VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[ename144]

But so different that the MC switches from having an almost dominant, controlling demeanour with Bella, to a warm, caring nature with Maya? Maybe, it's just me, but I have never treated two people that differently, let alone two women that I was attracted to.

Maybe he's just taking Jill's critique of Rusty being different around his friends to heart. The MC will be different around Jill's friends instead!

Honestly, I don't mind that the MC behaves a little differently with each girl since it makes sense that he would learn what each one enjoys and try to accommodate her. But his behavior change around Bella is a lot more pronounced, and for no real reason. There just doesn't seem to be much to their relationship that would lead him to act so differently.

It's especially bad if the MC didn't stay with Bella in Episode 4 and still makes a move on her in Episode 5. In that scenario, the last thing she said to him was the emphatic "I can't!" that ended their library make-out session. So obviously the MC took her at her word back then. But now when she says no in the sauna he just keep kissing and undressing her. I don't get what changed his mind.

Maya or Josy sometimes expressed doubt about fooling around with MC. In Josy's case the MC wasn't even sure he should call her again, and only set up the second date when she called him and said she might be going away. With Maya (if the MC skips the party to see her pictures), the MC's options are keyed into the DIK score: DIK, Maya says no and the MC accepts it; massive CHICK Maya says maybe and the MC takes that as a no; it's only low CHICK or neutral that will try to flip maybe to yes. Even then, he gets her to agree before he does more than kiss her.

With Bella, it doesn't matter how CHICKish the MC is, he will keep hitting on her over and over again. I think it would a lot more palatable if the MC at least knew why Bella was so reluctant and could be sure this really was something she wanted. But even we as the player, with the benefit of Bella's monologues, don't know just what happened to her. So what is the MC thinking?

To me it just feels like the MC is hell bent on seducing Bella for no readily apparent reason. I certainly don't begrudge Bella fans a chance to get their lewd scenes, but I really wish the game would give us a more mutual attraction between them first.

 

[JustADude321]

Calling it right now:

Vinny is gonna be revealed as Zoey's new boyfriend at some point in the future.

 

[Templar Knight]

I know brother, i know.

As someone said in this thread, this would be more of an American pie style than a serious Acting Lesson.

Edit:
The game has then done something right if you can’t choose one or the other

man, the way things are going, I'm thinking that Tommy will be the main villain and will try to sabotage the mc and his trajectory as the future leader of the dik's, in my opinion if you noticed the photo of quinn with that hood and comment sage who says that quinn likes mc is capable of being a "cool" Leah, so I predict Tommy trying to sabotage the mc and if you are on the sage or maya route (you may have noticed that Quinn makes bullying with Maya telling her to do things she doesn't like), is able to have something, although I don't know why the next episode will be hard because I believe that sage will discover the relationship between chad and melaine and moreover not just quinn but heather wants to get rid of sage as a leader so the next episode will be heavy between sage and obviously if you are on her route the mc will have to take some action on the situation, but worst of all is having to wait 4 months and you live with these theories in your head until then.

 

[Le Pew]

Calling it right now:

Vinny is gonna be revealed as Zoey's new boyfriend at some point in the future.

Nonsense. Vinny is Quinn's dealer. His drug business was why he was thrown out of the DIKs and later from B&R.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Maybe he's just taking Jill's critique of Rusty being different around his friends to heart. The MC will be different around Jill's friends instead!

Honestly, I don't mind that the MC behaves a little differently with each girl since it makes sense that he would learn what each one enjoys and try to accommodate her. But his behavior change around Bella is a lot more pronounced, and for no real reason. There just doesn't seem to be much to their relationship that would lead him to act so differently.

It's especially bad if the MC didn't stay with Bella in Episode 4 and still makes a move on her in Episode 5. In that scenario, the last thing she said to him was the emphatic "I can't!" that ended their library make-out session. So obviously the MC took her at her word back then. But now when she says no in the sauna he just keep kissing and undressing her. I don't get what changed his mind.

Maya or Josy sometimes expressed doubt about fooling around with MC. In Josy's case the MC wasn't even sure he should call her again, and only set up the second date when she called him and said she might be going away. With Maya (if the MC skips the party to see her pictures), the MC's options are keyed into the DIK score: DIK, Maya says no and the MC accepts it; massive CHICK Maya says maybe and the MC takes that as a no; it's only low CHICK or neutral that will try to flip maybe to yes. Even then, he gets her to agree before he does more than kiss her.

With Bella, it doesn't matter how CHICKish the MC is, he will keep hitting on her over and over again. I think it would a lot more palatable if the MC at least knew why Bella was so reluctant and could be sure this really was something she wanted. But even we as the player, with the benefit of Bella's monologues, don't know just what happened to her. So what is the MC thinking?

To me it just feels like the MC is hell bent on seducing Bella for no readily apparent reason. I certainly don't begrudge Bella fans a chance to get their lewd scenes, but I really wish the game would give us a more mutual attraction between them first.

And the attraction is there between Bella and the MC. Look at what happened in the library before they kissed but after the MC leaned in. Bella telling him no yet she has her hands on the back of his head, arms around his shoulders, pulling him in. Look at the Sauna event. Bella doesn't fight at all, in fact once she gets into it she takes charge. Bella is in the middle of an emotional/intellectual conflict. While she knows morally she should say no and stop it she really doesn't want to.

I'm not going to say the MC is a decent guy for hitting on a married woman. Or dating/pursuing any of the other girls despite their situations. Hell in fact I've already gone on record and said all of them are cheating whores except Jill at this point.

 

[ename144]

And the attraction is there between Bella and the MC. Look at what happened in the library before they kissed but after the MC leaned in. Bella telling him no yet she has her hands on the back of his head, arms around his shoulders, pulling him in. Look at the Sauna event. Bella doesn't fight at all, in fact once she gets into it she takes charge. Bella is in the middle of an emotional/intellectual conflict. While she knows morally she should say no and stop it she really doesn't want to.

I'm not going to say the MC is a decent guy for hitting on a married woman. Or dating/pursuing any of the other girls despite their situations. Hell in fact I've already gone on record and said all of them are cheating whores except Jill at this point.

There is attraction, but Bella is still SAYING it's not enough.

Back in Episode 3 that was sufficient for the MC to back off. Now in Episode 5, even if nothing has happened since then, he keeps pushing.

Maybe what i'm saying is that the lewd scene in Episode 5 should have been gated by the lewd scene in Episode 4 instead of the library makeout session. I think the problems run deeper than that, but it would at least provide a reason for the MC to take her rejection at something other than face value.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

There is attraction, but Bella is still SAYING it's not enough.

Back in Episode 3 that was sufficient for the MC to back off. Now in Episode 5, even if nothing has happened since then, he keeps pushing.

Maybe what i'm getting at is that the lewd scene in Episode 5 should have been gated by the lewd scene in Episode 4 instead of the library makeout session. I think the problems run deeper than that, but it would at least provide a reason for the MC to take her rejection at something other than face value.

Your talking, mostly, a logical progression rather than a huge jump from Ep 3 to Ep 5 if you didn't stay at Bella's? Ok I can understand that. However a lot of this isn't necessarily a logical progression. Look at the Melanie scene. Never even really talked to the girl and yet she crawls in the shower with you and lets you bust a nut inside her. Look at Josy. Give her one flower and you go from a single clothed make out session to fucking in her parents bed. I could go on and on. At some point, and I'm guilty of this as well, we have to let go of our reality and realize this is a game. It isn't going to be realistic and we are never going to fully understand or relate to any of the characters because otherwise it would probably bore the shit out of us.

Edit - Porn by its very nature isn't supposed to be realistic. Its supposed to get your dick hard/pussy wet and that's about it. Its a fantasy plain and simple

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

Nonsense. Vinny is Quinn's dealer. His drug business was why he was thrown out of the DIKs and later from B&R.

That's another option. I said before today that Quinn's dealer should be someone we know at this point in the story. Vinny makes a lot more sense than Burke.

 

[JohnDelfino]

I went back to try both versions for Josy, and here's how the dialogue differs on both the friend and rejection versions:

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So not much of a difference, really, it's mostly all the same.

Also interesting to note is that when using the scrappy mod to change from "in a relationship with M&J" to "not in a relationship with M&J", it gives the dialogue version as if they rejected the MC, regardless of the affinity you currently have.

Do you happen to have Maya's dialogues on the two friend routes?

So, here's the latest random minor detail I noticed when I played through the game again. (Since it's been a week now, I will not hide Episode 5 spoilers, and they are fairly minor.)

On Sunday morning Derek posts his cluck about surviving Hell Week, and most of the HOTs reply to congratulate him and the MC. This includes Mona (last mentioned opting out of Quinn's free tuition deal), but does not include Ashley (last seen being comforted by Elena).

To me, this suggests that Mona is still planning on being a HOT and is not too traumatized by whatever happened with Stephen. I'm not sure what it implies about Ashley. Maybe I'm overthinking things and she just slept in?

Making sure we help our Bro get his girl in the end is the most important plot point for me now.

It sounds like I'm in the minority in that so far Bella is the only main LI I have no interest in as as a lover. She's gorgeous and sexy, sure, but between her obvious hangups and the fact she's such a hoot as a grumpy surrogate sister, I am more than ready for the MC to be 'just friends' with her.

Exactly how I feel.

 

[ShadowThrone]

I'm surprised Maya and Josy can have a relationship with each other with their lack of honesty and truth.
They only knew about the relationship MC had with the other when MC showed Maya a picture of him and Josy. They had days to tell one another.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Rusty was just starting college in that flashback.
Jill has said she's a 3rd year.
The DIKs have only been around for 2 years.

Therefore, Rusty is a 3rd year.

Is this timeline consistent with the maggot cycles?


0 : Rusty and Tommy founded the DIKs.

0 : Nick and Vinny were the first maggots in the same year.
(Nick : "Vinny and I were the first maggots to join the DIKs the year Rusty and Tommy started it.")

1 : Jamie and Leon are Maggot brothers.

2 : Jacob and John Boy were maggot brothers last year.
(Jacob : "Yeah, last year. Me and John Boy were maggot brothers.")

3 : Derek and mc are maggot brothers this year.

The CUM-petition is ... annual.
(Tommy : "It's time for the annual ... CUM-petition!")

If the maggots are accepted only once a year, the DIKs were founded 3 years ago.

 

[LP83]

Another Great update!!

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[f96zonetrooper]

I'm surprised Maya and Josy can have a relationship with each other with their lack of honesty and truth.
They only knew about the relationship MC had with the other when MC showed Maya a picture of him and Josy. They had days to tell one another.

When reading the dialogs between Maya, Josy and mc, I had the impression that - caused by the disadvantageous circumstances in the last months and especially the last week - their relation was broken up and both had turned towards the mc. When Josy arrived at B&R and mc ran away there was no reason to confess since circumstances had changed and confessing probably would have made the renewal of the relation more difficult without benefit.

 

[Sorrow85]

man, the way things are going, I'm thinking that Tommy will be the main villain and will try to sabotage the mc and his trajectory as the future leader of the dik's,

Him and Quinn try something.

predict Tommy trying to sabotage the mc and if you are on the sage or maya route (you may have noticed that Quinn makes bullying with Maya telling her to do things she doesn't like)

I think that only works on the DIK side and you’re with Sage because DIK Affinity/Or Josy relationship.

If MC is on the DIK side, then happy ending with Sage* or then chick on the side of M/J, Jill or bella.

*:MC is DIK president and Sage are HOT.

 

[Phanex]

Another Great update!!

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Poor Derek indeed

 

[Esp``]

Since ep2, Maya, is portrayed as the vulnerable sweet little thing the MC is supposed to protect and comfort all the time. Quinn bullies her, Sarah and Melanie mock her, she has a shitty relationship with her father, she must hide her relationship with Josy, she worries about Derek's cheating, she can't deal with the pledges sexual list, she's insecure with the MC because she never felt attracted to a boy before and the list goes on...

I mean she basically spent the whole episode 4 crying and trying to apologise and AGAIN in ep5 the MC has to comfort her because she felt jealous over the fatherly love Josy received from her father. It feels like the MC has to be the "Ken Doll". We don't really see new sides of her character and she clearly lacks moments when she genuinely bonds with the MC and actually offer real support in return.

By comparison, Sage is introduced as the typicall Girl Posse but she has shown hidden depths. The relationship feels more balanced and organic not only because they are actually bonding on several points (guitar lessons, sex-games, mutual dislike of Dawe, romantic issues...) but also because they comfort and support each other. The MC gave her the affection and the attention chad didn't provide and act like a confidant. On her side, Sage spent the whole ep4 helping and warming the MC up. She's more equal and far less needy. Even the whole fuck buddy things become more and more tender and romantic, showing a real progression.

Same thing for Bella and Jill. They share more activities ( Tennis, Yoga, music, cooking, real dates...) and the MC has to be more mature and subtle with them. They have vulnerable side but the MC doesn't have to act like a big brother figure (actually it's the opposite). Their past and connection is also more intriguing.

The fact Maya has to share his plot with Josy don't help either.

Amazing take, I started the game as Maya fan and EP3 reveal crushed my dreams. Then Sage route happened and it was the best moments ever and EP4's abysmal ending convinced me to give up on Maya. Now Sage is best girl followed by Jill.

Good analysis. Sage, Bella and Jill definitely feel like more balanced & stronger characters than Maya (and Josy too tbh) who just don't offer anything apart from being needy and their rather shallow relationship that came out of nowhere.

I'm especially surprised by Sage who definitely seemed to be the most generic girl in the first episode but now she is one of my favourites. Her relationship with the MC has been handled the best so far, it feels more realistic and has good progression.

Agreed. Sage is by far the best developed route so far. This EP5 was also good addition to both her and Jill's development.

Do you happen to have Maya's dialogues on the two friend routes?

I don't have the exact lines but ;
MC comforts Maya after she gets emotional seeing Josy's dad being there for Josy, She is jealous because her dad is not like Josy's dad. MC says he would be with her if she was starting into a new university. He would be there for her to help at any time.Then Maya gets emotional and calls the MC a girl, as a biggest compliment she can give since she likes girls. She gets more emotional about stuff and kinda regrets about leaving MC in library last night.

I was still angry so in my first time I just skipped Josy's request to help her with the dad. Later I wanted to see if any Maya scenes will happen from that route so I took it. Honestly when you broke up with them then help Josy about her dad, the two scenes you get(when you choose Josy or Maya to console) with them are very emotional. Get the scrappy cheat mod to edit your save file if you wanna see it, it is pretty easy to modify.

 

[Journey95]

After the first two episodes, I liked Maya. Now she is completely indifferent to her. Constantly wiping snot and walking in a circle.
Now I think it's a pity that Lily is not the main girl.

Same, she used to be my favourite even (her and Bella). Now she is easily my least favourite, I would prefer Camila as the main girl

 

[Journey95]

Amazing take, I started the game as Maya fan and EP3 reveal crushed my dreams. Then Sage route happened and it was the best moments ever and EP4's abysmal ending convinced me to give up on Maya. Now Sage is best girl followed by Jill.

Agreed. Sage is by far the best developed route so far. This EP5 was also good addition to both her and Jill's development.

I don't have the exact lines but ;
MC comforts Maya after she gets emotional seeing Josy's dad being there for Josy, She is jealous because her dad is not like Josy's dad. MC says he would be with her if she was starting into a new university. He would be there for her to help at any time.Then Maya gets emotional and calls the MC a girl, as a biggest compliment she can give since she likes girls. She gets more emotional about stuff and kinda regrets about leaving MC in library last night.

I was still angry so in my first time I just skipped Josy's request to help her with the dad. Later I wanted to see if any Maya scenes will happen from that route so I took it. Honestly when you broke up with them then help Josy about her dad, the two scenes you get(when you choose Josy or Maya to console) with them are very emotional. Get the scrappy cheat mod to edit your save file if you wanna see it, it is pretty easy to modify.

True, the reveal dragged down her character and her behaviour after it made it even worse. At this point I Just hope there are no "reveals" like this for Sage, Jill & Bella lol.

I saw both their scenes, I think Josy's was better. She seemed to still have feelings for the MC and was more emotional.

 

[rafaelo4]

Felt short somehow..But I loved it.

Hope another drops in time for Christmas.

 

[murphy88]

yeah, the moral of the story is that Maya after 5 episodes still doesn't know what she wants.
Idk where is Pink going with her story but it is getting more and more tireing with each episode.

Although we have been around this game for over a year, keep in mind that in real time it's only been 2 weeks for the characters, not having your clear ideas in just 2 weeks seems pretty logical