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I think you've created a broad enough field here to create a scenario where enough people can get invested to gain traction, though it might take a bit.
Specifically, people asking themselves questions being a good way to get investment.
Personally, mind control is my thing, so I'm wondering what the effects specifically are, how long they last, are repeated doses needed, to what degree does it control, etc. I was actually annoyed at the end of 0.1 because I was asking myself all these questions, I wanted to know more, specifically about the scene with Valentine and the other chick on the couch, and I didn't get the answers.
The annoyance here wasn't a negative, in fact quite the opposite: It was a result of being invested in the game. Apathy is the true enemy here, and I think you're making good strides to avoid that.
Anyway, in the vein of getting people invested, you've still got plenty there for people who aren't interested in the mind control aspect as well. Giving the reader enough answers while still planting questions leaving them coming back for more is the balance of course, and I'd say it seems to be working so far. But then I can only speak for myself.
In regards to the most recent update: I was mostly just keeping an eye on this game, but after hearing Valentine call that girl "Master" (the magic word) well..
Specifically, people asking themselves questions being a good way to get investment.
Personally, mind control is my thing, so I'm wondering what the effects specifically are, how long they last, are repeated doses needed, to what degree does it control, etc. I was actually annoyed at the end of 0.1 because I was asking myself all these questions, I wanted to know more, specifically about the scene with Valentine and the other chick on the couch, and I didn't get the answers.
The annoyance here wasn't a negative, in fact quite the opposite: It was a result of being invested in the game. Apathy is the true enemy here, and I think you're making good strides to avoid that.
Anyway, in the vein of getting people invested, you've still got plenty there for people who aren't interested in the mind control aspect as well. Giving the reader enough answers while still planting questions leaving them coming back for more is the balance of course, and I'd say it seems to be working so far. But then I can only speak for myself.
In regards to the most recent update: I was mostly just keeping an eye on this game, but after hearing Valentine call that girl "Master" (the magic word) well..
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No worries. Its you game. Will come back after its completed.
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Here is the Italian translation
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Here is the Italian translation
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Ecco la traduzione italiana
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Wow this is actually amazing! Thank you for this!
Here is the Italian translationof Bad Decisions [v0.2]
This translation is "unofficial, it was created by a fan.
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Ecco la traduzione italianadi un fan Bad Decisions [v0.2]
Questa traduzione "non è ufficiale" è stata generata da un fan.
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Man, now this is feedback that's good for my soul. Thank you very much for you staying up to date with this VN. You have no idea how much this keeps my hopes up.
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Yayyy! Just the fact you're saying that this alone motivated you to try to continue your project to the end makes me so happy! Not only because I could inspire someone to do so while making them happy but also because I'm genuinely hype for more! x)
And yes you'll always have people that aren't interested or don't like your stuff and that's just par for the course. Try to focus on people that appreciate it for what it is because that's your people. That's exactly the thing in fact, by keeping it true to YOUR vision and what YOU want out of it, inevitably you will attract and find your people. People that have the same tastes as you. Even if you are more niche in certain aspect, you will find the following that is there for these specific kind of things that there is so few that actually fills that need. And usually, those devs that take that path and stick to it long enough end up being the ones that gets the most known for that exact same reason. By being genuine, passionate, dedicated and stand out from the masses. You're not taking the easy route by making exactly by the letter what's the most trendy sure (and I get it why some people do, not trying to offend anyone),but usually by the end of it, the path you chose is the most rewarding if you don't give up and pour your heart into it. And never forget the silent majority out there. For each negative comment there's always 10 times more people that actually appreciate your work, just they don't take the time to say it. People that are dissatisfied are always the loudest and most prone to take the time to complain. But of course, doesn't mean you can't make errors or have flaws in your projects though. And constructive criticism is always worth considering and at the very least to be read. But you're already doing great on that side so just continue doing it
<3I mean so far it's a KVN, which yes is still considered a genre of game technically but yes it's the least interactive types. But hey at least it's not in RPGM HAHAHA! So sorry to anyone doing an RPGM game out there btw. I don't mean to offend anyone. There's some RPGM games that are balls to the walls amazing. Just, there is very few, since it requires a lot more thought to be put in to actually make it interesting and worth it to be done in that engine instead of other ones haha. But I digress lol. So yeah, even if it's not interactive, that is something that can change later on! Maybe do your main story line and then see how much work it would be to add branching path let's say. And then if you don't feel like it then just don't! And maybe do that for your next project instead like you said. Not being overly ambitious, especially with your first game is always an extremely good idea. Or at least focus on completing what you have in mind and *then* think about what you can add to it after the fact. But yeah, the next challenge after that can be branching paths for the next game and then after that, if you get there one day, you can even try to tackle a sandbox type game! Which is the next step in term of interactivity and depth of gameplay. Those are my favorite type tbh, but I never blame anyone for not dipping their toe into that since it does seem like a lot of work, especially code wise haha.
But yeah, focus on the basics always. "Don't bite more than you can chew" is always an extremely valuable saying. Take your time essentially and don't spread yourself too thin. ^^
And yes exactly, I agree all along the line of your paragraph where you took the opportunity to give your personal opinions. I totally get everything that you mean and think exactly alike, I really do. In fact, the more I read your replies the more I have the impression of talking to myself it's insane hahaha. We seem to be on a same page in terms or tastes and mentality haha.
Oh yeah, all the sub plots I noticed then got all interconnected in the "spider web" I mentioned haha. But still, there is many layers and very different things happening to various characters who learn about the overarching plot in different manners or affected by it in various ways. Which makes it very interesting imo. And it was well executed too. It was all in a shotgun shot (one big burst) but still, I don't feel like it was rushed or not earned since it was well written and presented. And I still wanna see what happens next very much which means you did good! And even if I see where it'll be going next (which I think I do haha), like you said is still very fine because what I have in mind is stuff that can lead to very interesting (and hot) situations when we get in the details of who, when, where and how!
Hey no worries there is nothing wrong with something written on the fly. And like I said before, you can always rewrite or add to certain sections of the story. And polish it as much as you want or don't want. Also we're always our worst critics haha. So don't beat yourself down too much. Write with your intuition also, not just your brain! c:
Ah yes, I totally catch our drift. I sincerely do. And you are right, people often don't realize the impact people have on others. And even less of the possible ramifications of the "butterfly effect" that it may set in motion. And the example of "the person eating a bat and now here we are", is a very good one. And all my favorite games here (ex: those in my signature kek) in fact not only have amazing sex scenes, visuals, bgm, environments, interactivity and etc, compared to most...but on top of all of that they tackle very heavy/dark/complex subjects/traumas, that are not easy to talk about and even less be explained and layed out in good taste and in a truthful manner. Because it ads a whole lot of depth to the characters and to the story and makes the characters and the relationships feel way more real and the story much more engaging. And, because of that it makes the sex scenes all the more exciting, rewarding, personal and/or hot. Yes there might be some people that don't like that stuff or can't relate or just don't understand it. And they have all the rights to feel that way. But that ain't our problem. And I'm glad to see you're more and more determined to stick to your vision. Never stifle your creativity and inspirations for someone else. Make the game (yes I still call it a game because it technically is) for yourself first and foremost, always.
And sure, if the next one you wanna do is completely different or even let say, much more simple, then that's your prerogative and no one can stop you. Never force yourself to do something you don't feel like doing. Because that's when bad games are made the large majority of the time. You can easily feel it when there's no soul in it. And yours is chuck full of it. From the big picture to the small details like Damian in the background being all sad he dropped the basketball hahahaha! <3
LOL, I mean yeah, if you *really* wanna boil it down as much as possible hahahaha! That would be it. xD
EDIT: In fact the drug makes me feel it's highly inspired by Scopolamine but with a bit more of an aphrodisiac effect haha! If anyone don't know about it, look it up. It's super fascinating and scary lol.
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Yup I totally agree with you on all the line. You put my thoughts into words haha!
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See? You got people already translating your game in another language! Now tell me that ain't a good sign that you're onto something here heheWow this is actually amazing! Thank you for this!
It makes me very funny when someone says that people who do not like ntr "are a very noisy minority, but nothing else." I understand that everyone tries to make their fetish appear, but taking advantage of the fact that a dev is a novice to try to convince him that ntr is in the majority seems to me an attempt to deceive the dev who will then be ruined when he sees how little follow-up his game has (follow-up = patrons)
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Nice of you to assume my intentions. Jokes on you bub, I'm pretty indifferent to NTR and can do very easily with or without. I'm not a particular fan of it. I can enjoy it a lil bit sometimes, depending on a lot of things, but otherwise like I said I'm just very indifferent about it. So yeah, I don't have any horse in that race lol. And from what I remember I didn't mention once NTR in my reviews and replies lmao. You seem to think you just exposed someone, when in fact, you exposed yourself quite a bit hahaha. And most ironic of all, YOU are the one talking about NTR and blatantly trying to influence the developer into going in a direction that YOU like. And that's without mentioning the fact that your reasoning behind recommending against it comes down essentially to money. (patrons = money. lol) Even going so far as using very dramatic words like "becoming ruined" hahahaha.
Also buddy, I even mentioned in my comments that people are allowed to have their opinion and their own reasons whether they like something or not. And no that statement ain't limited to NTR either lmao. Which shows you either you didn't read all I had to say and/or didn't understand what I meant. Or maybe even ignored completely what you read and are aware of it's meaning/intention behind it, purely for the convenience of your little narrative you just built lol. But unlike you, I try to not assume things too much so I give you the benefit of the doubt and will keep the angle that it's just a misunderstanding ok?
My overarching point can be boiled down to encouraging the dev to stay true to it's vision as much as possible all the while still communicating with it's audience and try to consider the constructive criticism that they receive. And saying you don't like something is NOT constructive criticism btw, if that wasn't clear enough. Nor changing ones vision to purely please a certain following to get more patrons at the end of the day. So basically, let's stay constructive and avoid stifling creativity. And most of all, if it ain't your cup of tea then just move on to the next game (among now literally almost 10k games on the site btw).
And on that note, much love to y'all, take care and be safe <3. Imma go sleep now ^^
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I'm open for any kind of opinion. I get what you're saying, I'm not being deceived by anyone though, it might be my first time uploading but I have read a lot of forums threads about the topic, tons of debates everywhere. Sure NTR might be in this VN however that doesn't mean in the next one there will be any. It's not something I'm focusing on and I do understand a lot of people just do NOT like. I'm okay with that. This isn't going to be a long VN anyway, it's just a way to practice.
So about the patreon, the way I see it, and that's only because a friend of mine told me so, is: if you actually enjoy to do something, let people show you their appreciation, you're not forcing anyone by posting a link, if they appreciate what you do, even if it takes a whole year or ten years, they might want to give you their support for you to focus only and purely on that. Because they believe in you as a person and in your potential to grow. Deep thoughts
Honestly if you post a comment, even if it makes me feel like crap, at the end of the day is an engagement you're giving me and I must appreciate it. When people come and say even "thank you" that honestly makes me smile.
The reception I have gotten has been amazing, I can't deny that. Even with the NTR and people just want to bash my head into the ground for it, I see a lot of support and that just keeps me thinking... what will happen when I do something the "majority" ends up liking? I'm really interested on how things are going to play out. For now though I must finish this one. Because that's how it must be. I'd say there will be only 10 updates total. We are at 2/10. As I said, it's not meant to be long.
(Unless, for some reason that doesn't occur to me at the moment, people show interest in me continuing to do so. Which I doubt it. Maybe. Probably.)
Anyway long response, thank you very much for taking your time to post your thoughts. I always read them.
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Man, you just keep making me proud and impressing me with the mindset you have. I literally, couldn't have said it better myself. Also even though I suspected as much, it's still nice to see you did a lot of research and still do your research on not only how to make your game (and every intricacies that it entails) but also on being a developer at all in the first place.
Also you have a set goal and specific amount of updates in mind and that is superb. Because once that's done then you can very easily decide if you wanna expand upon it, make a sequel or, like you seem to to have your mind on, challenge yourself with a completely new project! And none of those are bad options. As long as you have a structure preplanned and stick to it before adding or moving on, you'll be good for sure.
Because I see many projects fail for being way too ambitious from the get go with the person having none to barely any experience. And you see they do have a good idea and before being abandoned they were unto something. But they spread themselves too thin and got burned out before even getting into the meat of it or right in the middle. People don't give themselves the chance often enough to start small.
But you got it dude. For sure. And honestly, even though you mentioned before that I inspired you or motivated you. Well now you're the one that feels inspiring to me with your mentality alone haha. I dunno there's a level of Zen I see in you on some things in there that I really like. It's kinda hard to explain. But in the end, you inspired me to type all of this and all the other comments haven't you? That speaks for itself I think hehe.
Anyways...here I am rambling again lmao. That frickin OCD man I swear, it'll be the end of me lol. So yeah, I know I can be a lot to handle at times. Mostly when I'm passionate about something. But uh, it's just how I am and right now I don't have the resources to help me have an handle on it so...them bricks of texts probably will continue to appear here and there haha. I know I should have to justify and be sorry, but my anxiety makes it so I can't help to do so and feel that way so...yeah.
But hey, at least I'm being genuine I guess.
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Many have commented positive things and and constructive criticism. Even if it's only one person that's enough. And It could always be worse, anyway.
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This looks great so far and I am excited to see what the villains do with the pills.
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Thank you very much. Sadly I'm not doing so well right now, my younger brother is in the middle of a lawsuit and it has been pretty stressful. I will finish this but right now is hard to find motivation and put on a happy face to deal with all the feedback. I'll let you know when I continue this. I am finishing it, no matter what.
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Awww dude so sorry to hear that. That sucks! I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking that it's totally ok and to take the time you need. Stressing yourself out more and then burning yourself out is the last thing we'd want. I also hope that your situation will get resolved in a good manner for you guys.
So on that note, be safe and take care until you let us know when you're doing better as you said. éwè <3
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Yes, maybe this week we might know if he's out of danger. It has been 5 months already with this mess. Actually those events inspired this story, if someone was wondering. How 1 person can ruin so many lives with a single bad decision, especially made out of spite, ignorance and overall stupidity.
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