Walter Victor

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im not gaming the system, im providing support when i want to. the fuck is wrong with you.\
If someone only pledges when a release comes out in order to get that release, and then cuts off the pledge as soon as the game is downloaded, that's gaming the system.

But, you do you, man. I'm sure you think you're doing the best for the developers of the games you 'support'.
 
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If someone only pledges when a release comes out in order to get that release, and then cuts off the pledge as soon as the game is downloaded, that's gaming the system.

But, you do you, man. I'm sure you think you're doing the best for the developers of the games you 'support'.
you are so righteous man, why you even here, on a pirate site, should you not be appalled?

Christ. Absolutely insufferable. Would you prefer i dont donate at all? Is that to your liking?
 

Walter Victor

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Why am I here, on a pirate site? I'm here because I'm not rich enough to support all the really good developers whose games I like and play. I am also here to get information about those games, and to provide information where I can.

I am certainly not going to tell you what to do with your money. That's your business.

You seem to be getting quite worked up, though, so try not to have a stroke before the next release.
 
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Why am I here, on a pirate site? I'm here because I'm not rich enough to support all the really good developers whose games I like and play. I am also here to get information about those games, and to provide information where I can.

I am certainly not going to tell you what to do with your money. That's your business.

You seem to be getting quite worked up, though, so try not to have a stroke before the next release.
you very much seem to be telling me what i should do with my money with the "gaming the system" comment, but please continue with the self righteousness. Its fine.
 

Walter Victor

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you very much seem to be telling me what i should do with my money with the "gaming the system" comment, but please continue with the self righteousness. Its fine.
Nope. I'm just describing what you're doing. Not trying to change your methods.

I understand that there is no way I can influence your behavior, but it is what it is. You seem proud of it, after all. And you should be comforted in the fact that there are a lot of people who do the same thing.

Have a nice day.
 
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If someone only pledges when a release comes out in order to get that release, and then cuts off the pledge as soon as the game is downloaded, that's gaming the system.

But, you do you, man. I'm sure you think you're doing the best for the developers of the games you 'support'.
Imagine gatekeeping how people spend their money. The exact same argument can be made for developers who dont provide a fixed update schedule - they are also 'gaming the system' but we both know that is not really true.

Patreon is basically just a way to tip people if you like their work - you are not paying the developer a salary. You can tip when you want and stop tipping when you want. You dont owe them money just like how they dont owe you regular updates.
 
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If someone only pledges when a release comes out in order to get that release, and then cuts off the pledge as soon as the game is downloaded, that's gaming the system.

But, you do you, man. I'm sure you think you're doing the best for the developers of the games you 'support'.
so you support every game you play then?
 

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Nope. I'm just describing what you're doing. Not trying to change your methods.

I understand that there is no way I can influence your behavior, but it is what it is. You seem proud of it, after all. And you should be comforted in the fact that there are a lot of people who do the same thing.

Have a nice day.
Imagine paying NOTHING AT ALL! and still play the game from pirate site but telling and judging someone else how they should or should not pay. :Kappa:
 

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so you support every game you play then?
That's the exact opposite of what he said.......

They already said that they dont. It just looks like your typical hypocrite trying to be self righteous.
How exactly is he being hypocritical or self righteous? He's right in everything he said.
 
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How exactly is he being hypocritical or self righteous? He's right in everything he said.
Hypocritical because he is trying to preach despite being on a piracy website and admitting to pirate games. Self righteous because he is judging how others spend their money.

Both devs and patreons know how the website works. It is a tipping system and you are not paying anyone a salary. It is none of your business how someone spends their money. If developers wanted to make their product available only to people who have supported for X months they have the ability to do so by looking at the patreon supporter logs and sending the links as DMs.

Like I said in a previous post - you dont owe a developer a monthly donation and the developer does not owe you an update. You are tipping the developer and nothing more. If you want to stop tipping then you can stop tipping anytime you want and trying to gatekeep this is stupid.
 
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Walter Victor

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so you support every game you play then?
Nope. As I wrote in an earlier post, I can't afford to do that. But I currently support 17 developers at relatively low levels. I have a budget for Patreon and stick to it. I am currently evaluating a few games to support (and two to drop), since my budget will allow for it. There are a bunch of good games out there.
 
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Hypocritical because he is trying to preach despite being on a piracy website and admitting to pirate games. Self righteous because he is judging how others spend their money.

Both devs and patreons know how the website works. It is a tipping system and you are not paying anyone a salary. It is none of your business how someone spends their money. If developers wanted to make their product available only to people who have supported for X months they have the ability to do so by looking at the patreon supporter logs and sending the links as DMs.

Like I said in a previous post - you dont owe a developer a monthly donation and the developer does not owe you an update. You are tipping the developer and nothing more. If you want to stop tipping then you can stop tipping anytime you want and trying to gatekeep this is stupid.
I keep reading that this is a "pirate" website. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the games on here uploaded by the game developers? And if they are it would seem to me that they (the developers) are providing the games at no charge on a free public forum therefore they are not pirated at all, or am I missing something?
 

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I keep reading that this is a "pirate" website. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the games on here uploaded by the game developers? And if they are it would seem to me that they (the developers) are providing the games at no charge on a free public forum therefore they are not pirated at all, or am I missing something?
Some developers are active on the forums, upload their own games and use f95zone as a way to get more exposure, community feedback and potentially people willing to support them. But other devs are actively against their games being posted here. And for yet others its a bit of the middle ground, they post here but are still a bit annoyed if their game gets leaked early (i.e. all those patreon versions that drop before public release). Its a pirate site since the last two groups have no control when/if their games get posted.
 
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Nope. As I wrote in an earlier post, I can't afford to do that. But I currently support 17 developers at relatively low levels. I have a budget for Patreon and stick to it. I am currently evaluating a few games to support (and two to drop), since my budget will allow for it. There are a bunch of good games out there.
So what gives you the right to judge how people spend their money? Everyone has a budget including yourself - for some people it is small and that is perfectly fine. If someone can only afford to donate a small amount every few months and have a smaller budget than you do, that does make you better than them.

People with attitudes like yours who try to gatekeep how others spend their money is exactly what makes some supporter communities toxic.

I keep reading that this is a "pirate" website. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the games on here uploaded by the game developers? And if they are it would seem to me that they (the developers) are providing the games at no charge on a free public forum therefore they are not pirated at all, or am I missing something?
Generally speaking devs post their games here for exposure. However many devs also follow a release schedule where the game is released earlier for supporters first as a bonus/perk. Some patreons however leak the game earlier than public release and thats where piracy comes into play. I feel quite bad for developers when that happens as most games are free anyway and it negatively impacts the developer's motivation but it is what it is.
 

Walter Victor

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I keep reading that this is a "pirate" website. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the games on here uploaded by the game developers? And if they are it would seem to me that they (the developers) are providing the games at no charge on a free public forum therefore they are not pirated at all, or am I missing something?
Quite often Patrons post updates here. If they didn't, many updates would never appear here.
 
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Walter Victor

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So what gives you the right to judge how people spend their money? Everyone has a budget including yourself - for some people it is small and that is perfectly fine. If you someone can only afford to throw a small amount say $5 every few months that does make you better than them.

People with attitudes like yours who try to gatekeep how others spend their money is exactly what makes some supporter communities toxic.
I believe that you have completely misunderstood the point I was making. The way other people spend their money is strictly their own business. It's not as though they would listen to me anyway. Nor do I know the exact circumstances (when or how much) the person to which I was responding has contributed. So I really can't criticize him personally.

But I do believe that pledging after the beginning of the month when a release has just been provided, and then withdrawing that pledge before the next billing cycle is 'gaming the system'. It happens to every single developer and it drives them nuts, since they can't budget properly.

Of course, I am well aware that some developers are also guilty of 'gaming', and that while I might decry someone who cries 'milking' at the first missed schedule, I am well aware that some developers do just that. I've dropped a couple of them.

Now, if someone can't subscribe regularly, but offers some cash as a 'cup of coffee' on occasion, that is an admirable endeavor. And many people can't afford a nickel. I have no problem with them using this site to play games.
 
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