Holy Bacchus

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Yeah, all very good points. Just one of those situations where I don't care about these characters. I don't actively dislike them just feel like I'd rather spend time with other characters but the narrative is focused more on them than anyone else. I want to see the MC actually having to make choices and solidifying his actual interests in an individual (or the throuple) versus meaningless sex and being spread out among all of the potential love interests.

And the whole "harbouring feelings" thing, I find it ridiculous considering it has been only two weeks. The idea that those feelings are so intense that they could possibly destroy their established relationship but at the same time they don't want to define their relationship with the MC in a way that would require him to be exclusive to them is :rolleyes:
This game is set in in a college and whilst some people can and do find someone during this time that they eventually marry, it's still considered to be a time where sexual exploration is pretty standard, so having "meaningless sex" is kind of the point. If any of the LIs want to lock him down into a committed relationship, fine, but until then there's no reason why he can't be with many partners without consequence.

Also, as I said, a "love at first sight" way of looking at this could certainly cause an established relationship and apparent deep feelings for another person to crumble and fade away because whilst there are feelings between these people, this other person, the MC, is someone who they have an inexplicable instant attraction to and it feels greater than what they already have. It's not simply lust or loneliness, but something more cosmic that draws them to him.
 
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Zirael Q

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How did they lie?
By telling MC from the start that they were each already in relationships?
is it because they didn't tell him it was with another girl and or each other, before they all even knew of each other when it was none of MC's business to know?
Maya : I have a boyfriend
*some time later*
Maya : Please be completely honest with me
*some time later*
Maya : I actually don't have a boyfriend.
*some time later*
Maya : Lemme kiss you and do sexual stuff with you because why not? oh and you going back home to date someone makes it awkward, and I didn't like you not telling me about it. You weren't being honest with me.
*some time later*
Josy shows up at the door. (woops I forgot to tell you I'm actually in a relationship)
Sure there's nothing wrong with her. Nothing at all. She also forgets to tell Josy about what they did, but she had her plate full, so all's good.
Josy did nothing wrong, except she forgot to tell Maya she invited MC to her house and ask MC to "stay the night". Having sex is player choice, so not counting the sex there. But even if she and MC didn't, she intended to.
As I said, yeah I see nothing wrong here :HideThePain:
 

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I don't think the characters should be removed from the game, but I do think that it would be nice for us not to be forced to be a part of their stories.
(...)

As the game continues I want to be able to pursue the Love Interest I like and spend less time with the Love Interests I don't want. It increases replayability that way... Maya and Josy want each other and seem happy together, that's fine. The MC should be able to move on and not have to get involved so deeply in their lives. Even as friends the MC spends more time with them than any other friends he has.
Sadly for you, they ARE the story. You are witnessing a story in which you can choose who could be your loving partner, but the game's goal is not setting a relationship with one (or several) LI, but be a part of an overarching story and make that story go/end in a certain way or another.

Note that I agree with you, real world relationships work the way you said, and porn games usually allow you to focus on the girls you're interested in and forget the rest. But that's not the case here. Either we accept it, or we quit the game
 
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Holy Bacchus

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Roll on 3 weeks when we have something else to finally discuss and argue over :p
That's assuming it resolves a lot of these lingering issues, but it probably won't. In this particular case, Maya and Josy still need to have a proper discussion with the MC about their feelings for him, each other, and about what exactly was going on with them. People still get mad because they don't understand them and we need more character exploration so that we can, and until then, if it even happens at all, these arguments will continue to crop up every so often.
 

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That's assuming it resolves a lot of these lingering issues, but it probably won't. In this particular case, Maya and Josy still need to have a proper discussion with the MC about their feelings for him, each other, and about what exactly was going on with them. People still get mad because they don't understand them and we need more character exploration so that we can, and until then, if it even happens at all, these arguments will continue to crop up every so often.
Well, sooner or later the MC will need to decide who will be the "ONE" (or in their case "TWO")... Most likely much later because, as you pointed out, there needs to be a lot more meaningless sex in college before he gets serious.

I keep forgetting that this is the CW version of writing... No one actually talks about anything until it blows up in their faces/endangers everyone.
 
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It's crazy, because I remember when I first played episode 4, I was thinking the exact opposite to people hating on Maya and Josy. I thought MC was completely overreacting (though somewhat understandably at first), but what annoyed me in particular was the agency taken away from the player. You had to fuck around for the entire episode before you could actually resolve the conflict. I get storming out initially, but for the entire episode he avoids them, I'm just thinking "JUST FUCKING TALK TO THEM YOU IDIOT, COMMUNICATE", and it annoyed me the game wouldn't give me the option to approach/talk with them (like ignoring them in class and sitting with Camilla). Like I get they're meant to horny, emotional, stupid young adults, but I find it so annoying when games somewhat arbitrarily take decision making away from you.

For my two cents on this dead horse:

1. Yeah, Maya fucked up by not telling MC about Josy/having a gf, but in her defence, it did seem she was eventually going to tell you before Josy appeared, she is emotionally distraught by due to the rocky status of her relationship, the fact her dad hates her, and she's trying to reconcile her new bisexuality.

2. Josy didn't actually lie to MC, she though she was holding out on specific details. She at the very least told MC she was in a relationship, which was the important part.

Honestly there actions are completely understandable and forgivable. If MC just wants to remain friends, that makes sense too. What I don't understand is how people somehow think this so horrible that they should be instantly and completely cutting them out of MC's life.
 
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I've been playtesting and polishing the game and the PCs are rendering animations.

16 animations remain in the render queue.

The speed right now is ~8 animations per week. A few demanding animations are left in the queue and some easy ones as well.

Based on this, it looks like beta testing will start in late October/early November.

Beta testing is allotted 2 weeks, but if great results are achieved earlier than that, the release date will be earlier too.

November is going to be the month of release, but at what date I can't say accurately yet.

Next Friday, I will post a preliminary changelog for Episode 6.

Have a nice weekend

Dr PinkCake
I kindda hoped for a early november release, but it looks like It will be later on... :( I can wait for months without being impatient about it, but few last weeks are the hardest to bare, at least for me.
 

mindern

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Still, they lied. And not me, but MC also upsets by that (if we select that option). And don't counter me as "MC also hiding about his sexual encounters". As I said, I want to be a hypocrite atleast in adult games.
He also forgives them.

You can’t have it both ways and cherry pick the MC’s opinion from a section of the story to back up yours. Yeah he was annoyed for part of one episode about their lying. But he also entirely forgives them by the end of it.

If the MC being annoyed adds any credence to the idea hating Maya/Josy is anything other than people projecting their opinions and morals onto a character that isn’t them it’s entirely removed again when he forgives them.

We are not the MC. MC is as much a character in this as Maya or Josy.
 

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It's crazy, because I remember when I first played episode 4, I was thinking the exact opposite to people hating on Maya and Josy. I thought MC was completely overreacting (though somewhat understandably at first), but what annoyed me in particular was the agency taken away from the player. You had to fuck around for the entire episode before you could actually resolve the conflict. I get storming out initially, but for the entire episode he avoids them, I'm just thinking "JUST FUCKING TALK TO THEM YOU IDIOT, COMMUNICATE", and it annoyed me the game wouldn't give me the option to approach/talk with them (like ignoring them in class and sitting with Camilla). Like I get they're meant to horny, emotional, stupid young adults, but I find it so annoying when games somewhat arbitrarily take decision making away from you.

For my two cents on this dead horse:

1. Yeah, Maya fucked up by not telling MC about Josy/having a gf, but in her defence, it did seem she was eventually going to tell you before Josy appeared, she is emotionally distraught by due to the rocky status of her relationship, the fact her dad hates her, and she's trying to reconcile her new bisexuality.

2. Josy didn't actually lie to MC, she though she was holding out on specific details. She at the very least told MC she was in a relationship, which was the important part.

Honestly there actions are completely understandable and forgivable. If MC just wants to remain friends, that makes sense too. What I don't understand is how people somehow think this so horrible that they should be instantly and completely cutting them out of MC's life.
For me it's the fact that it has only been such a short amount of time and there has already been so much drama. Yes, I get it an AVN without drama is like a birthday without cake, you need drama for the story to move forward/make people happy.

My whole issue is that I'd like for the MC to have two separate choices: 1) to forgive or not and then 2) to decide what type of relationship he wants to have with them (exclusivity because he admits to having feelings for both of them or just to stay friends or to move on). There is no reason that they can't be in the story after that decision, it would just change the way the MC interacts with them.

And, yes, I get that this is DPC's story. Obviously. Just wish we had more freedom to shape the MC and story more.
 
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Vollezar

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For me it's the fact that it has only been such a short amount of time and there has already been so much drama. Yes, I get it an AVN without drama is like a birthday without cake, you need drama for the story to move forward/make people happy.

My whole issue is that I'd lik for the MC to have two separate choices: 1) to forgive or not and then 2) to decide what type of relationship he wants to have with them (exclusivity because he admits to having feelings for both of them or just to stay friends or to move on). There is no reason that they can't be in the story after that decision, it would just change the way the MC interacts with them.

And, yes, I get that this is DPC's story. Obviously. Just wish we had more freedom to shape the MC and story more.
Same here. Those seem like very important decisions in shaping the character and we are forced to make non choice or a choice to be a test subject for them to see whether they are lesbians or maybe, could be... nah, they are just lesbians who got a bit curious.
 

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For me it's the fact that it has only been such a short amount of time and there has already been so much drama. Yes, I get it an AVN without drama is like a birthday without cake, you need drama for the story to move forward/make people happy.

My whole issue is that I'd like for the MC to have two separate choices: 1) to forgive or not and then 2) to decide what type of relationship he wants to have with them (exclusivity because he admits to having feelings for both of them or just to stay friends or to move on). There is no reason that they can't be in the story after that decision, it would just change the way the MC interacts with them.

And, yes, I get that this is DPC's story. Obviously. Just wish we had more freedom to shape the MC and story more.

that chance skips after MC's suicide speech (which I hate)

from the moment in which the starting point (brought "by the prosecution") becomes that they are all the same, that they are all traitors in the same way the amnesty starts

Mc goes to get explanations and instead gives them

I didn't like the scene, but having gone this way these are the consequences
 

Holy Bacchus

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My whole issue is that I'd like for the MC to have two separate choices: 1) to forgive or not and then 2) to decide what type of relationship he wants to have with them (exclusivity because he admits to having feelings for both of them or just to stay friends or to move on). There is no reason that they can't be in the story after that decision, it would just change the way the MC interacts with them.
This really gets to the heart of the issue for me, which is how the whole thing was resolved. It was a resolution without much sense, where M&J not only forgave each other easily but also literally kissed and made up leaving the MC to feel like the spare prick at a wedding and then, for some arbitrary reason, rejected him if he wanted something before because of a game mechanic even if he did absolutely everything he could with each of them.

I have always maintained, and will likely continue to maintain even after this game is completed, that M&J should not have gotten back together but instead been unsure of where this whole situation leaves them. They could still forgive each other because they both cheated on each other with the same person for the same reasons and so they understand each other, but their relationship should now be uncertain and so the MC could have jumped in to say how he feels and then either propose the 3 of them keep seeing each other, or take some time to all just be friends and figure things out. That would have been more satisfying and made a lot more sense.

And, yes, I get that this is DPC's story. Obviously. Just wish we had more freedom to shape the MC and story more.
I see people say this a lot, and not just about this game, but "freedom" in these games is largely impossible. It's not like we're playing The Sims and we can totally control the life of the MC, there's always a level of linearity to these stories, even choice based ones, because the choices lead to certain pre-set outcomes. The MC and the story have already been designed to be shaped in a certain way by certain actions, so even VNs that feel like they have freedom still don't have total freedom because you're still playing a path that was created by the dev and one that can be followed by everyone so there's no uniqueness to that "freedom".
 
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