the couple. Honesty is still lacking. Without honesty, there can be no trust.

So, even with the "revelation" that there are these secrets and that Steph is hiding them from the MC, he is still the "boss" and running the show. That means the players' choices have a direct influence over what occurs. Compare this to the "other" routes and the player will be stuck on routes where the MC has no control (or very little with the exception of the escape hatches). This is all based on the current game and who the fuck knows what will happen by the end of this ride.

I remember once talking to a female friend (actual friend, not into her at all) about this and she just replied something like "oh, of course that makes sense-there are less stakes with someone you don't know well vs a boyfriend so you can do crazier stuff" and internally I was seething.
For women, this is an unfortunately real attitude they hold. It directly conflicts with any kind of real logic. Logically, a steady honest, trustworthy partner is the safest person to engage in wild and crazy behavior. Using woman logic, they would rather cheat with a bad guy than engage in crazy sex with an honest guy. I am using some extreme generalizations here. There are sane women who are worth getting into relationships with. There are more crazy women with shitty pasts and fucked up relationships that are seriously fucked.

That's why I quit this "nice guy" shit straight out of university. It simply does not work and brings only suffering and disappointment.
There are only a few times that being nice has ever really bitten me in the ass. I'd rather be "the nice guy" who misses out on a few good fucks than an asshole who can't stand to look at himself in the mirror. Although, in my experience, assholes rarely know they are an asshole and most likely can't see that in a mirror!
 

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Understood, but consider her earlier put downs of MC at the dinner table. She doesn't care about socioeconomic status as much as "high school hotness". (you see her kinda reluctantly coming around to praising mc, like "Oh he's successful now, I guess you did alright for yourself steph zzzzz")

I shouldn't have used the phrase status whore, because that sounds like socioeconomic climbing. Steph's sister loves the douchebags, so to speak. She would be all for the hot guy in the mother's basement. It could be the dialogue ends up being inconsistent and I'm getting too attached to a single line, I guess we'll see.

And yeah, I feel like the updates are written for a different crowd- each one doubles down this idea of secrets and omissions and grand subterfuge......fuck man I just want a game where a gf/bf or married couple go out on the town and bang people, I don't need grand betrayal exposition #342.

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I remember once talking to a female friend (actual friend, not into her at all) about this and she just replied something like "oh, of course that makes sense-there are less stakes with someone you don't know well vs a boyfriend so you can do crazier stuff" and internally I was seething.
That’s why “Exciting Games” game is so good
 

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Updated both my walkthrough and gallery mods for game version 1.06g. The gallery update is not strictly needed.

I also reported a couple of bugs to the dev - Player name is Eric in Gina couch scene; Missing destination for a branch. Fixed both in my walkthrough mod. But depending on how quickly the devs issue fix I may need to update that mod.

EDIT: Oh both my mods are linked in the opening post! Happy Dance! Thanks for adding that moderators. Do I get a modder badge now? :D
Looks like a fix is coming for the 2 bugs I reported. If it just fixes the 2 bugs and nothing else then just using my walkthrough mod will work for those that got the game from this site. Saves a 5G download. Only drawback is game version won’t be incremented.

Will report further once update is out and I have a chance to go through it.
 
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