VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[Sun of Rome]

The episode count has increased since the start of the project. Originally, I thought I'd need something close to 8-12 episodes to tell the story, with way shorter episodes. Today, I'm fairly sure that Season 4 will be the final season. I also suspect it won't be a traditional season, as it includes the endings. How many episodes Season 4 will have isn't decided yet, but I know the rough outline of the final season, and I will enjoy every moment of creating the conclusion to the story.

We are getting closer to the end as episodes start answering more questions than asking new ones. I believe my previous estimate was 15-17 episodes, and depending on how the episodes will be counted in the final season, I believe we're looking at something like 14-16 episodes total for the game. I know I need up until episode 14, for sure. At that point, it gets blurry, but I'm not stopping until the endings are what I want them to be. I don't want to rush the end of the game, but I don't intend to linger to extend it beyond what's needed.

I have mixed emotions.
On the one hand, we got specifics. The game will end on episode 14 and that means there are 4 more episodes left before the game ends, which is about 4-5 years.
But on the other hand how is he going to have time to close all the character arcs in 4 episodes? He's been pulling character arcs before very slowly and some arcs were closed quickly and even unexpectedly.
For example, Tybalt's arc ended with Jill asking one prep and them walking into Tybalt's room and seeing him humping a watermelon. A lazier arch closure is hard to imagine. Jill could have done it at any time, but she did it at ep10 when DPС realized it was time to end the game.
Or Burke's arc, for example. Why did he decide to divorce now?
And I think we're in for something similar. Some character arcs will be closed quickly and spontaneously, on the fly. This is especially true for secondary characters whose arcs have been dragging on for too long. This increase in narrative speed never helped the story. The story becomes unbalanced and jagged.
The only explanation for all of this is only one. DPС is tired of the game and tired of the characters. He'll finish the game, he'll say that's exactly what he intended, but that's sly. I don't think he originally intended such a lazy closing of the Tybalt arc and such a rather lazy impending breakup of Josy and Maya.

While I'm certain players will want more, and it will be a sad moment when everything ends, those are the feelings and memories I want to leave players with.

What sad feeling does he want to convey to us in the epilogue? Is it the parting of the beloved characters over so many years? Or is it something more?
It's unpleasant to realize, but it's a fact: the game is coming to an end.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

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The game will end on episode 14 and that means there are 4 more episodes left before the game ends, which is about 4-5 years.
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I believe we're looking at something like 14-16 episodes total for the game. I know I need up until episode 14, for sure.

-> 14 Episodes is minimum.

 

[Darkwen]

You say it like it is a wrong thing , now and then it's not bad to do an exclusive anal scene. I wish it was with Josy

Maybe MC can take Josy's ass after she breaks with Maya or do as a dare

 

[Sun of Rome]

-> 14 Episodes is minimum.

Episode 14 is the end of the main plot and the remaining 2 episodes are epilogue.

 

[FookU2]

I can't say that I ever thought of the word "sucks" as profanity, but I know the dev grew up in a different area and different era than me, so who am I to judge the meaning and context of a word? lol
Just for context, I was going to type "work sucks and then we die" in the yearbook quote. lol
In that context, there's no way it can be taken as profane. I can understand if I were to say "school can suck a dick."
But, this is also a porn game, it's also private where only the player will read it, and we're all adults.
Just my 2 cents. Take it as is.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Maybe MC can take Josy's ass after she breaks with Maya or do as a dare

do as a "dare " is a fitting scenario , but I want that without Maya being there.

 

[Ottoeight]

And here amigo, you're speaking exactly like those who claim that Sage path is doomed to fail because she's in her last year, like those who claim that Bella path will fail because she's a teacher and James will come back or that the throuple will inevitabely fail because Melanie had a similar experience that didn't end well. But the truth is, you don't that, I don't know that and none of us know that. Only DPC can know, all the rest is nothing but assumptions. And we don't even know how many outcomes the different paths will have. You can't tell me that Quinn path will inevitabely ends in disaster the same way you can't tell me that the throuple will inevitabely fail. And if there's only one possible outcome amigo, what's the point of choices and decisions ?

Moreover, Sage IS NOT in her last year. She's in her 3rd year.

She started working on her thesis at the beginning of her 3rd year - of course she does - and she explains MC why.

1st year: MC, Josy, Maya, Derek
2nd year: Jill, Quinn
3rd year: Sage

I have mixed emotions.
On the one hand, we got specifics. The game will end on episode 14 and that means there are 4 more episodes left before the game ends, which is about 4-5 years.
But on the other hand how is he going to have time to close all the character arcs in 4 episodes? He's been pulling character arcs before very slowly and some arcs were closed quickly and even unexpectedly.
For example, Tybalt's arc ended with Jill asking one prep and them walking into Tybalt's room and seeing him humping a watermelon. A lazier arch closure is hard to imagine. Jill could have done it at any time, but she did it at ep10 when DPС realized it was time to end the game.
Or Burke's arc, for example. Why did he decide to divorce now?
And I think we're in for something similar. Some character arcs will be closed quickly and spontaneously, on the fly. This is especially true for secondary characters whose arcs have been dragging on for too long. This increase in narrative speed never helped the story. The story becomes unbalanced and jagged.
The only explanation for all of this is only one. DPС is tired of the game and tired of the characters. He'll finish the game, he'll say that's exactly what he intended, but that's sly. I don't think he originally intended such a lazy closing of the Tybalt arc and such a rather lazy impending breakup of Josy and Maya.

What sad feeling does he want to convey to us in the epilogue? Is it the parting of the beloved characters over so many years? Or is it something more?
It's unpleasant to realize, but it's a fact: the game is coming to an end.

You are definitely misinterpreting things.

He wrote: " depending on how the episodes will be counted in the final season, I believe we're looking at something like 14-16 episodes total for the game "

Repeat with me: d e p e n d i n g o n h o w t h e e p i s o d e s w i l l b e c o u n t e d i n t h e f i n a l s e a s o n

Secondly: how do you count the Interlude? is it an episode? a semi-episode?

Thirdly: 4 more episode before the game ends?!?! WHAT?!? you are not counting the endings, and - you know - the endings are the most important chapters, and you can bet your ass that every ending will be longer than any previous episode.


Anyway, the notion that he "doesn't intend to linger to extend it beyond what's needed" is simply HILARIOUS. So, why 3 Madame Rose scenes in ep. 10, why that damn fucking Dungeons & Gremlins session in ep. 6, why all these fucking mini-games in ep. 10, DrPinkCake? don't fuck around with us, at least!

 

[anonnyscouse]

Moreover, Sage IS NOT in her last year. She's in her 3rd year.

She started working on her thesis at the beginning of her 3rd year - of course she does - and she explains MC why.

1st year: MC, Josy, Maya, Derek
2nd year: Jill, Quinn
3rd year: Sage

Pretty sure Sage is in her final year, she's mentioned having to train Quinn to be president of the HOTs because she won't be there next year. However I don't think that means the relationship is doomed to fail as she could get a job close to B&R or MC could leave B&R or B&R might not even exist depending on what happens with the sex for tuition storyline.

Also I think Jill is in her 3rd year rather than 2nd year, I'm sure she mentioned that in a conversation with Josy.

 

[Kpyna]

There's a lot said here and I agree with your point in the main, I don't think Maya is going to be crucifying MC for Quinn in future episodes.

Thinking about this got me curious. Why is it that Maya is the one who asks MC about his body count? (I hate that term, but I guess it fits)

She was the one who came up with the whole "no strings attached" setting when they first decided to try out their special relationship. So I would have thought this question would matter more to Josy. But I think it's only Maya who asks.

And why does this ding their relationship, at all? I mean, MC isn't really given a chance to ask either one of them what their body count is, right? And I don't see them volunteering that information, unless I'm forgetting something.

Anyway, I wonder if that was DPC slipping up a tad and meta-gaming a horndog MC a bit. That's what it feels like to me. It doesn't feel like a Maya question, at this point. Just an observation, not really a question. Ya'll's discussion made me think of it again.

Regarding why it's Maya who asks this... probably it was made to balance their questions and concerns. It would look and feel strange if only one of the girls was asking questions and the other was silent. Josy was interested in the MCs ex, and Maya became interested in the current sexual adventures of the MC.

On the other hand... you mentioned it was Maya who came with "no strings attached" proposal. In this case it fits quite well with her subtle bevaviour and probably with intention to "test" the MC, had he used this "no strings attached" option or he was sure in his choice more or less beforehand. And they look pretty happy if he didn't take advantage of it (who wouldn't be?). But in their situation, they are also happy if MC "tested other cars" (с) Tommy before finally deciding to be with them. The first option is nicer and leaves a better impression.

So Josy got her part to concern for MCs ex. But both girls are interested in both topics, regardless of who asked it first, which again looks like a certain balance. Girls usually have a lot of inner thoughts when it comes to relationships, feelings, etc, while here there are 2 girls at once and they are also communicate in one or another way.

Regarding their "body count"... well... it's mostly "zero" or not mentioned visually. Because... you know why, lol. In J&M case - it's obvious that Josy was with guy(s) before the Maya, while Maya was only with Josy (at least in terms of sex), because Maya mentioned that she tried to date with guys in past, but it didn't developed into something. And in case with J&M it's also a 18yo kind of restriction, since Josy backstory definitely goes beyond 18. Among the rest of MGs... We know only about the Chad in case with Sage, Jill is virgin and Bella had(have) a husband, while most of SGs have more broad experience or they're prostitutes or some kind of.

Moreover, Sage IS NOT in her last year. She's in her 3rd year.

She started working on her thesis at the beginning of her 3rd year - of course she does - and she explains MC why.

1st year: MC, Josy, Maya, Derek
2nd year: Jill, Quinn
3rd year: Sage

Wrong, and Sage herself confirmed her last year several times in dialogues. Sage - 4th year, Jill - 3rd year, Rusty, Tommy, Nick - 3rd year. It's also perfectly fits with the game end, MCs 1st year and passing the torch regarding DIKs new president and VP. Chad is planning the same thing.

 

[noahsombrero]

I can't say that I ever thought of the word "sucks" as profanity, but I know the dev grew up in a different area and different era than me, so who am I to judge the meaning and context of a word? lol
Just for context, I was going to type "work sucks and then we die" in the yearbook quote. lol
In that context, there's no way it can be taken as profane. I can understand if I were to say "school can suck a dick."
But, this is also a porn game, it's also private where only the player will read it, and we're all adults.
Just my 2 cents. Take it as is.

I always thought that the etymology of the word had a profane origin, even though it seemed to loose that among most folks later. Sucks ass remains an emphatic usage.

 

[Ottoeight]

I can't say that I ever thought of the word "sucks" as profanity, but I know the dev grew up in a different area and different era than me, so who am I to judge the meaning and context of a word? lol
Just for context, I was going to type "work sucks and then we die" in the yearbook quote. lol
In that context, there's no way it can be taken as profane. I can understand if I were to say "school can suck a dick."
But, this is also a porn game, it's also private where only the player will read it, and we're all adults.
Just my 2 cents. Take it as is.


I always thought that the etymology of the word had a profane origin, even though it seemed to loose that among most folks later. Sucks ass remains an emphatic usage.

That's the opposite: the word started having "profane" meaning only in the XX century.

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[iggy.]

I still think we are going to have 17 episodes. Final episode 17 will probably be split into 2 smaller parts, that will wrap everything up, I guess we will know more when previews come out for episode 11, it's still unclear how much time next episode will cover - my money is on 2 or 3 weeks, Christmas is season finale - unless he plans to end episode 11 with an even bigger cliffhanger, and then season 3 will end during NYE party, so you never know.

 

[kyanfury]

am i the only one that gets a feeling this game is gonna have a tragic twist, just like his last one?

 

[NebulousShooter]

You say it like it is a wrong thing , now and then it's not bad to do an exclusive anal scene. I wish it was with Josy

I bet you wouldn't see it the same way if the entire scene was MC licking on a shoe in 6 different angles, or a cock and ball torture scene. Just because is your preferred kink doesn't make it cool that the rest have to tab through it because DPC is too egotistical to add an alternate scene.

 

[ChipLecsap]

I bet you wouldn't see it the same way if the entire scene was MC licking on a shoe in 6 different angles, or a cock and ball torture scene. Just because is your preferred kink doesn't make it cool that the rest have to tab through it because DPC is too egotistical to add an alternate scene.

I see your point, , but then it should be apply to almost every scene is it not ? . Like if it just a pussy fuck in different angles how much is that different , or if it's just a blowjob scene ? in the game the was majority is exclusive pussy scenes, but now there is one scene with Bella in the entire game what was an anal exclusive scene, and a person loose his mind over it .
my point was to laugh at the over exaggerated freak out from that person who asked that question in the Q/A
all that while pointing out, how funny , that it is that one scene is the seemingly unimportant thing to him, like it is a constant returning theme, but all the other actual shit like the 1 minute long animated intros, the 3 madam scenes, and so on , are not something that bothers him, but one scene , in the whole , game with over 50 sex scenes, is problematic to him

and what i get as a reaction, an another fucking life story of a random person. I think this is Fucking Funny

 

[Ray_D]

Especially the pathetic way MC acts in Quinn's route annoyed me to no end. I whish I had a choice in how the MC reacts to the bombshells she springs on him, instead he just victimizes himself like a emo virgin and tries to guilt trap her and the ending promise reminded me of Naruto and Sasuke relationship dynamics. I don't think anyone should ever try to emulate Naruto and Sasuke

Well in that case we can't blame the character, since he is subject to the writing skill of his writer. And in this case poor tremolo is condemned to suffer episodes of mental retardation for the convenience of the story and will have to behave like emo because that's what DPC demands.

Spoiler: Rare occasion where DIK tremolo behaves according to his attitude.

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[Nikko_]

Well in that case we can't blame the character, since he is subject to the writing skill of his writer. And in this case poor tremolo is condemned to suffer episodes of mental retardation for the convenience of the story and will have to behave like emo because that's what DPC demands.

Would it be better writing to make the MC vastly different if he is chick, neutral or dik? I don't think so. This is not Mass Effect, and you start the game as a "nice guy". Turning him from that to a complete dick after a semester is not good writing.

 

[Porthas]

Would it be better writing to make the MC vastly different if he is chick, neutral or dik? I don't think so. This is not Mass Effect, and you start the game as a "nice guy". Turning him from that to a complete dick after a semester is not good writing.

Well even with Mass Effect, we were still stuck with Commander Shepard and he could never become a villain, unless you're looking at it from a Batarian point of view I guess.

But yeah, there's a lot of choice in the game but if he made MC diverge into a criminal punk instead of the person who cares enough to help out Maya, then he'd be essential writing 2 or more AVN's and the development time would really get even more crazy.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Would it be better writing to make the MC vastly different if he is chick, neutral or dik? I don't think so. This is not Mass Effect, and you start the game as a "nice guy". Turning him from that to a complete dick after a semester is not good writing.

Not vastly, but so far any 'broccoli' interaction has been optional, he also had choices to bail if the character starts to annoy him, or stand up for himself(especially DIK MC). Come ep10 the game assumes you are full on broccoli and are ok with anything Quinn throws at you. There should have been a choice to tell her fuck you and bail on her when she brought him at the drug sale without telling him anything beforehand, instead we got the MC victimizing himself like a 14yo girl trying to guilt her into caring about him. Its as she said it, pathetic.

It might shock you, but there are many Quinn fans that actually like her like she is and don't want to fundamentally change her. DPC seems to not care that much about that portion and assumes everyone is on the 'I can fix her' train.

 

[Porthas]

It might shock you, but there are many Quinn fans that actually like her like she is and don't want to fundamentally change her. DPC seems to not care that much about that portion and assumes everyone is on the 'I can fix her' train.

As much as he likes drama, it would probably be a matter of too much work to diverge the story that much. Though I would like it. I like to see a lot of story choices.