Badjourasmix

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I still have a little hope for this game. If the radiant devs are able to actually release updates I am sure luxee can do it as well.
 
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I still have a little hope for this game. If the radiant devs are able to actually release updates I am sure luxee can do it as well.
Who knows, the truth is that Luxee has not been seen so eager to continue. I think he's a little burned out of the game. but it's just my opinion.
 

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Who knows, the truth is that Luxee has not been seen so eager to continue. I think he's a little burned out of the game. but it's just my opinion.
It's a shame because in my opinion this game has the potential to be a lot better than Parental Love. And I loved Parental Love when I played it.
What makes it even worse for me is that the reason he probably lost the passion for this game, was because of all the Nea hate, and she is my favorite girl in the game.
 

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It's a shame because in my opinion this game could this game has the potential to be a lot better than Parental Love. And I loved Parental Love when I played it.
What makes it even worse for me is that the reason he probably lost the passion for this game, was because of all the Nea hate, and she is my favorite girl in the game.
i agree with you
 

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It's a shame because in my opinion this game has the potential to be a lot better than Parental Love. And I loved Parental Love when I played it.
What makes it even worse for me is that the reason he probably lost the passion for this game, was because of all the Nea hate, and she is my favorite girl in the game.
I don't remember much about the game tbh, it's been too long since an update. However, I remember there being numerous things about the game that I generally hated. The mom in particular was annoying and made me want to ignore all incest content because she was so heavily involved. I liked the little sister, but her story was also being ruined by the mom. I also didn't enjoy the "memory" setting for the game. So, the game is like a 3/5 at best.

However, if we only focus on the trans content, game is a 5/5 EASY. It's honestly the only reason I want another update. If one ever comes, I'll likely only play the trans content and ignore everything else if I can.
 
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Guess you can't please everyone all the time. I loved the mother's involvement. There's something about a mother striving to get/keep her family together in this way. I hope we get more of the same ;)
Nothing wrong with that I suppose. For me, that whole dynamic had two major faults that are basically a pet peeve of mine..

I don't really like games where the protagonist gets manipulated. Likely something I should talk to a therapist about or something lol. Either way, the mother manipulating the protagonist and his sisters just rubbed me the wrong way.

Secondly, I dislike games where relationships are manipulated by other people. If I remember correctly, both sisters already had feelings for the protagonist. The relationships between them would have already grew without her involvement. Because she got involved, it cheapens their relationships and makes it feel less important. It's like their own feelings, judgements and autonomy are removed for the sake of the mother having her.

Honestly, the whole thing just feels like the dev wanted to rush for sex scenes as fast as possible and used the mother as a crutch to force that to happen.

If the protagonist was in on the manipulation, likely after a relationship had formed with the mom, that would have been fine. Or, if a relationship had already started with mom, while the sisters were stalling, that would have been fine too.
 

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Guess you can't please everyone all the time. I loved the mother's involvement. There's something about a mother striving to get/keep her family together in this way. I hope we get more of the same ;)
Yeah I like the mom a lot.

man im sure you are smart enough to understand what he was saying, so why are you starting this? do you rly expect to acomplish something with this? this wasnt even the point of his post.
This is only thing I will say about this. He will only start anything if people respond. I already ignored him just do the same and move on.
 
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Nothing wrong with that I suppose. For me, that whole dynamic had two major faults that are basically a pet peeve of mine..

I don't really like games where the protagonist gets manipulated. Likely something I should talk to a therapist about or something lol. Either way, the mother manipulating the protagonist and his sisters just rubbed me the wrong way.

Secondly, I dislike games where relationships are manipulated by other people. If I remember correctly, both sisters already had feelings for the protagonist. The relationships between them would have already grew without her involvement. Because she got involved, it cheapens their relationships and makes it feel less important. It's like their own feelings, judgements and autonomy are removed for the sake of the mother having her.

Honestly, the whole thing just feels like the dev wanted to rush for sex scenes as fast as possible and used the mother as a crutch to force that to happen.

If the protagonist was in on the manipulation, likely after a relationship had formed with the mom, that would have been fine. Or, if a relationship had already started with mom, while the sisters were stalling, that would have been fine too.
To me, the mother's involvement just seems unnecessary and weakens the story with the sisters. I hate when you're trying to seduce one girl, and things seem to be progressing, but then suddenly another love interest interjects to move things along. Now that I think about it, Parental Love did this, where the MC's sister involved herself with helping the MC have sex with his daughters when they were already obviously interested in him romantically. There's been other games that have done this as well, so it's just not a Luxee thing. But the experience left me annoyed at the sister for most of the game.

I'll give points to Luxee for doing something different with the mother. Except I'll take points away because he deviated from the type of stuff that most people like, and moved it into territory where it just hurts the stories with the sisters. And I just can't get interested in the mother at all because of all of this. I don't really get the idea she's even a real interest, but rather just there as a (unnecessary) plot device. I'd much prefer she function as an initially reluctant love interest and thorn in the side of the MC as he tries to seduce his sisters. Having her approval from the beginning just gives the feeling you're on easy mode now and bypasses what could be a lot of interesting tension and story in the game. But this game seems to be all about skipping over development for most of the love interests.

I'll also agree with your earlier assessment that anything non-Nea is a 3/5, although that might be generous. I either haven't played through the Nea stuff or fast-forwarded through it, but I don't dispute it's a 5/5 based on it clearly being Luxee's passion to tell her story. But he should be aiming for 5/5 for everything here, or if he can't hit that, at least aim for 4/5 for everyone instead of this jarring drop in content and quality for anyone other than Nea. That's how we end up with Nea fans seeing one game focused on romancing a trans girl that is perfect for them, and others seeing a mediocre harem/incest/loli game.
 

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To me, the mother's involvement just seems unnecessary and weakens the story with the sisters. I hate when you're trying to seduce one girl, and things seem to be progressing, but then suddenly another love interest interjects to move things along. Now that I think about it, Parental Love did this, where the MC's sister involved herself with helping the MC have sex with his daughters when they were already obviously interested in him romantically. There's been other games that have done this as well, so it's just not a Luxee thing. But the experience left me annoyed at the sister for most of the game.

I'll give points to Luxee for doing something different with the mother. Except I'll take points away because he deviated from the type of stuff that most people like, and moved it into territory where it just hurts the stories with the sisters. And I just can't get interested in the mother at all because of all of this. I don't really get the idea she's even a real interest, but rather just there as a (unnecessary) plot device. I'd much prefer she function as an initially reluctant love interest and thorn in the side of the MC as he tries to seduce his sisters. Having her approval from the beginning just gives the feeling you're on easy mode now and bypasses what could be a lot of interesting tension and story in the game. But this game seems to be all about skipping over development for most of the love interests.

I'll also agree with your earlier assessment that anything non-Nea is a 3/5, although that might be generous. I either haven't played through the Nea stuff or fast-forwarded through it, but I don't dispute it's a 5/5 based on it clearly being Luxee's passion to tell her story. But he should be aiming for 5/5 for everything here, or if he can't hit that, at least aim for 4/5 for everyone instead of this jarring drop in content and quality for anyone other than Nea. That's how we end up with Nea fans seeing one game focused on romancing a trans girl that is perfect for them, and others seeing a mediocre harem/incest/loli game.
I absolutely despise Parental Love. It caused me to hate several troupes and concepts found in other adult games because of that exact scene. I also hate games when relationships start before the game begins, especially incest. I also disliked slutty characters for a while, but I outgrew this one for the most part I think.

Back on topic though. I don't remember too much about the game outside of Nea. I only remember that I hated the family content and why. That said, I don't believe I hated the mom, just the story she caused. If this game rebooted or a copycat gets made, I would still want her as a LI. However, the manipulation absolutely needs to die. At the very least, she takes the role of the older sister from My New Family where AFTER the relationship starts, she plays the wingman to help escalate relationships that have already progressed to a specific point.

As for Nea, I've always claimed that characters are the most important part of AVNs. A great character is enough to make someone love even the worst game. I entirely believe that Nea is that type of character. I understand why she would be polarizing for many, but when you create a character that's so loved by a portion of your audience, I think that's a character you should prioritize over others.

That's not to say that you should ignore other characters, that I agree with. I only played this game because it was a harem. While I walked out a newfound fan of trans content, not everyone will. That said, I'm not sure how much Nea actually influenced the quality of the game. I could be completely wrong, but I think Nea was a later addition to the game. Meaning, that a lot of the crap you and I despise about the family dynamic was already in place before Nea was. Take this with a grain of salt.
 
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That's not to say that you should ignore other characters, that I agree with. I only played this game because it was a harem. While I walked out a newfound fan of trans content, not everyone will. That said, I'm not sure how much Nea actually influenced the quality of the game. I could be completely wrong, but I think Nea was a later addition to the game. Meaning, that a lot of the crap you and I despise about the family dynamic was already in place before Nea was. Take this with a grain of salt.
As someone who supported Luxee on Patreon through almost all of PL and the first update or two of A69, I can assure you that Nea was always meant to be a major focus in A69. But I don't think people were expecting her to be so central to the game, as she was supposed to be completely optional. To me, it's everyone other than Nea that is the afterthought. They're there to camouflage this as something other than a short trans VN love story, and an attempt to make a game with broader appeal than just Nea's story alone would have. The other love interests don't have any real depth to them, being tropes and stereotypes with little substance. Granted, we had that in PL too, as you point out. But it's worse in A69 for anyone other than Nea, and the attention lavished on Nea makes the shortcomings of the other love interests more apparent. It also shows us what Luxee could do with a story if he actually tried. So again, we're left with the duality of some people seeing a great game because they play for Nea, and others seeing a mediocre game because they're here for everything else.
 
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